Karin Givon on thu 4 aug 11
My brain is old and I am tired, but I hear an echo from the past.....
" To fire a kiln you have to learn to wait. If the kiln's not
doing what you want it to do, you must wait until it does. Somehow it
knows how to fire itself. You have only to wait, and watch, and do
what needs to be done.
Shigaraki potter
You can't push the river, either.
I know, I've tried.
Karin Givon
WJ Seidl on fri 5 aug 11
Karin:
Yes, you _can_ push the river.
But not far...and it always pushes back.
Trust me on this.
"For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction".
Best,
Wayne Seidl
"Nature abhors a vacuum. So do my pets."
On 8/4/2011 7:02 PM, Karin Givon wrote:
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> You can't push the river, either.
>
> I know, I've tried.
>
> Karin Givon
>
Karin Givon on fri 5 aug 11
You DID see the attribution to an "unknown Shigaraki potter" at the
end of that quote,
que no, Steve????? I didn't make it up...it was a quote told to me
and other claymates by
the late Peter von Wilken Zook in Mendocino....at a wood fire which
'appeared' to be stalling. It turned out to be a beautiful fire. What
a lot of work. (not an easy language)
karin
On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Steve Mills wrote:
Karin, the bottom line for us has always been that the Kiln will
always tell you what it wants, you just have to learn the language!
Same message, put a different way.
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 5 Aug 2011, at 00:02, Karin Givon wrote:
> My brain is old and I am tired, but I hear an echo from the past.....
>
> " To fire a kiln you have to learn to wait. If the kiln's not
> doing what you want it to do, you must wait until it does. Somehow it
> knows how to fire itself. You have only to wait, and watch, and do
> what needs to be done.
>
>
> Shigaraki potter
>
>
>
>
>
> You can't push the river, either.
>
> I know, I've tried.
>
> Karin Givon
Lee on fri 5 aug 11
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Karin Givon wrote:
> You can't push the river, either.
>
> I know, I've tried.
You are spot on Karin. For the end, you really need to be sure you
have more wood than you need. You need to have extra help at the
end. For a long firing, having enough people to fire 3 shifts is
ideal.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Steve Mills on fri 5 aug 11
Karin, the bottom line for us has always been that the Kiln will always tel=
l=3D
you what it wants, you just have to learn the language!
Same message, put a different way.=3D20
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 5 Aug 2011, at 00:02, Karin Givon wrote:
> My brain is old and I am tired, but I hear an echo from the past.....
>=3D20
> " To fire a kiln you have to learn to wait. If the kiln's not
> doing what you want it to do, you must wait until it does. Somehow it
> knows how to fire itself. You have only to wait, and watch, and do
> what needs to be done.
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> Shigaraki potter
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> You can't push the river, either.
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> I know, I've tried.
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> Karin Givon
Craig Edwards on fri 5 aug 11
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Karin Givon wrote:
> My brain is old and I am tired, but I hear an echo from the past.....
>
> " To fire a kiln you have to learn to wait. If the kiln's not
> doing what you want it to do, you must wait until it does. Somehow it
> knows how to fire itself. You have only to wait, and watch, and do
> what needs to be done.
>
>
> Shigaraki potter
>
>
>
>
>
> Karin Givon
>
Bravo!! Well put!
--
Make Good Pots
~Craig
New London MN
http://woodfiredpottery.blogspot.com/
Steve Mills on sat 6 aug 11
Dear Karin
I most certainly did see it!=3D20
Along with several other similar "Mantras" (including the one I quoted), i=
t=3D
is trotted out on a regular basis to would-be wood firers of the "I want i=
t=3D
now" variety who cannot (or don't to) understand that there are things in =
l=3D
ife we HAVE to wait for and are WORTH waiting for!
Take care
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 6 Aug 2011, at 07:17, Karin Givon wrote:
> You DID see the attribution to an "unknown Shigaraki potter" at the end o=
f=3D
that quote,
> que no, Steve????? I didn't make it up...it was a quote told to me and ot=
h=3D
er claymates by
> the late Peter von Wilken Zook in Mendocino....at a wood fire which 'appe=
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red' to be stalling. It turned out to be a beautiful fire. What a lot of wo=
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k. (not an easy language)
> karin
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> On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Steve Mills wrote:
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> Karin, the bottom line for us has always been that the Kiln will always t=
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ll you what it wants, you just have to learn the language!
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> Same message, put a different way.
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> Steve M
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> Steve Mills
> Bath
> UK
> www.mudslinger.me.uk
> Sent from my Ipod touch
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> On 5 Aug 2011, at 00:02, Karin Givon wrote:
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>> My brain is old and I am tired, but I hear an echo from the past.....
>>=3D20
>> " To fire a kiln you have to learn to wait. If the kiln's not
>> doing what you want it to do, you must wait until it does. Somehow it
>> knows how to fire itself. You have only to wait, and watch, and do
>> what needs to be done.
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>> Shigaraki potter
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>> You can't push the river, either.
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>> I know, I've tried.
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>> Karin Givon
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Steve Mills on sat 6 aug 11
P.S.=3D20
This last weekend a former student fired a rather difficult Kiln (he design=
e=3D
d) for the third time.=3D20
The preceding firings had been of the 38 hour variety and rather underfired=
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This time we exceeded 48 hours and he was miserably expecting the worst.=3D=
20
We unpacked on Wednesday, and the results were considerably better.=3D20
So two things are going to happen: a partial re-configuration of the inside=
,=3D
and a 56 hour firing.=3D20
THEN we'll party!
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 6 Aug 2011, at 07:17, Karin Givon wrote:
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