pdp1 on thu 8 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
Hi Steve,
Yes, but, this is 'CLAYART' where we are supposed to be discssing =3D
Pottery or Ceramics, or all three..!=3D20
Or discussing 'Clay' in any of it's phases or conditions, weals or woes. =
=3D
or discussing Leaching Glazes or Kilns, or Gas, or 'Spoooze', or =3D
'Schools' and how they can never get paid enough to ever do better than =3D
they are, while always needing more money to continue to do it worse, =3D
regardless, etc...
Or discussing 'Art', especially in ways which emphacise how it eludes =3D
all definition now, or has become the intellectual monopoly ( like =3D
'schools', 'government', and so much else! ) of pharasees and sophists =3D
now, that they may ( and what else have they ever done? ) loot the =3D
'systems' which are managed in order to fleece a credulous public? - or =3D
are especially annoying for it lately, even more than usual...at least =3D
top those who are amenible to being annoyed by them...
But anyway...
Top-Break wise, it so happens I just got one which shall be on it's way =3D
to me soon, in .44 WCF.
I think .44 WCF would be a pretty good bad-Mug-stopper...( try saying =3D
that - "bad-Mug-Stopper' - five times in a row really fast... )=3D20
I could do a 'Range Report' based on a Pottery theme I =3D
s'pose...chipped-n-cracked or still pristine walmart type 'Hang in =3D
there!' or 'Have a nice Day!' or "I-Heart-Whatever' Mugs at 20 Paces, =3D
for example...
( I always wanted a 'Halve-a-nice-Day' Mug, but have never seen one. )=3D20
I think every Potter on our Forum who has and enjoys Firearms, really =3D
should elect a favorite, and, do a little 'Range Report', showing it's =3D
effectiveness upon bad commercial 'pots/mugs/ceramics' at 20 Paces.
I will do so soon, in fact.
That would be fun.
Lol...
Love,
Phil
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----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Steve Dalton=3D20
I'm enjoying the antique revolvers, especially the top breaks.
Steve Dalton
Clear Creek Pottery
Snohomish, WA
--- On Thu, 9/8/11, pdp1 wrote:
From: pdp1
Subject: Online up-coming Auction Catalogue showing Antique =3D
American Pottery - many curious forms
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Thursday, September 8, 2011, 8:17 AM
http://www.rockislandauction.com/search/aid/53
Pretty interesting Pottery items.
Those 'Snake Jugs' must have been tedious to make!
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/53/lid/3526
Phil
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=3D20
Steve Dalton on thu 8 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
I'm enjoying the antique revolvers, especially the top breaks.
Steve Dalton
Clear Creek Pottery
Snohomish, WA
--- On Thu, 9/8/11, pdp1 wrote:
From: pdp1
Subject: Online up-coming Auction Catalogue showing Antique American Potter=
y - many curious forms
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Thursday, September 8, 2011, 8:17 AM
http://www.rockislandauction.com/search/aid/53
Pretty interesting Pottery items.
Those 'Snake Jugs' must have been tedious to make!
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/53/lid/3526
Phil
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James Freeman on fri 9 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:01 PM, pdp1 wrote:
I have been thinking that some Bagged Cllay - well wedged, or not - may als=
o
be useful as a 'poor mans' Ballistic Gelatin for determining Bullet shape
deformaitons, yaw, and penetration characteristice ( at least in a
homogeneous medium of this consistency, anyway...but one would wish to have
some way to measure the resistence from one Bag of Clay to another I
s'pose...)
There was a Hungarian artist many years back, a former cop as I recall, who
shot pugs of wet clay, then called them sculptures. Some of them were
pretty cool. Can't remember where I saw them. There was another guy who
blasted huge piles of hardened clay with a pressure washer to make
sculptures. They weren't nearly as cool, but it sounded like a lot of fun.
So many great techniques, so little time!
Take care.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I should
not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
pdp1 on fri 9 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
I have been thinking that some Bagged Cllay - well wedged, or not - may =3D
also be useful as a 'poor mans' Ballistic Gelatin for determining Bullet =
=3D
shape deformaitons, yaw, and penetration characteristice ( at least in a =
=3D
homogeneous medium of this consistency, anyway...but one would wish to =3D
have some way to measure the resistence from one Bag of Clay to another =3D
I s'pose...)
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: James Freeman=3D20
To: pdp1 ; clayart post=3D20
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Online up-coming Auction Catalogue showing Antique =3D
American Pottery - many curious forms
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:06 PM, pdp1 wrote:
I think .44 WCF would be a pretty good bad-Mug-stopper...( try saying =3D
that - "bad-Mug-Stopper' - five times in a row really fast... )
I could do a 'Range Report' based on a Pottery theme I =3D
s'pose...chipped-n-cracked or still pristine walmart type 'Hang in =3D
there!' or 'Have a nice Day!' or "I-Heart-Whatever' Mugs at 20 Paces, =3D
for example...
( I always wanted a 'Halve-a-nice-Day' Mug, but have never seen one. )
I think every Potter on our Forum who has and enjoys Firearms, really =3D
should elect a favorite, and, do a little 'Range Report', showing it's =3D
effectiveness upon bad commercial 'pots/mugs/ceramics' at 20 Paces.
I will do so soon, in fact.
That would be fun.
Dude, that is an incredible idea! Film it, and I know of a country =3D
that might give you a $20,000 art grant!
For several years now, I have been nurturing the idea of throwing some =
=3D
mostly closed forms, bringing them to soft leather hard, filling them =3D
with water, then giving them a pop or two with one of my Sigs, allowing =3D
the hydrostatic shock to "alter" the form. (Got the idea from a friend =
=3D
who was a forward observer in 'nam, Green Beret, and told me what =3D
happens when a .223 round hits... never mind) Anyhow, bisqued, glazed, =
=3D
and fired, I think they would make a splendid artistic statement, and =3D
probably look pretty cool too. Never got around to it, for some reason. =
=3D
Doing a wood fire with the students at a university in Indiana next =3D
month. Might just have to try to make a few Sig pots and slip them in =3D
the kiln, as I can't think of anything better than a fire-fired, fired =3D
pot! I'll report back. Don't anyone steal my idea in the mean time!
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I =3D
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
KATHI LESUEUR on fri 9 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
Now, now. It wasn't too long ago that we were discussing the topic of =3D
"tomatoes". Varieties, planting, etc. No one objected. But, I did =3D
suggest at the time that when the next non-clay topic came up and was =3D
objected to that we all remember the tomatoes. So, I say, on with the =3D
auction catalgoe.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:06 PM, pdp1 wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> Yes, but, this is 'CLAYART' where we are supposed to be discssing =3D
Pottery or Ceramics, or all three..!=3D20
>=3D20
> Or discussing 'Clay' in any of it's phases or conditions, weals or =3D
woes. or discussing Leaching Glazes or Kilns, or Gas, or 'Spoooze', or =3D
'Schools' and how they can never get paid enough to ever do better than =3D
they are, while always needing more money to continue to do it worse, =3D
regardless, etc...
>=3D20
James Freeman on fri 9 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:06 PM, pdp1 wrote:
I think .44 WCF would be a pretty good bad-Mug-stopper...( try saying that =
-
"bad-Mug-Stopper' - five times in a row really fast... )
I could do a 'Range Report' based on a Pottery theme I
s'pose...chipped-n-cracked or still pristine walmart type 'Hang in there!'
or 'Have a nice Day!' or "I-Heart-Whatever' Mugs at 20 Paces, for
example...
( I always wanted a 'Halve-a-nice-Day' Mug, but have never seen one. )
I think every Potter on our Forum who has and enjoys Firearms, really shoul=
d
elect a favorite, and, do a little 'Range Report', showing it's
effectiveness upon bad commercial 'pots/mugs/ceramics' at 20 Paces.
I will do so soon, in fact.
That would be fun.
Dude, that is an incredible idea! Film it, and I know of a country that
might give you a $20,000 art grant!
For several years now, I have been nurturing the idea of throwing some
mostly closed forms, bringing them to soft leather hard, filling them with
water, then giving them a pop or two with one of my Sigs, allowing the
hydrostatic shock to "alter" the form. (Got the idea from a friend who wa=
s
a forward observer in 'nam, Green Beret, and told me what happens when a
.223 round hits... never mind) Anyhow, bisqued, glazed, and fired, I thin=
k
they would make a splendid artistic statement, and probably look pretty coo=
l
too. Never got around to it, for some reason. Doing a wood fire with the
students at a university in Indiana next month. Might just have to try to
make a few Sig pots and slip them in the kiln, as I can't think of anything
better than a fire-fired, fired pot! I'll report back. Don't anyone steal
my idea in the mean time!
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I should
not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
pdp1 on fri 9 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
Hi Kathi, all.
Oh, forgive me if it sounded as if I were objecting...I was not objecting,
but only being my usual playful self.
I would be entirely delighted to discuss 'Top Breaks' or any other form of
small Arm...especially if it is 'old'.
I LOVE Tomatoes, too, especially good, home grown ones!
Yummmmmmmm...
One of my favorite Sandwiches, used to be the Orowheat Brand 'Raisen Nut
Bread', thinly sliced Swiss Cheese, fresh Garden Tomatoes, Miricle Whip or
Mayonaise, and, some fresh ground Black Pepper...( with a side dish of fres=
h
ripe Figs ) served 'chilled'...
Such a nice Summer Sandwich...
Love,
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "KATHI LESUEUR"
Now, now. It wasn't too long ago that we were discussing the topic of
"tomatoes". Varieties, planting, etc. No one objected. But, I did suggest a=
t
the time that when the next non-clay topic came up and was objected to that
we all remember the tomatoes. So, I say, on with the auction catalgoe.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:06 PM, pdp1 wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
>
>
> Yes, but, this is 'CLAYART' where we are supposed to be discssing Pottery
> or Ceramics, or all three..!
>
> Or discussing 'Clay' in any of it's phases or conditions, weals or woes.
> or discussing Leaching Glazes or Kilns, or Gas, or 'Spoooze', or 'Schools=
'
> and how they can never get paid enough to ever do better than they are,
> while always needing more money to continue to do it worse, regardless,
> etc...
>
pdp1 on sat 10 sep 11
ttery - many curious forms
Hi James, all...
Indeed, still soft and wet, just-Thrown Pots, or dried just-a-little Pots,
should yield interesting
results if Shot.
Probably, for any Clay Body there will be an optimum consistency and or wal=
l
thickness also, for giving the greatest drama or effect and
texture/patterning-deficit at
the points of entry and exit.
Also, Cartridges loaded to provide specific and varied Velocities for the
Bullet, or even differently shaped Bullet fronts, would of course give
differing results, with some no doubt being optimum for making the most
interesting
results...and, this would have to be arrived at by experiment.
These features then, would also offer nice opportunities for one's favorite
'breaking'
Glazes to have fun with.
Damp Clay Vessels filled with Water, might of course burst from the relativ=
e
incompressability of the Water, and, depending on the Bullet Velocity and
shape, this also could be experimented with to acheive optimal results for
being visually appealing ( verses splattered chunks being picked up ouf ot
he Lawn, Lol...)
If I could be Throwing presently, I would try these things!
But, since I am not, it of course is to you or others to try..!
Otherwise, for me, about all I could do presently ( or soon ) is to
experiment with Bagged Clay as a substitute for Ballistic's Gelatin, and,
goof around with that a little bit.
But of course the Clay would not be transparent like the Gelatin is, which
would make it harder to actually see the results unless one wire it in two
and do so along the channel way.
I used to do some naive tests using a 2 foot lengths of 6 x 12 Architechura=
l
'Glue Lam' Beam, standing on end, larger section being of course what was
facing me, into which I would fire various old
Revolvers or Automatics, and, keeping my shots about 4 Inches from the
bottom, me laying on the Floor, firing a shot parallel to the Floor, and, I
would then measure how far back a given shot had caused the Beam
section to move on always the same, level, 'Melamine' surface...and also ho=
w
far in a given Bullet had travelled.
If memory serve, my little 1880s Webley 'Bull Dog' ( about the size of a
present day S&W
Chief's Special or Colt Detective Special, ) chambering the delightfully
stubby .450 Adams Cartridge
seemed about on par with the results of an S & W Chief's Special or other
.38 Special Snub Nose, ( when
using Standard traditional off the shelf .38 Special Loadings ) and were no=
t
too much more of an
energy delivery than what the .41 Rimfire did when out of an 1880s Remingto=
n
Over-&-Under Derringer. Although the original Loadings for the two old ones
were more powerful than those Cartridges made for them to-day, and I was
using present-day Ammunition ( well, this was in the late 1980s, but,
nothing has changed since then far as now-a-days Ammunitiopn for those two
are concerned ).
The Model 1900 'Sporting' version, of the Colt .38 Automatic, put the
Standard 'SAAMI' off the shelf Loading Bullet
right through the Beam, and, it deflected off of the big 12 Inch Jointer's
Cast Iron base, and ended up who knows where here in the Shop...and, the
Beam section fell over....but that was an FMJ ( or 'Copper Patch' as they
used to be called, ) Bullet, which likely helped it
to get through without mushrooming and stopping in the Beam.
Originally, that Cartridge was about 15 percent peppier.
Anyway...
Fun..!
And always fun to combine disciplines, when one may, also.
Love,
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Freeman"
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:06 PM, pdp1 wrote:
> I think .44 WCF would be a pretty good bad-Mug-stopper...( try saying
> that -
> "bad-Mug-Stopper' - five times in a row really fast... )
>
> I could do a 'Range Report' based on a Pottery theme I
> s'pose...chipped-n-cracked or still pristine walmart type 'Hang in there!=
'
> or 'Have a nice Day!' or "I-Heart-Whatever' Mugs at 20 Paces, for
> example...
>
> ( I always wanted a 'Halve-a-nice-Day' Mug, but have never seen one. )
>
> I think every Potter on our Forum who has and enjoys Firearms, really
> should
> elect a favorite, and, do a little 'Range Report', showing it's
> effectiveness upon bad commercial 'pots/mugs/ceramics' at 20 Paces.
>
> I will do so soon, in fact.
>
> That would be fun.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dude, that is an incredible idea! Film it, and I know of a country that
> might give you a $20,000 art grant!
>
> For several years now, I have been nurturing the idea of throwing some
> mostly closed forms, bringing them to soft leather hard, filling them wit=
h
> water, then giving them a pop or two with one of my Sigs, allowing the
> hydrostatic shock to "alter" the form. (Got the idea from a friend who
> was
> a forward observer in 'nam, Green Beret, and told me what happens when a
> .223 round hits... never mind) Anyhow, bisqued, glazed, and fired, I
> think
> they would make a splendid artistic statement, and probably look pretty
> cool
> too. Never got around to it, for some reason. Doing a wood fire with th=
e
> students at a university in Indiana next month. Might just have to try t=
o
> make a few Sig pots and slip them in the kiln, as I can't think of
> anything
> better than a fire-fired, fired pot! I'll report back. Don't anyone
> steal
> my idea in the mean time!
>
> All the best.
>
> ...James
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