Fredrick Paget on tue 6 sep 11
Physan 20 a disinfectant, sanitizer, deodorizer, fungicide and
algicide works very well.
Only takes a tiny amount to keep the throwing water clean of that rotten od=
or.
It is widely used as a hospital disinfectant for stuff they can't
autoclave. Orchid growers use it in greenhouses and a very similar
chemical is used to control algie in swimming pools.
I have used it for years. Also it is a lot cheaper than tea tree oil
of which I have some but never tried in throwing water.
Fred
>Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
>keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
>water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
>
>DJ
--
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
DJ Brewer on tue 6 sep 11
Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
DJ
David Woof on wed 7 sep 11
I'm sure tea tree oil=3D2C bleach=3D2C hydrogen peroxide=3D2C....etc is/are=
all g=3D
ood to go=3D2C but one could ask
why our first impulse is to control with chemistry what good hygiene may we=
=3D
ll solve.
Since it is the fermenting accumulation of naturally produced body oils=3D2=
C =3D
hand lotions=3D2C=3D20
dead skin cells and micro crud from soiled hands that contribute most of th=
=3D
e fodder=3D20
for the little stink critters=3D3B the solution is to wash one's hands befo=
re=3D
a throwing session.=3D20
The stink gets really bad when several people share the scraps and throwing=
=3D
slip reclaim.=3D20
Seems that the accumulation of possibly conflicting body chemistry also dri=
=3D
ves the=3D20
potential for problems. On the short side we have stink=3D2C on the far sid=
e=3D
=3D3B Staph infections!!!
Someone mentioned black mold. If it is accompanied by a "Rotten Eggs/Paper=
=3D
Mill" sulfur odor=3D3B
it indicates the presence of hydrogen sulfide gas which among other things =
=3D
can cause skin diseases=3D2C
lung problems=3D2C and one's hair to fall out.=3D20
Look for a dried empty sewer drain trap(spores can enter studio from the se=
=3D
wer)=3D2C a dead mouse=3D2C or=3D20
a rotting used paper towel=3D2C etc in the clay or slop. =3D20
I'm sure tea tree oil=3D2C bleach=3D2C hydrogen peroxide=3D2C....etc is/are=
all g=3D
ood to go=3D2C but one could ask
why our first impulse is to control with chemistry what good hygiene may we=
=3D
ll solve.
David woof
___________________________________________________=3D20
teatree oil in throwing water=3D2C anyone?
Posted by: "DJ Brewer" djbrewer88@COMCAST.NET=3D20
Date: Tue Sep 6=3D2C 2011 4:19 pm ((PDT))
=3D20
Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
=3D20
DJ
=3D
David Hendley on wed 7 sep 11
I like pungent throwing water. To me it's one of those odors that is at
once both off-putting yet inviting on a primal level. Freshly-turned
garden soil and freshly-cut or split oak wood are in the same category for
me.
Plus, I want the bacteria, since I pour the throwing water over dried
clay scraps and trimmings, for recycling, every few days.
David Hendley
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
http://www.thewahooligans.com
----- Original Message -----
> Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
> keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
> water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
>
> DJ
Steve Mills on wed 7 sep 11
Like I said earlier, I throw with slip, and occasionally put a few drops of=
c=3D
oncentrated disinfectant in it when it gets a bit ripe, but I like the idea=
o=3D
f Tea Tree Oil.=3D20
I'll follow that up.=3D20
Thanks
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 6 Sep 2011, at 23:19, DJ Brewer wrote:
> Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
> keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
> water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
>=3D20
> DJ
Dale Neese on wed 7 sep 11
I also don't mind the odor of throwing water and empty it after a couple of
days over trimmings then mix with a mixer. After reclaiming it becomes some
grade A throwing, handle pulling clay despite the "earthy smell".
A student friend of mine does object to the "locker room smell" as he
called it of clay when it's ripe with age. Wanted to know if he could smoke
a cigar while he worked on the wheel.
I occasionally burn some incense in the studio when someone coming in says
"it smells funky in here".
Dale Tex
"across the alley from the Alamo"
Helotes, Texas USA
www.daleneese.com
Steve Mills on wed 7 sep 11
There is hygiene and (to my mind) excessive hygiene.=3D20
I feel that as a result of the latter these days, we have lost sight of the=
(=3D
necessary) build-up of immunity through interaction with good, old-fashione=
d=3D
, all surrounding, encompassing crud!
There is much truth in the old saying: "One should eat a Peck of dirt afore=
y=3D
ou die!".
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 7 Sep 2011, at 10:22, David Woof wrote:
>=3D20
>=3D20
> Seems that the accumulation of possibly conflicting body chemistry also d=
r=3D
ives the=3D20
> potential for problems. On the short side we have stink, on the far side;=
S=3D
taph infections!!!
>=3D20
> Someone mentioned black mold. If it is accompanied by a "Rotten Eggs/Pap=
e=3D
r Mill" sulfur odor;
> it indicates the presence of hydrogen sulfide gas which among other thing=
s=3D
can cause skin diseases,
> lung problems, and one's hair to fall out.=3D20
> Look for a dried empty sewer drain trap(spores can enter studio from the =
s=3D
ewer), a dead mouse, or=3D20
> a rotting used paper towel, etc in the clay or slop. =3D20
>=3D20
> I'm sure tea tree oil, bleach, hydrogen peroxide,....etc is/are all good =
t=3D
o go, but one could ask
> why our first impulse is to control with chemistry what good hygiene may =
w=3D
ell solve.
>=3D20
> David woof
DJ Brewer on wed 7 sep 11
i do wash my hands before throwing, and its only me in my studio. I used
to use clorox, but I hated the smell and even a small amount chapped my
hands. I change the water often, but since I usually have windows wide
open and live in the south, I don't want my water to become a mosquito
breeding ground if I don't change it for a couple of days. With teatree
oil, the mosquitos stay away! But the REAL reason I use it is tht I
just like scents. I even have some White Diamonds in my pottery studio
that I spritz just to smell it!
DJ
On 9/7/2011 4:22 AM, David Woof wrote:
> I'm sure tea tree oil, bleach, hydrogen peroxide,....etc is/are all good =
to go, but one could ask
> why our first impulse is to control with chemistry what good hygiene may =
well solve.
>
> Since it is the fermenting accumulation of naturally produced body oils, =
hand lotions,
> dead skin cells and micro crud from soiled hands that contribute most of =
the fodder
> for the little stink critters; the solution is to wash one's hands before=
a throwing session.
>
> The stink gets really bad when several people share the scraps and throwi=
ng slip reclaim.
> Seems that the accumulation of possibly conflicting body chemistry also d=
rives the
> potential for problems. On the short side we have stink, on the far side;=
Staph infections!!!
>
> Someone mentioned black mold. If it is accompanied by a "Rotten Eggs/Pap=
er Mill" sulfur odor;
> it indicates the presence of hydrogen sulfide gas which among other thing=
s can cause skin diseases,
> lung problems, and one's hair to fall out.
> Look for a dried empty sewer drain trap(spores can enter studio from the =
sewer), a dead mouse, or
> a rotting used paper towel, etc in the clay or slop.
>
> I'm sure tea tree oil, bleach, hydrogen peroxide,....etc is/are all good =
to go, but one could ask
> why our first impulse is to control with chemistry what good hygiene may =
well solve.
>
> David woof
> ___________________________________________________
>
> teatree oil in throwing water, anyone?
> Posted by: "DJ Brewer" djbrewer88@COMCAST.NET
> Date: Tue Sep 6, 2011 4:19 pm ((PDT))
>
> Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
> keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
> water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
>
> DJ
>
>
>
>
>
DJ Brewer on wed 7 sep 11
i only use about 10 drops of teatree oil to 2.5 gallons of water. I use
Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap to wash my hands. I like things that smell
good to me.
DJ
On 9/6/2011 9:27 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
> Physan 20 a disinfectant, sanitizer, deodorizer, fungicide and
> algicide works very well.
> Only takes a tiny amount to keep the throwing water clean of that
> rotten odor.
> It is widely used as a hospital disinfectant for stuff they can't
> autoclave. Orchid growers use it in greenhouses and a very similar
> chemical is used to control algie in swimming pools.
>
> I have used it for years. Also it is a lot cheaper than tea tree oil
> of which I have some but never tried in throwing water.
>
> Fred
>
>
>> Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
>> keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
>> water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
>>
>> DJ
>
>
> --
> Twin Dragon Studio
> Mill Valley, CA, USA
>
pdp1 on wed 7 sep 11
Hi DJ,
Wow, "Dr. Bonners"...that is a good one for so many things, and it does
smell so nice too!
Somehow I had forgotten about that one, so it is nice to be reminded of it.
It was very popular in the 1960s...seemed like everyone was using it to
Brush their Teeth, Wash their Hair, on and on.
Chlorine Dioxide ( aka 'Oxine' ) is a very good one, for all sorts of
disinfectant applications...'Thousand and One uses', even if not much for
smell one way or the other.
Better than and more fun than 'Chlorox' in my opinion.
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Brewer"
>i only use about 10 drops of teatree oil to 2.5 gallons of water. I use
> Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap to wash my hands. I like things that smell
> good to me.
>
> DJ
>
> On 9/6/2011 9:27 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
>> Physan 20 a disinfectant, sanitizer, deodorizer, fungicide and
>> algicide works very well.
>> Only takes a tiny amount to keep the throwing water clean of that
>> rotten odor.
>> It is widely used as a hospital disinfectant for stuff they can't
>> autoclave. Orchid growers use it in greenhouses and a very similar
>> chemical is used to control algie in swimming pools.
>>
>> I have used it for years. Also it is a lot cheaper than tea tree oil
>> of which I have some but never tried in throwing water.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>> Am I the only person that puts teatree oil in my water for throwing to
>>> keep it fresher longer? Does anyone else add anything to their throwing
>>> water to make it smell more pleasant or stay bacteria free longer?
>>>
>>> DJ
>>
>>
>> --
>> Twin Dragon Studio
>> Mill Valley, CA, USA
>>
David Woof on thu 8 sep 11
Hi Bonnie=3D2C
i think your question to me was meant as rhetorical and i agree with the an=
=3D
swer you supplied=3D20
regarding airborne natural mold spores=3D3B except that if one has nothing =
of=3D
significant=3D20
organic contaminants in the clay to rot and stink the stink molds will not =
=3D
find a=3D20
supportive habitate and the good yeasts and molds will prevail. =3D20
((Regarding the bagged moldy clay from the supplier: one must not think too=
=3D
long and hard=3D20
about what those under paid=3D2C bored=3D2C young punks do to the clay betw=
een =3D
the pug and shipping pallet.=3D20
Could be just mold spores as you say=3D2C but what are the spores feeding o=
n?=3D
))
Like David H. and others who indicated so=3D2C I also do not have stinky cl=
ay=3D
and enjoy a
clean humus earthy odor of healthy clay.=3D20
I have a nose that loves and seeks the great variety and=3D20
sensuality of naturally occouring healthy odors. But....I am not into st=
=3D
ink!!!
Regarding ancient methods of inducing plasticity and blessing the clay=3D20
with the piss if virgin boys and dead animals=3D3B time for the decay=3D2C
break down=3D2C and rebuilding of other new chemical compounds would also b=
e =3D
on your side
if all the beer=3D2C coffee grounds and unmentionable other things old hipp=
ie=3D
types=3D20
have put in their clay had time to sit and stink away somewhere safe=3D20
like a cave or pit in the mountains until the odor of cleansed earth=3D20
manifested again.
As far as disinfectants: I still maintain that if something stinks=3D2C don=
't=3D
mask or cover it=3D2C
seek and fix the source of the problem. I avoid putting things in my physi=
=3D
cal body as well=3D20
as my clay body that will kill the protective flora and fauna of natural=3D=
20
organisms that protect me=3D2C and give the aging clay it's natural plastic=
it=3D
y in an effort=3D20
to kill a couple of stink "Bugs" and thus compromise the desirable and prot=
=3D
ective ecology.
Good Read: "The Healing Clay" a small book by Michael Abehsera.=3D20
I read it something like 30 years ago. I just checked=3D3B they have it on =
Am=3D
azon=3D2C though out of print.
Newer publications listed as well.
Be well=3D2C
David Woof
I previously wrote in part:
<=3D
=3D2C hand lotions=3D2C=3D20
dead skin cells and micro crud from soiled hands that contribute most of th=
=3D
e fodder=3D20
for the little stink critters=3D3B the solution is to wash one's hands befo=
re=3D
a throwing session.=3D20
=3D20
The stink gets really bad when several people share the scraps and throwing=
=3D
slip reclaim.=3D20
Seems that the accumulation of possibly conflicting body chemistry also dri=
=3D
ves the=3D20
potential for problems. On the short side we have stink=3D2C on the far sid=
e=3D
=3D3B Staph infections!!!>>=3D20
9a. Re: teatree oil in throwing water=3D2C anyone?
Posted by: "Bonnie Staffel" bstaffel@CHARTERMI.NET=3D20
Date: Thu Sep 8=3D2C 2011 12:37 pm ((PDT))
=3D20
So David=3D2C where does the mold come from in packages of new clay from th=
e
distributor? One thing I learned when I was making Dandelion Wine was that
there is free yeast in the air and the wine needs to be safe from those
spores. There are also bits of organic matter naturally occurring in clay
which in turn rots under warm closed conditions. Even paper clay is about
the worst stinkeroo. Rotting in nature is part of the regeneration of the
earth. True that even our skin sloughs off which probably adds to the mix i=
=3D
n
the throwing water. Even with the washing of the hands=3D2C how can one sto=
p
that action? Seems to me that if one provides a disinfectant in the throwin=
=3D
g
water=3D2C it will inhibit the growth of mold for a while=3D2C at least. Ma=
ybe =3D
I
have been lucky=3D2C but in over 60 years of throwing without washing my ha=
nd=3D
s
first=3D2C my experience with infection was minimal. Still can't get over t=
he
occurrence of one of my pottery students whose warts disappeared after
taking up throwing. It was suggested that we market my clay as a wart
remover=3D20
What about the old stories of how the Japanese used to prepare clay for
their grandchildren when they grew up=3D2C by throwing dead animals=3D2C et=
c.=3D
=3D2C into
the clay pit to age it? Old clay throws better=3D2C pulls handles better al=
l
because of the decay of the organic matter in it.=3D20
=3D20
Just my opinion=3D20
Bonnie
=3D20
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
=3D20
=3D
Bonnie Staffel on thu 8 sep 11
So David, where does the mold come from in packages of new clay from the
distributor? One thing I learned when I was making Dandelion Wine was =3D
that
there is free yeast in the air and the wine needs to be safe from those
spores. There are also bits of organic matter naturally occurring in =3D
clay
which in turn rots under warm closed conditions. Even paper clay is =3D
about
the worst stinkeroo. Rotting in nature is part of the regeneration of =3D
the
earth. True that even our skin sloughs off which probably adds to the =3D
mix in
the throwing water. Even with the washing of the hands, how can one stop
that action? Seems to me that if one provides a disinfectant in the =3D
throwing
water, it will inhibit the growth of mold for a while, at least. Maybe I
have been lucky, but in over 60 years of throwing without washing my =3D
hands
first, my experience with infection was minimal. Still can't get over =3D
the
occurrence of one of my pottery students whose warts disappeared after
taking up throwing. It was suggested that we market my clay as a wart
remover=3D20
=3D20
What about the old stories of how the Japanese used to prepare clay for
their grandchildren when they grew up, by throwing dead animals, etc., =3D
into
the clay pit to age it? Old clay throws better, pulls handles better all
because of the decay of the organic matter in it.=3D20
=3D20
Just my opinion
=3D20
Bonnie
=3D20
=3D20
=3D20
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
=3D20
Mike on thu 8 sep 11
DJ, thanks for the tea tree oil tip on keeping down mosquitoes in the
throwing water. Here in rainy Kyushu, that is a bigger problem than
stinky water for me. I'm going to give it a try...
Mike
Mike
in Taku, Japan
http://karatsupots.com
http://karatsupots.blogspot.com
Workshop in Taku 2012: The Simple Teabowl, May 12 - 18
http://karatsupots.com/workshop2012/2012home.html
http://workshopintaku2012.blogspot.com/
(2011/09/08 0:11), DJ Brewer wrote:
> i do wash my hands before throwing, and its only me in my studio. I used
> to use clorox, but I hated the smell and even a small amount chapped my
> hands. I change the water often, but since I usually have windows wide
> open and live in the south, I don't want my water to become a mosquito
> breeding ground if I don't change it for a couple of days. With teatree
> oil, the mosquitos stay away! But the REAL reason I use it is tht I
> just like scents. I even have some White Diamonds in my pottery studio
> that I spritz just to smell it!
>
> DJ
>
>>
>>
>>
>
Lee on sat 10 sep 11
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Bonnie Staffel wro=
=3D
te:
> What about the old stories of how the Japanese used to prepare clay for
> their grandchildren when they grew up, by throwing dead animals, etc., in=
=3D
to
I never heard of these stories. Because Japanese clays are natural,
out of the ground, and not made of powdered, refined clays, there are
organics already in them.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
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