Deborah Thuman on tue 30 aug 11
I have an infected cyst on my scalp - which is why I'm making and
wearing hats. This cyst is no big deal, it's going to get removed, and
I can go back to not wearing hats. This cyst is a nuisance, but not a
threat to my health or longevity.
I went to see the surgeon yesterday afternoon. There was a painting on
the wall.... and I strained to see the signature to see if the surgeon
was the painter. Nope. Next, I studied the painting for perspective,
light source, and technique. Mind you, it's been ages since I painted.
What I was hoping for was to see the surgeon's hand-eye coordination,
sense of spacial relations, and attention to detail.
See what happens when we start discussing art requirements for medical
school?
Deb Thuman
http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
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logan johnson on tue 30 aug 11
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ivor and olive lewis on wed 31 aug 11
Deb Thuman comments...
"...See what happens when we start discussing art requirements for medical
school...?
Having joined the ranks of Sixth Form where I was to take Biology we were
expected to draw from live and dead specimens, especially making annotated
diagrams of dissected plant and animal subjects and scaled up sketches of
microscopic preparations (a favourite of mine was the mouth parts of the
Cockroach)
No instruction was necessary. The teacher assumed that we could draw. But w=
e
were taught how to strop an edge on ancient cut throat razors and how to
sharpen a scalpel, essential tools for cutting thin sections and dissecting
worms. Most of my colleagues intended going to Medical, Dental or Veterinar=
y
School.
Regards,
Ivor Lewis,
REDHILL,
South Australia
Edouard Bastarache on wed 31 aug 11
DFE=3DB8=3DB8eb,
show them this to attrack them,,,:
Jean-Jacques is right, you are an artist!!!
Medicine and Ceramics, that would certainly have pleased Robert Moisand
(one of our famous industrial Faience manufacturers I knew well, he passe=
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away less than 10 years ago) to meet with you, he who liked to say that
Medicine and Ceramics were arts where the greatest minds are found.
You, you combine both!!!
Smart.Conseil
Gien
France"
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
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----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: "ivor and olive lewis"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:56 AM
Subject: Art and Medicine
> Deb Thuman comments...
>
> "...See what happens when we start discussing art requirements for medi=
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> school...?
>
>
>
> Having joined the ranks of Sixth Form where I was to take Biology we we=
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> expected to draw from live and dead specimens, especially making annota=
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> diagrams of dissected plant and animal subjects and scaled up sketches =
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> microscopic preparations (a favourite of mine was the mouth parts of th=
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> Cockroach)
>
> No instruction was necessary. The teacher assumed that we could draw. B=
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> we
> were taught how to strop an edge on ancient cut throat razors and how t=
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> sharpen a scalpel, essential tools for cutting thin sections and=3D20
> dissecting
> worms. Most of my colleagues intended going to Medical, Dental or=3D20
> Veterinary
> School.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ivor Lewis,
> REDHILL,
> South Australia
>=3D20
Edouard Bastarache on fri 2 sep 11
Tom,
we belong to the same gang,,,
My brother Albert (painter) has tried for years to
try to teach me to draw/paint, I said no thanks,
my medium is clay. I love our 3 dimension world.
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://edouardbastaracheblogs2.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/edouard.bastarache
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas G. Sawyer, M.D., J.D."
To:
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Art and Medicine
> When I was in a Residency in Oncology, I had a professor who insisted we
> draw a picture of the cancer and to designate whatever lymph nodes were
> involved. One day at a conference, I described a vocal cord cancer that I
> had just seen; he asked me to draw what I had seen on a blackboard. I
> demurred. He then said if you know what you really saw it, you can draw
> it;
> I brought the house down when I answered, "well I for sure know what a
> damn
> cow looks like and I can't draw that either.
>
> I have always had trouble drawing. Interestingly, I can visualize in grea=
t
> detail 3 dimensional pots and sculptural pieces with alacrity. Even after
> I
> make a pot, I can't draw it.
>
> Tom Sawyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of ivor and
> olive
> lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:56 AM
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Art and Medicine
>
> Deb Thuman comments...
>
> "...See what happens when we start discussing art requirements for medica=
l
> school...?
>
>
>
> Having joined the ranks of Sixth Form where I was to take Biology we were
> expected to draw from live and dead specimens, especially making annotate=
d
> diagrams of dissected plant and animal subjects and scaled up sketches of
> microscopic preparations (a favourite of mine was the mouth parts of the
> Cockroach)
>
> No instruction was necessary. The teacher assumed that we could draw. But
> we
> were taught how to strop an edge on ancient cut throat razors and how to
> sharpen a scalpel, essential tools for cutting thin sections and
> dissecting
> worms. Most of my colleagues intended going to Medical, Dental or
> Veterinary
> School.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ivor Lewis,
> REDHILL,
> South Australia
>
MEUNIER LEE on fri 2 sep 11
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Tom, we=3D
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=3DA0 B=3D
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es=3D
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in perspective while=3D0Afreehanding it with the lines.=3DA0 I'm the only =
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Thomas G. Sawyer, M.D., J.D. on fri 2 sep 11
When I was in a Residency in Oncology, I had a professor who insisted we
draw a picture of the cancer and to designate whatever lymph nodes were
involved. One day at a conference, I described a vocal cord cancer that I
had just seen; he asked me to draw what I had seen on a blackboard. I
demurred. He then said if you know what you really saw it, you can draw it;
I brought the house down when I answered, "well I for sure know what a damn
cow looks like and I can't draw that either.
I have always had trouble drawing. Interestingly, I can visualize in great
detail 3 dimensional pots and sculptural pieces with alacrity. Even after I
make a pot, I can't draw it.
Tom Sawyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of ivor and olive
lewis
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:56 AM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Art and Medicine
Deb Thuman comments...
"...See what happens when we start discussing art requirements for medical
school...?
Having joined the ranks of Sixth Form where I was to take Biology we were
expected to draw from live and dead specimens, especially making annotated
diagrams of dissected plant and animal subjects and scaled up sketches of
microscopic preparations (a favourite of mine was the mouth parts of the
Cockroach)
No instruction was necessary. The teacher assumed that we could draw. But w=
e
were taught how to strop an edge on ancient cut throat razors and how to
sharpen a scalpel, essential tools for cutting thin sections and dissecting
worms. Most of my colleagues intended going to Medical, Dental or Veterinar=
y
School.
Regards,
Ivor Lewis,
REDHILL,
South Australia
ivor and olive lewis on sat 3 sep 11
Dear Tom Sawyer,
I conducted a study on an art class of year 10 students. Apparently I was
the only one in the art faculty who had experience in Sculpture and being a
new member got those students remaining after my colleagues in other media
had cherry picked their favourite students.
I soon discovered their greatest deficit was their inability to Draw. So I
tested a hypothesis that people who explored their carving through touch as
well as sight could convert tactile stimuli into visual images. This was
done by them making freehand sketches several times during each lesson and
through demonstrations.
The study was presented to the judges and the school received a $1000 grant
to purchase professional tools from Tiranti of London.
It would be interesting to know why your professor needed a drawing.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis,
REDHILL,
South Australia
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