Earl Krueger on sun 2 oct 11
We all need it.
Some have full plumbing.
Mel says he uses buckets.
I currently use buckets but find it inconvenient.
In my new studio next month I'll go back to my old system.
Plastic laundry tub from home improvement store $15
Yard sale hot water tank or rain barrel $5
Pump for outdoor water feature $35
Plastic tubing and fittings $10
Electrical pushbutton switch and box $10
5 gallon pail free
Existing garden hose free
-------
Total $7=
5
Air ^ Fill->||
|| ||
------------------ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
| || || | / \
| | / |
| | / ------------
| Tank | / | Sink |
| | -------- / |----------|
| | | | / | || |
| =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| Pump |=3D/ | ------ |
| | | | | |Bkt | |
| | -------- | | | |
------------------- | |----| |
Set water heater or rain barrel next to laundry sink.
Connect pump to drain outlet of tank with plastic tubing.
Run plastic tubing from outlet of pump to above sink.
Hold tubing above sink so that you can wiggle tube around.
Put bucket under sink.
Use scraps of wood to hold pushbutton switch to sink to use as foot switch.
Connect pump to foot switch.
Plug foot switch into wall outlet - GFCI outlet only please.
Fill tank with water using garden hose.
To use:
walk up to sink with dirty hands,
hold hands above sink under tubing,
step on foot switch,
wash crud off of hands,
release foot switch,
go get hands dirty again.
Periodically empty bucket (suggest before it's brim full).
Less periodically fill tank with water using hose.
earl...
oregon, usa
Philip Poburka on mon 3 oct 11
You could use Gravity feed, and a Spigot...and it'd be a lot simpler.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Krueger"
> We all need it.
>
> Some have full plumbing.
> Mel says he uses buckets.
> I currently use buckets but find it inconvenient.
>
> In my new studio next month I'll go back to my old system.
>
> Plastic laundry tub from home improvement store $15
> Yard sale hot water tank or rain barrel $5
> Pump for outdoor water feature $35
> Plastic tubing and fittings $10
> Electrical pushbutton switch and box $10
> 5 gallon pail
> free
> Existing garden hose free
>
> -------
> Total
> $75
>
>
>
> Air ^ Fill->||
> || ||
> ------------------ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> | || || | / \
> | | / |
> | | / ------------
> | Tank | / | Sink |
> | | -------- / |----------|
> | | | | / | || |
> | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| Pump |=3D/ | ------ |
> | | | | | |Bkt | |
> | | -------- | | | |
> ------------------- | |----| |
>
> Set water heater or rain barrel next to laundry sink.
> Connect pump to drain outlet of tank with plastic tubing.
> Run plastic tubing from outlet of pump to above sink.
> Hold tubing above sink so that you can wiggle tube around.
> Put bucket under sink.
> Use scraps of wood to hold pushbutton switch to sink to use as foot
> switch.
> Connect pump to foot switch.
> Plug foot switch into wall outlet - GFCI outlet only please.
> Fill tank with water using garden hose.
>
> To use:
> walk up to sink with dirty hands,
> hold hands above sink under tubing,
> step on foot switch,
> wash crud off of hands,
> release foot switch,
> go get hands dirty again.
>
> Periodically empty bucket (suggest before it's brim full).
> Less periodically fill tank with water using hose.
>
>
> earl...
> oregon, usa
Richard Aerni on mon 3 oct 11
Tony,
You gotta have some of it...I've worked in my early years in studios =3D
without it, and ended up with myriad buckets full of slops, decanting, =3D
standing everywhere. When I was on septic, I buried a 55 gallon drum in =
=3D
the ground 2/3 filled with gravel and with holes punched in the upper =3D
1/4...sort of a large glorified Gleico trap, so that I could put my gray =
=3D
water into the ground safely. I imagine since you are in the city now, =3D
that you could rig up a 5 gallon tub under a utility sink in the same =3D
manner, or do an above ground tub outside in your garden, for use in the =
=3D
warmer months. =3D20
But I can't imagine a working potter going without running water of some =
=3D
kind...
Best,
Richard Aerni
Rochester, NY
Linda on mon 3 oct 11
In the summer I use a laundry sink just outside the door hooked up to a hos=
e=3D
. In the winter I have my old kitchen sink, base cabinet attached with a ho=
m=3D
emade recirculating system. A big plastic drum with a filter bag and a foot=
a=3D
ctivated pump. Would love a cink, but that's a lot of pots
Linda Stauffer
Kt4ever@mac.com
www.lindastauffer.com
www.katiestauffer.org/Katie.HTML
"We should love people and use things, not love things and use people." Kat=
i=3D
e Stauffer 1983-2003
On Oct 3, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Richard Aerni wrote:
> Tony,
> You gotta have some of it...I've worked in my early years in studios with=
o=3D
ut it, and ended up with myriad buckets full of slops, decanting, standing =
e=3D
verywhere. When I was on septic, I buried a 55 gallon drum in the ground 2=
/=3D
3 filled with gravel and with holes punched in the upper 1/4...sort of a la=
r=3D
ge glorified Gleico trap, so that I could put my gray water into the ground=
s=3D
afely. I imagine since you are in the city now, that you could rig up a 5 =
g=3D
allon tub under a utility sink in the same manner, or do an above ground tu=
b=3D
outside in your garden, for use in the warmer months. =3D20
> But I can't imagine a working potter going without running water of some =
k=3D
ind...
> Best,
> Richard Aerni
> Rochester, NY
Stephani Stephenson on mon 3 oct 11
I like your scheme Earl.
i have never had 100% plumbed in water. in my basement studio in Montana=
=3D
i
used buckets, but has a laundry faucet in the basement. it didn't bother =
=3D
me
then, but then again ,I was making one of a kind sculpture, so not doing
much volume and wasn't pugging or anything.
Right now I run a hose from an outdoor connection in along the wall of t=
=3D
he
studio. i bought a used double stainless steel sink and mounted it onto =
=3D
a
cart I made. cart with 4X4 uprights and 2X4 laterals and put some plywoo=
=3D
d
for a bottom 'floor' and mounted the whole thing on heavy duty locking
casters so i could move it if I wanted to. i have a 1 gallon tub in the s=
=3D
ink
to act as a primary settling.catch pan. easy to lift ,easy to recycle an=
=3D
y
sludge or water. in the other sink i have sort of a removeable stand pip=
=3D
e
that does the same thihng. right now the cart holds 2 , 5 gallon buckets=
=3D
underneath. i put spa drain tubing from the drain to each bucket and cov=
=3D
er
the bucket with a lid with a hole in it. right now i just recycle that wa=
=3D
ter
or dump it onto the newly planted trees outside the studio.=3D20
my plan is to run a line directly outside , either to another tank or
directly to some desert willow trees that will be on the south side of t=
=3D
he
shop. i like the idea of sinking a tank with gravel but i really don't li=
=3D
ke
the idea of digging one more big hole plus , I am saving my 'hiring' mo=
=3D
ney
for other stuff. :)
i hadn't thought of putting a pump into the operation, but that could
definitely figure into a rainwater catchment system for the south side of=
=3D
the shop.
plus, i hope to replace the hose with pipe sometime in the next couple of=
=3D
years!
now that i know where i want the sink to be, i will probably switch out =
=3D
the
plastic tubs for a galvanized oblong farm tub, a small one inside and may=
=3D
be
a medium one direc
in the past i used a bigger plastic tub under a plastic laundry sink and=
=3D
put a fitting and screen into the side of the tub so clear water would=3D=
20=3D
drain out through that into a 30 ft long cement trench (already there),
with another screen at the end of that. about every 4 months I would cle=
=3D
an
out the tub , dry the slop and dispose of it . every 6 months for the
trench, which didn't collect very much.
Stephani Stephenson
http://revivaltileworks.com
Snail Scott on mon 3 oct 11
On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Earl Krueger wrote:
> In my new studio next month I'll go back to my old system...
I also have no running water to my studio, and I use a
similar system for washing, etc. My wash-up needs are
less than those of people who throw often, but having
a sink is handy.
My studio has a full set of kitchen cabinets obtained for
free, and they include a countertop with a kitchen sink.
I tried keeping a water bucket in an upper cabinet above
the sink, but the weight and moisture did a number on
the particleboard. I started the current system when the
feed store nearby had a sale on heated water buckets.
I keep the bucket under the sink with a fountain pump
in it, and I plumbed the pump to the faucet. (I had to
replace the classy single-control faucet with a used
two-knob type, as the center-control types require more
pressure to operate than my pump could provide.) Then,
when those push-button foot switches for Christmas trees
went on sale in January, I connected one to the pump.
Now, I have a foot-operated faucet. (I leave the tap in the
'on' position. I only connected one tap, and capped off the
other.) The drain runs into a bucket under the sink, right
next to the water bucket. In the summer, I get water from
the condensation drip of the window A/C unit. (about 4
gallons/day if I run it all day - it's humid here) In winter, I
have to transport water from the house, but at the heated
bucket under the sink keeps it from freezing.
Not free, like the previous system, though. $20 for the
heated bucket, $10 for the pump, $2 for the faucet, and
$3 for the foot switch, plus another buck or two for tubing
and such. Still worth it. Love the foot switch!
-Snail
Brandon Phillips on mon 3 oct 11
My current studio at home has no water and no waste, I use a hose and
buckets. No warm water in the winter! Though I do have a cush but small
studio at the school where I teach, hot/cold water, waste, heat/ac.
I am in the process of building a new studio on my property...32x16. It
is about 100 feet from the house. I originally had planned to do
something like Earl's setup...but I don't want to have to fix/maintain
anything so I decided to go ahead and run a trench for a water line, and
since I'm trenching I'll run a waste line as well. The new studio is at a
a slightly higher elevation than the house...sh*t runs down hill, works
out well. Water lines can run in any direction. The cost for the pex and
waste line rough-in is under $200 for materials. I do have the advantage
of knowing how to do this work BUT these are 2 materials that are fairly
user friendly and I think the average person could do a little research
and figure out how to install. Now the decision...dig the trench by hand,
rent a machine for $100 or have a student who needs extra credit do
it....hmmmmm.
Brandon Phillips
supportyourlocalpotter.blogspot.com
> We all need it.
>
> Some have full plumbing.
> Mel says he uses buckets.
> I currently use buckets but find it inconvenient.
>
> In my new studio next month I'll go back to my old system.
>
> Plastic laundry tub from home improvement store $15
> Yard sale hot water tank or rain barrel $5
> Pump for outdoor water feature $35
> Plastic tubing and fittings $10
> Electrical pushbutton switch and box $10
> 5 gallon pail
> free
> Existing garden hose free
>
> -------
> Total
> $75
>
>
>
> Air ^ Fill->||
> || ||
> ------------------ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> | || || | / \
> | | / |
> | | / ------------
> | Tank | / | Sink |
> | | -------- / |----------|
> | | | | / | || |
> | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| Pump |=3D/ | ------ =
|
> | | | | | |Bkt | |
> | | -------- | | | |
> ------------------- | |----| |
>
> Set water heater or rain barrel next to laundry sink.
> Connect pump to drain outlet of tank with plastic tubing.
> Run plastic tubing from outlet of pump to above sink.
> Hold tubing above sink so that you can wiggle tube around.
> Put bucket under sink.
> Use scraps of wood to hold pushbutton switch to sink to use as foot
> switch.
> Connect pump to foot switch.
> Plug foot switch into wall outlet - GFCI outlet only please.
> Fill tank with water using garden hose.
>
> To use:
> walk up to sink with dirty hands,
> hold hands above sink under tubing,
> step on foot switch,
> wash crud off of hands,
> release foot switch,
> go get hands dirty again.
>
> Periodically empty bucket (suggest before it's brim full).
> Less periodically fill tank with water using hose.
>
>
> earl...
> oregon, usa
>
Maurice Weitman on tue 4 oct 11
Okay, Earl, it's not just to be frugal, but how about, instead of the
pump (which I know has your heart pounding), just put the tank higher
than the sink and let gravity feed the faucet?
You could add "gravity" to the "free" column.
You could put the "drain" water thing under the supply tank, or be
like the soldier in white in Catch-22 and pour the drain into the
supply when it's full.
Regards,
Maurice
May Luk on tue 4 oct 11
My current mobile water station, ghetto and zero carbon footprint. The
aluminum trolley doubles up as loading and unloading tool (but this
one is a studio surplus). In the winter, I do have to boil water in
the kettle first thing. Or heat up water on top of the kiln if the
timing is right.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yamerica/6208983799/in/photostream/
I used to have a bus boy type cart from restaurant supply shop. I have
a very uneven floor so I need to lower the center of gravity and using
bigger wheels (like the trolley) for this set up.
Have a good day
May
--
http://www.artspan.org/artist/mayluk
http://www.ceramicsbrooklyn.com/
Michael Flaherty on tue 4 oct 11
i like your design a lot earl.
this past spring i taught a course at the university where i am the techn=
=3D
ician.=3D20=3D20
since it was the only course happening in the department at the time we w=
=3D
ere=3D20
basically able to do whatever we wanted. on the first day of class i tol=
=3D
d the=3D20
students we were going to do a semester-long research project in studio=3D2=
0=3D
practices to examine how we use or misuse resources in the studio. i gav=
=3D
e=3D20
them one rule - no one was to put water down any drain. to cement the id=
=3D
ea=3D20
i actually stopped up all the drains in the studio.
students were free to use whatever water they wanted, but since they had=3D=
20=3D
nowhere to discard it they quickly learned to recycle it. we had a coupl=
=3D
e big=3D20
communal washing buckets, and each student had her/his own 20 litre pail.=
=3D
=3D20=3D20
the results were that we had an extraordinary decrease in the amount of=3D2=
0=3D
water used from previous semesters, and that the the studio was actually=3D=
20=3D
cleaner than before as well because students were inclined to be more=3D20
efficient and thoughtful with their materials. most importantly, student=
=3D
s=3D20
reacted very positively to this odd experiment. they were happy to try t=
=3D
o=3D20
determine whether a studio could be more sustainable and environmentally=3D=
20=3D
friendly, and many discussions were had about the ethics of pottery makin=
=3D
g=3D20
and environmentalism.
Dina Barnese on tue 4 oct 11
My home studio did not have water or a sink, nor does my new one. I opted t=
o
not install one due to space limitations and because I've gotten so used to
not having a sink or running water. I have a hose outside for filling my
small throwing bucket in summer, and warm water in the gallery house for
winter. Yes, I have to schlep it to the studio but that's OK. I got used to
schlepping it through the house so I figure I can do it at the new place,
too.
Living in a dry climate helps with not having buckets of water sitting
around. I use practically no water when throwing. I fish the chunks out of
the bottom before dumping the rest of it into an evaporation bucket. The
evap bucket helps to keep a bit of humidity in the air in my studio, too.
:-)
I've just started recycling wet trimmings rather than letting them go dry.
This helps keep the mess down, too.
I use the most water when staining bisqueware. It takes quite a bit to clea=
n
it off. The dirty water from that goes into the flowerbeds.
-- Dina
-----------------------------
Dina Barnese
Zizziba Studio
Flagstaff, Arizona
www.zizziba.com
Stephani Stephenson on tue 4 oct 11
i have been thinking a lot about the bucket system, but need to adapt min=
=3D
e
because my studio is distant from the water source.=3D20
After a lot of thought i think I have come up with the ideal system for =
=3D
me.
it is kind of difficult to describe so
here's the link:
http://www.revivaltileworks.com/watersystem.html
Carl Cravens on tue 4 oct 11
That's a great idea, but soon they'll want scheduled breaks, then medical b=
=3D
enefits and vacation time. Then, just when you're wondering how you ever li=
=3D
ved without running water, they'll go on strike.
Best to just keep hauling=3D
your own water.
Dina Barnese on thu 6 oct 11
David Woof wrote:
This unit worked like a charm and was able to pump the grey water slop up t=
o
ground level where it emptied into a covered drainage settling depression i=
n
the ground before filtering out into the shrubs and backyard lawn. Once a
year I mucked several shovel scoops out of the settling depression and
disposed of it "properly".
Now, this is something I've been thinking about at my new studio. The groun=
d
is lovely to dig in and drains well. I've been thinking about digging a hol=
e
about 18" wide and maybe 24" deep and putting some sort of lid over it. The=
n
I could use it for old water and clean it out once a year after most of the
water had leeched out. I guess I could get away with it unless the City
found out. Then there'd have to be a design review board, permits, etc.
Maybe I could hide it under the fence vines or something.
Dina Barnese
Zizziba Studio
Flagstaff, Arizona
David Woof on fri 7 oct 11
Hi Dina=3D2C=3D20
as I'm sure you know=3D3B Arizona is getting into water conservation=3D2C l=
ands=3D
cape water=3D20
diversion scaping=3D2C reclaim and reuse in a big way. =3D20
Most municipalities have codes and ordinances regarding using grey water=3D=
2C=3D
=3D20
and for the most part they are crafted to be user friendly and still protec=
=3D
t the guy down stream.
Flag has their hands full with the Snow Bowl reclaimed water snow making pr=
=3D
oject and the=3D20
Indians objecting to the pee and poop water being sprayed on their sacred m=
=3D
ountain. Go Indians!!!=3D20
((Wonder how the snow makers would react if a group of us peed on their=3D2=
0
"reformed charismatic tabernacle of the holy cross brotherhood of the saint=
=3D
ed Vestal Virgins=3D20
church grounds!!!"))
So with all that serious stuff going on=3D3B I don't think Flagstaff will h=
av=3D
e much to say about=3D20
a few gallons of clay slip water feeding your rose bushes. Check the city c=
=3D
ode and have at it.=3D20
=3D20
Study the rules=3D3B make the rules defend and work for you.
David Woof....
Clarkdale=3D2C Arizona...where Ladies love outlaws and=3D20
laws make outlaws...da da dee twe de de dum. (played and sang to the tune a=
=3D
nd meter of=3D20
rain water leaking thru my studio roof and into an empty glaze bucket)
Its only one leak=3D2C it only leaks when it rains=3D2C and it very seldom =
rain=3D
s (same tune as first verse)
_______________________________________________________________________
3a. Re: Water in your studio
Posted by: "Dina Barnese" dinabarnese@GMAIL.COM=3D20
Date: Thu Oct 6=3D2C 2011 7:46 am ((PDT))
=3D20
David Woof wrote:
=3D20
This unit worked like a charm and was able to pump the grey water slop up t=
=3D
o
ground level where it emptied into a covered drainage settling depression i=
=3D
n
the ground before filtering out into the shrubs and backyard lawn. Once a
year I mucked several shovel scoops out of the settling depression and
disposed of it "properly".
=3D20
Now=3D2C this is something I've been thinking about at my new studio. The g=
ro=3D
und
is lovely to dig in and drains well. I've been thinking about digging a hol=
=3D
e
about 18" wide and maybe 24" deep and putting some sort of lid over it. The=
=3D
n
I could use it for old water and clean it out once a year after most of the
water had leeched out. I guess I could get away with it unless the City
found out. Then there'd have to be a design review board=3D2C permits=3D2C =
etc.
Maybe I could hide it under the fence vines or something.
=3D20
Dina Barnese
Zizziba Studio
Flagstaff=3D2C Arizona
=3D20
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