Notime Forspam on thu 10 nov 11
I can't believe I haven't been able to find this information anywhere so fa=
=3D
r.
=3DA0
I'm trying to find out what I need to do to make a stationary cutting wire =
=3D
so I can wire wedge.=3DA0 This is the way I learned to wedge 40 years ago a=
nd=3D
I was very surprised=3D2C coming back to clay after all this time=3D2C tha=
t no=3D
body seemed to know what I was talking about and I couldn't quite remember =
=3D
how to do it anymore. Fortunately I found Michael Wendt's description of "s=
=3D
tack and slam"=3D2C which=3D2C as far as I can remember=3D2C is the same th=
ing I =3D
learned all those years ago.
=3DA0
None of the community studios I've been in recently have a wire mounted=3D2=
C =3D
which surprised me=3D2C because how can you wedge without a wire?=3DA0 At l=
east=3D
in my world=3D2C LOL!=3DA0 Everybody seems to think kneading =3D3D wedging=
.=3DA0 N=3D
o offense=3D2C since I seem to be in the minority=3D2C but it was a big sur=
pris=3D
e to me to hear people complaining about how awful wedging is.=3DA0 Wedging=
i=3D
s easy=3D3B KNEADING is hard.=3DA0 Not to start an argument=3D2C that's jus=
t the =3D
way I learned.
=3DA0
Anyway.=3DA0 It slows me down a lot when wire wedging not to have a mounted=
w=3D
ire there at hand.=3DA0 I faked one using my cane=3D2C a hook on the wall=
=3D2C a =3D
cheap cutting wire=3D2C and my foot=3D2C but that's just a tad awkward.=3DA=
0 Plus=3D
I crimped that crappy wire last week so of course it broke at the crimp th=
=3D
e second or third time I dropped a block of clay across it the other day.
=3DA0
OK=3D2C so turnbuckle and a wire - but what sort of wire?=3DA0 The only sug=
gest=3D
ion I've seen is "guitar wire" - that's a pretty wide range there=3D2C plus=
I=3D
'm not sure it's all that safe (thinking of recoil of a guitar string under=
=3D
tension).=3DA0 My Mudwire is using some sort of lightweight woven steel ca=
bl=3D
e - maybe that would work?
=3DA0
If anybody has installed their own cutting wire=3D2C I'd thank you kindly f=
or=3D
passing your design along.=3DA0 I have a limited amount of time and energy=
t=3D
hese days=3D2C and I could easily cut my wedging time in half if I had a st=
at=3D
ionary wire to help me along.=3DA0 (There's no way I could do what is appar=
en=3D
tly more commonly called "wedging" these days=3D2C my back=3D2C wrists=3D2C=
and s=3D
houlder just won't take that).
=3DA0
Thanks for any light you can shed on this simple device that would make my =
=3D
life so much easier!
Soj
=3D
Zen Sojourner on fri 11 nov 11
OK, so what you have there (pardon me, my eyes are not what they once wer=
=3D
e
and I'm overdue for a new pair of glasses to boot) is your wire attached =
=3D
to
a looooong turnbuckle at the top, which looks like it fits into the drill=
=3D
ed
end of a vertical piece of 1 x 2 which, in turn, is screwed to wood block=
=3D
s
attached to a stud in your wall (I assume).
Then the wire runs down across the front of your table, which you are
protecting with a small angle bracket. To a screw eye, THROUGH the screw=
=3D
eye, I should say, where the wire is wrapped around a piece of dowel and
secured by wrapping the wire around itself, so that dowel would be like o=
=3D
ne
handle of a regular clay wire.
Am I seeing that correctly? Do you happen to have some idea of what gaug=
=3D
e
that wire is?
A plaster slab topped work area is on my list of permanent things I would=
=3D
like to have, but not practical where I'm at now. I'm planning on gettin=
=3D
g a
piece of cement board, cover it with canvas, and use that to wedge and dr=
=3D
y
clay until I'm in a more permanent situation. Somebody was suggesting us=
=3D
ing
wallboard, but I just don't see that standing up to much use, especially
when it gets wet! (Well, damp, anyway)
Zen Sojourner on fri 11 nov 11
That's it! Right now something semi-permanent would actually be better t=
=3D
han
a permanent set up. Very doable for me right now. I'll be giving this a=
=3D
try. I'll have to check with my son if he has any old bass strings -
unwound ones. Otherwise I'm sure I could find an old guitar string or pi=
=3D
ece
of piano wire from somebody around here.
Eventually I'll have a more permanent setup, but for now this is the best=
=3D
option for me so far.
Zen Sojourner on fri 11 nov 11
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:56:25 -0600, Taylor Hendrix =3D
>
wrote:
>Here is a fantastic example of what you are wanting.
>
>http://youtu.be/AXO_RvrntDk
Yup that's the sort of thing I'm thinking of.
I have to ask - that caliper-like tool he's using as a pot lifter - what'=
=3D
s
that called and where can I get one? It looks much handier than having t=
=3D
o
buy 4 different sizes of 2-piece aluminum "pot lifters"
Taylor Hendrix on fri 11 nov 11
Here is a fantastic example of what you are wanting.
http://youtu.be/AXO_RvrntDk
I have always just screwed a 2x4 to the wall and used a chicken staple
to hold one end of the wire to the wall and stretched the wired down
with a strong spring at the bottom attached to my wedging table with
another chicken staple. John seems to have his raised a bit at the
edge of his work surface.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
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Snail Scott on fri 11 nov 11
On Nov 9, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Notime Forspam wrote:
> OK, so turnbuckle and a wire - but what sort of wire? The only =3D
suggestion I've seen is "guitar wire"...
I don't use a stationary wire much for my own work, but=3D20
I build them for the classroom studios I've worked in. They=3D20
are handy for slicing big lumps and interleaving them with=3D20
softer or harder clay, or adding colorants, or making slices=3D20
to lay out larger hand-rolled slabs.=3D20
I've tried guitar wire, and gave it up. Expensive, and not=3D20
worth it. It lasts longer than plain old galvanized wire from=3D20
the hardware store, but with hardware store wire, I can=3D20
have a hundred-foot roll just waiting on a peg when=3D20
needed. In a classroom setting, guitar wire doesn't last=3D20
enough longer to be much advantage. In my own studio,=3D20
it might, but I don't feel the need.=3D20
In my current classroom, most of our tables are laminate-
topped regular tables that I've stapled canvas across. For=3D20
the designated wedging/slabrolling table, I screwed a 1/2"=3D20
galvanized floor flange into the middle, and threaded a=3D20
matching 12" length of 1/2" pipe into it (from the plumbing=3D20
aisle of the hardware store). I stuck a cable-loop reinforcer=3D20
into the top, ends flattened with a hammer to fit. (Not attached,=3D20
the wire holds it in place well enough.) These are in the aisle=3D20
next to the wire rope and steel cable. Almost anything will do,=3D20
though, as long as it holds the wire in place atop the pipe and=3D20
softens the sharp edges against the wire.=3D20
On this table, to maximize the wire length from both sides of=3D20
the table, I ran the wire all the way under, connected to the=3D20
turnbuckle underneath. (I use a bit of 2x2 wood to bump it=3D20
out from the bottom of the table, to make adjustment easier.)=3D20
If the table were against a wall, I'd just do it one-sided, with=3D20
the pipe at the back instead of the middle, and I'd probably=3D20
put the turnbuckle on top. Get a long turnbuckle; galvanized=3D20
wire stretches a lot and you want to be able to tighten=3D20
accordingly.
-Snail=3D
Rimas VisGirda on fri 11 nov 11
You can make your own. Attached are jpegs of how I've used a standard cutti=
ng wire on my wedging table. Or you can purchase a device that attaches to =
a table from AMACO at the link below... -Rimas
http://www.amaco.com/shop/product-187-wedging-angle.html
Jackie.Miller.Clay on fri 11 nov 11
I use a wire (mine is a random guitar wire) stretched across a metal shelvi=
n=3D
g bracket. The bracket is "attached" to the edge of the table with a clamp.=
I=3D
f for any reason I need to move it to another table it is totally mobile. J=
u=3D
st undo the clamp and re-clamp to the other table.=3D20
Jackie
Alice DeLisle on fri 11 nov 11
leader wire for shark fishing
Alice DeLisle
wanderland@att.net
http://www.etsy.com/shop/IslandTextures
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alice_delisle/
Ric Swenson on sat 12 nov 11
I have had good luck with DOWN RIGGER ss (300 lb test ?) fishing line....=
a couple eye hooks .....one to the wall stud and the other to the leading e=
dge of the table ....and a small but sturdy turnbuckle to tighten the wir=
e...so it will sing.
Regards,
Ric
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:53:15 -0800
> From: rtv1942@YAHOO.COM
> Subject: Wall mounted wire for wire wedging
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>
> You can make your own. Attached are jpegs of how I've used a standard cut=
ting wire on my wedging table. Or you can purchase a device that attaches t=
o a table from AMACO at the link below... -Rimas
>
>
> http://www.amaco.com/shop/product-187-wedging-angle.html
Ben Shelton on sat 12 nov 11
Best stuff I have used is made by American Fishing wire products called "bl=
=3D
eeding leader wire" it has a red plastic coating over 7 strand stainless st=
=3D
eel cable. I use a cigarette lighter to burn off the plastic for some uses.=
=3D
Depends on my mood. I wish I could find it without the coating. I cut and =
=3D
slam wedge 8~10 lbs of clay with it regularly and I don't have it mounted w=
=3D
ith a spring and it has only broken once. Stuff is tougher than nails and w=
=3D
ont rust.=3D0AI'm sure that there are other brands out there. Shop around.=
=3D0A=3D
=3D0AI use 45lb wire for hand held cut off wires, 60 lb for table mounted o=
r =3D
frame mounted like my slab cutting frame saw conversion tool.=3D0AYou can t=
ie=3D
this wire to hooks etc or you can buy their "leader sleeves" and crimp the=
=3D
se in place. That is how I make my coping saw cut off tool wires.=3D0A=3D0A=
NOTE=3D
: If you are planning on burning off the coating you may need a smaller siz=
=3D
e leader sleeve. You'll just have to experiment.=3D0A=3D0AIt might pay off =
to f=3D
ind an online retailer of Saltwater fishing or toothy fish tackle. In the N=
=3D
orthern US they have things like pike and musky and walleye that need wire =
=3D
leaders because of teeth so a retailer specializing in northern US or coast=
=3D
al fishing would be most likely to stock what you are looking for. Call the=
=3D
m up and tell them what you are using the wire for and maybe they have some=
=3D
better suggestions. The products I mentioned are the first ones I tried an=
=3D
d I have more than I will ever use so I haven't had a need to shop for anyt=
=3D
hing better.=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0=3D0ABen
Dina Barnese on sun 13 nov 11
Zen,
I'd go with the cement board, like the type you'd put behind tile in a
bathroom, and skip the canvas. It will just hold dust and in fact is
terrible for drying clay because the fibers hold on to moisture. I use
cement board exclusively for wedging and it is great for pulling extra
moisture out of the clay (although don't leave it sitting there or it will
dry it out!). I also use cement board on my drying shelves - it helps the
pots dry evenly. I loosely cover the tops with plastic and let the board
suck the moisture out of the bottoms. I used to stretch canvas over my work
table but have since given it up. It just holds too much dust and is
impossible to clean thoroughly if attached to the tabletop.
*I'm planning on getting a piece of cement board, cover it with canvas, and
use that to wedge and dry clay until I'm in a more permanent situation.
*
Dina
Dina Barnese
Zizziba Studio
Flagstaff, Arizona
www.zizziba.com
Mike on sun 13 nov 11
I use a 1.5mm stainless steel wound (woven?) cable, such a you would use
for hanging heavy framed pictures, ceramics, etc... It doesn't break
even when you wedge stiff and/or gunky clay. It doesn't cut quite like
piano wire, but that has never been a problem yet.
Mike
in Taku, Japan
http://karatsupots.com
http://karatsupots.blogspot.com
Workshop in Taku 2012: The Simple Teabowl, May 12 - 18
http://karatsupots.com/workshop2012/2012home.html
http://workshopintaku2012.blogspot.com/
(2011/11/10 14:19), Notime Forspam wrote:
> I can't believe I haven't been able to find this information anywhere so =
far.
>
> I'm trying to find out what I need to do to make a stationary cutting wir=
e so I can wire wedge. This is the way I learned to wedge 40 years ago and=
I was very surprised, coming back to clay after all this time, that nobody=
seemed to know what I was talking about and I couldn't quite remember how =
to do it anymore. Fortunately I found Michael Wendt's description of "stack=
and slam", which, as far as I can remember, is the same thing I learned al=
l those years ago.
>
> None of the community studios I've been in recently have a wire mounted, =
which surprised me, because how can you wedge without a wire? At least in =
my world, LOL! Everybody seems to think kneading =3D wedging. No offense,=
since I seem to be in the minority, but it was a big surprise to me to hea=
r people complaining about how awful wedging is. Wedging is easy; KNEADING=
is hard. Not to start an argument, that's just the way I learned.
>
> Anyway. It slows me down a lot when wire wedging not to have a mounted w=
ire there at hand. I faked one using my cane, a hook on the wall, a cheap =
cutting wire, and my foot, but that's just a tad awkward. Plus I crimped t=
hat crappy wire last week so of course it broke at the crimp the second or =
third time I dropped a block of clay across it the other day.
>
> OK, so turnbuckle and a wire - but what sort of wire? The only suggestio=
n I've seen is "guitar wire" - that's a pretty wide range there, plus I'm n=
ot sure it's all that safe (thinking of recoil of a guitar string under ten=
sion). My Mudwire is using some sort of lightweight woven steel cable - ma=
ybe that would work?
>
> If anybody has installed their own cutting wire, I'd thank you kindly for=
passing your design along. I have a limited amount of time and energy the=
se days, and I could easily cut my wedging time in half if I had a stationa=
ry wire to help me along. (There's no way I could do what is apparently mo=
re commonly called "wedging" these days, my back, wrists, and shoulder just=
won't take that).
>
> Thanks for any light you can shed on this simple device that would make m=
y life so much easier!
>
> Soj
>
Rimas VisGirda on sun 13 nov 11
Yes, you have described exactly what I sent to you in the attachments. Exce=
pt the wire IS a standard cutting wire. As for the cement board, I would NO=
T cover it with canvas and use the board directly. I think the wire would a=
lso start to cut into the cement board at the bottom and I would use a smal=
l piece of L bracket there. The original version had just the 1x2 as an upr=
ight, but I found that too flexible; so put in a small block and screwed th=
e top arrangement to a stud. The reason I didn't come directly of a stud in=
the wall at the top, and the LONG turnbuckle, is that the standard cutting=
wire I used was too short. In the past I have tried various types of wire =
and most stretched and broke with use and the day I wanted to set up a wire=
for slap wedging a standard cutting wire was all I had on hand... Now I be=
lieve that someone makes an oversize (longer) cutting wire with the same ty=
pe of (airplane?) cable... I have installed things like piano wire
and guitar strings but the problem I have found with them is how to get th=
em fastened at the ends... I have created a public wedging table album on m=
y Facebook site which includes a concrete table made for me while at a resi=
dency in Hungary, you can view it at the below link. -Rimas
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=3Da.2231882192108.2104864.109949458=
3&type=3D1&l=3De8dc69a6c9
Steve Mills on mon 14 nov 11
I use a 1" virmiculite based fire resistant board for wedging, kneading, an=
d=3D
reclaim.=3D20
It doesn't need a cloth cover, when not in use it stands up against the wal=
l=3D
to dry out, consequently when not in use it takes up very little room, unl=
i=3D
ke plaster it doesn't "grow" stuff underneath it, and it doesn't matter if =
b=3D
its get in your clay!=3D20
I make that five pluses and no minuses!
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 13 Nov 2011, at 15:51, Dina Barnese wrote:
> Zen,
>=3D20
> I'd go with the cement board, like the type you'd put behind tile in a
> bathroom, and skip the canvas. It will just hold dust and in fact is
> terrible for drying clay because the fibers hold on to moisture. I use
> cement board exclusively for wedging and it is great for pulling extra
> moisture out of the clay (although don't leave it sitting there or it wil=
l=3D
> dry it out!). I also use cement board on my drying shelves - it helps the
> pots dry evenly. I loosely cover the tops with plastic and let the board
> suck the moisture out of the bottoms. I used to stretch canvas over my wo=
r=3D
k
> table but have since given it up. It just holds too much dust and is
> impossible to clean thoroughly if attached to the tabletop.
>=3D20
> *I'm planning on getting a piece of cement board, cover it with canvas, a=
n=3D
d
> use that to wedge and dry clay until I'm in a more permanent situation.
> *
> Dina
>=3D20
>=3D20
> Dina Barnese
> Zizziba Studio
> Flagstaff, Arizona
> www.zizziba.com
Lee on mon 14 nov 11
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Mike wrote:
> I use a 1.5mm stainless steel wound (woven?) cable, such a you would use
> for hanging heavy framed pictures, ceramics, etc... It doesn't break
> even when you wedge stiff and/or gunky clay. It doesn't cut quite like
> piano wire, but that has never been a problem yet.
>
>
I've use wound stainless trolling wire in the past. I need to find some
more.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he land
of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent within
itself." -- John O'Donohue
Rebecca Feest on mon 14 nov 11
I second this, where can I find that lifting device!!!??? I've been looki=
=3D
ng all over=3D20
for two days but I can't seem to find anyone that sells them....
~Becca Feest=3D20
http://youtu.be/AXO_RvrntDk
Sojourner Forspam on tue 15 nov 11
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:10:48 -0500, Rebecca Feest wrot=
=3D
e:
>I second this, where can I find that lifting device!!!??? I've been look=
=3D
ing
all over=3D20
>for two days but I can't seem to find anyone that sells them....
>
>~Becca Feest=3D20
>
>http://youtu.be/AXO_RvrntDk
Google must hate me by now, I've tried so many variations of the term "po=
=3D
t
lifter"
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