Deborah Thuman on wed 2 nov 11
Alas, my expertise is in criminal defense - not product liability.
Someone else will have to explain the legal ramifications of fumes, et
al. However, it seems to me that when one has a choice of taking a
risk or taking no risk, and the end result is the same, why would
someone take a risk?
Why use a hot wire to cut rigid foam and create fumes - even just a
few fumes - when you can use an electric knife, a band saw, or even a
steak knife and achieve the same result with no fumes?
Common sense isn't common. If it were, there would be no tort law. If
you use that hot wire to cut foam, are you exposing someone besides
yourself to the fumes? And if you are exposing someone else and the
someone else has a nasty reaction, what happens to you? More to the
point, do you really want to hurt someone else?
A few years ago, the ceramics department at NMSU put into place a ton
of new safety features. Why? Because there was a student who failed to
mention to the teacher that she was pregnant (apparently she wasn't
obviously pregnant yet). A few weeks into the class, she started to
wonder if the dust and chemicals in the clay studio would have an
effect on her baby. After testing, it was discovered the glaze room
had high concentrations of lead. Yet I would see people mixing glazes
without a mask and putting naked hands into the glaze buckets. A box
of latex gloves is cheap insurance. Are the gloves overkill? Maybe. I
take a calcium supplement every day because I don't want to have the
experience of breaking a hip. Will the calcium make a difference?
That's an experiment I'm not willing to do. YMMV.
I vividly remember experiences in college that I (nor anyone else)
should have had. The genetics professor who, in an attempt to show us
how much ether to use to knock out the fruit flies, sprayed ether
under my nose. I was very late with my period, and I will always
wonder if the strange physical event I experienced shortly thereafter
was a miscarriage, or just a regular period.
How about the formaldehyde, at the time a known carcinogen, that was
used in the biology classes? I was using a dissecting scope and
breathing in warm formaldehyde. About the time I realized I was going
to have the dry heaves if I continued, I packed up everything and
avoided formaldehyde whenever possible - which wasn't often because I
was a biology major.
Yes, I'm still alive and functioning. Yes, I know that life comes with
risks no matter how careful we are. I also know that I personally
would like to avoid unnecessary risks and I don't want to
inadvertently expose someone else to an unnecessary risk.
How much risk you want to take is up to you. Just be VERY sure that
you aren't exposing anyone else to the risks you're willing to take.
Deb Thuman
http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=3D5888059
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Deb-Thumans-Art-Page/167529715986
Randall Moody on wed 2 nov 11
You can't get the same results without a hotwire. Also, the fumes that
are emitted are negligible if in a properly vented area. We aren't
talking about burning the foam but rather heating it to a melting
point.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Deborah Thuman wrot=
e:
> Alas, my expertise is in criminal defense - not product liability.
> Someone else will have to explain the legal ramifications of fumes, et
> al. However, it seems to me that when one has a choice of taking a
> risk or taking no risk, and the end result is the same, why would
> someone take a risk?
>
> Why use a hot wire to cut rigid foam and create fumes - even just a
> few fumes - when you can use an electric knife, a band saw, or even a
> steak knife and achieve the same result with no fumes?
>
> Common sense isn't common. If it were, there would be no tort law. If
> you use that hot wire to cut foam, are you exposing someone besides
> yourself to the fumes? And if you are exposing someone else and the
> someone else has a nasty reaction, what happens to you? More to the
> point, do you really want to hurt someone else?
>
> A few years ago, the ceramics department at NMSU put into place a ton
> of new safety features. Why? Because there was a student who failed to
> mention to the teacher that she was pregnant (apparently she wasn't
> obviously pregnant yet). A few weeks into the class, she started to
> wonder if the dust and chemicals in the clay studio would have an
> effect on her baby. After testing, it was discovered the glaze room
> had high concentrations of lead. Yet I would see people mixing glazes
> without a mask and putting naked hands into the glaze buckets. A box
> of latex gloves is cheap insurance. Are the gloves overkill? Maybe. I
> take a calcium supplement every day because I don't want to have the
> experience of breaking a hip. Will the calcium make a difference?
> That's an experiment I'm not willing to do. YMMV.
>
> I vividly remember experiences in college that I (nor anyone else)
> should have had. The genetics professor who, in an attempt to show us
> how much ether to use to knock out the fruit flies, sprayed ether
> under my nose. I was very late with my period, and I will always
> wonder if the strange physical event I experienced shortly thereafter
> was a miscarriage, or just a regular period.
>
> How about the formaldehyde, at the time a known carcinogen, that was
> used in the biology classes? I was using a dissecting scope and
> breathing in warm formaldehyde. About the time I realized I was going
> to have the dry heaves if I continued, I packed up everything and
> avoided formaldehyde whenever possible - which wasn't often because I
> was a biology major.
>
> Yes, I'm still alive and functioning. Yes, I know that life comes with
> risks no matter how careful we are. I also know that I personally
> would like to avoid unnecessary risks and I don't want to
> inadvertently expose someone else to an unnecessary risk.
>
> How much risk you want to take is up to you. Just be VERY sure that
> you aren't exposing anyone else to the risks you're willing to take.
>
> Deb Thuman
> http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
> http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=3D5888059
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Deb-Thumans-Art-Page/167529715986
>
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Randall in Atlanta
http://wrandallmoody.com
Gayle Bair on wed 2 nov 11
When I watched the video I saw a considerable amount of white stuff in the
air drifting toward the demonstrator.
It was definitely the fumes from the wire burning through the foam.
After purchasing and trying a very small battery powered one a few years
ago I didn't like the fumes then decided it was not worth the trouble
and/or my health.
My favorite mold making material is clay. Bisque molds work best for me.
Gayle
www.claybair.com
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Randall Moody wro=
te:
> You can't get the same results without a hotwire. Also, the fumes that
> are emitted are negligible if in a properly vented area. We aren't
> talking about burning the foam but rather heating it to a melting
> point.
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Deborah Thuman
> wrote:
> > Alas, my expertise is in criminal defense - not product liability.
> > Someone else will have to explain the legal ramifications of fumes, et
> > al. However, it seems to me that when one has a choice of taking a
> > risk or taking no risk, and the end result is the same, why would
> > someone take a risk?
> >
> > Why use a hot wire to cut rigid foam and create fumes - even just a
> > few fumes - when you can use an electric knife, a band saw, or even a
> > steak knife and achieve the same result with no fumes?
> >
>
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