ivor and olive lewis on sun 13 nov 11
Dear Jeannean Hibbitts,
What a strange proportions for a bowl, where the height is equal to the
diameter. How did that teacher arrive at those proportions
Such a strange design ! !
Is the contour elliptical or is the base hemispherical with a cylindrical
upper collar?. If it is the capacity is monstrous, just about two litres.
The basic bowl is hemispherical. There are many attractive alternatives.
Hope you can convince him that variety is the spice of life, spreads the
pleasure and increases the profit.
Sincerely,
Ivor Lewis,
REDHILL,
South Australia
jonathan byler on mon 14 nov 11
he is a control freak, or so it sounds... those people thrive on
making a ton of arbitrary rules for everyone else.
On Nov 13, 2011, at 1:12 AM, ivor and olive lewis wrote:
> Dear Jeannean Hibbitts,
>
> What a strange proportions for a bowl, where the height is equal to
> the
> diameter. How did that teacher arrive at those proportions
>
> Such a strange design ! !
>
> Is the contour elliptical or is the base hemispherical with a
> cylindrical
> upper collar?. If it is the capacity is monstrous, just about two
> litres.
>
> The basic bowl is hemispherical. There are many attractive
> alternatives.
>
> Hope you can convince him that variety is the spice of life, spreads
> the
> pleasure and increases the profit.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ivor Lewis,
> REDHILL,
> South Australia
David Woof on tue 15 nov 11
I agree in principle that the instructor appears to be behaving as a micro-=
=3D
managing "control freak" and it is also good to see Ivor's post regarding b=
=3D
owl proportions and the spice of variety.
But in a bid for fair and even handedness=3D3B=3D20
perhaps the instructor went over the edge under the impetus of being sick=
=3D20
and tired of way too many crappy bowls made by folks who could=3D20
experience tremendous improvement by (1) taking a class=3D2C (2) by paying =
at=3D
tention in class=3D2C=3D20
or(3) by looking at good bowls and understanding why they are good bowls. T=
=3D
his requires some effort and concern in learning to recognize good pottery =
=3D
form and see into the practical mechanics of design that make it physically=
=3D
so.=3DA0=3D20
What's so damn hard about that except laziness hiding behind insecurity mas=
=3D
ked by a defensive ego?
Generous servings of humble pie garnished with a bit of crow in a setting o=
=3D
f self introspection is usually better for the long haul than therapy and m=
=3D
eds!!! And a regular walk thru the studio with a hammer is a lasting freein=
=3D
g experience. (good after taste and hang time)=3D20
To grow one needs to recognize one's own crap and have the conviction and f=
=3D
ortitude to dispose of it promptly.=3D20
Love to all=3D2C (but disgust for bad form and the crippling ties that blin=
d =3D
one there)!!!
David Woof
_____________________________________________________________
1a. Re: : Bowls
Posted by: "jonathan byler" jebyler2@GMAIL.COM=3D20
Date: Mon Nov 14=3D2C 2011 11:52 am ((PST))
=3D20
he is a control freak=3D2C or so it sounds... those people thrive on
making a ton of arbitrary rules for everyone else.
=3D20
=3D20
On Nov 13=3D2C 2011=3D2C at 1:12 AM=3D2C ivor and olive lewis wrote:
=3D20
> Dear Jeannean Hibbitts=3D2C
>
> What a strange proportions for a bowl=3D2C where the height is equal to
> the
> diameter. How did that teacher arrive at those proportions
>
> Such a strange design ! !
>
> Is the contour elliptical or is the base hemispherical with a
> cylindrical
> upper collar?. If it is the capacity is monstrous=3D2C just about two
> litres.
>
> The basic bowl is hemispherical. There are many attractive
> alternatives.
>
> Hope you can convince him that variety is the spice of life=3D2C spreads
> the
> pleasure and increases the profit.
>
> Sincerely=3D2C
>
> Ivor Lewis=3D2C
> REDHILL=3D2C
> South Australia
=3D20
=3D20
=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D20
=3D
ivor and olive lewis on tue 15 nov 11
Dear Jonathan Byler
Thank you for your comment.
I cannot see how your opinion of this persons attitude to life relates to m=
y
comment about his design sensibility.
Perhaps you would clarify the connection
Thanks,
Ivor
Sojourner Forspam on tue 15 nov 11
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:29:57 -0700, David Woof wro=
=3D
te:
>I agree in principle that the instructor appears to be behaving as a
micro-managing "control freak" and it is also good to see Ivor's post
regarding bowl proportions and the spice of variety.
>
>But in a bid for fair and even handedness;=3D20
>perhaps the instructor went over the edge under the impetus of being sic=
=3D
k=3D20
>and tired of way too many crappy bowls made by folks who could=3D20
>experience tremendous improvement by (1) taking a class, (2) by paying
attention in class,=3D20
>or(3) by looking at good bowls and understanding why they are good bowls=
=3D
.
This requires some effort and concern in learning to recognize good potte=
=3D
ry
form and see into the practical mechanics of design that make it physical=
=3D
ly
so.=3DA0=3D20
In this case I think it's sufficient (having ascertained that the bowls a=
=3D
re
whole, properly glazed, and of a useful size, say larger than thimblesize=
=3D
)
to let the buying public decide for themselves what constitutes a "good"
bowl. Some bowls that break the "rules" of form are better than some bow=
=3D
ls
that follow them. And some people may just like oddly shaped, strangely
decorated (to my taste) bowls because of their off-beat qualities=3D20
I haven't seen any bowls on the empty bowls shelves that were so awful th=
=3D
ey
deserved the kind of approbation expressed above. Some were actually
(formwise) not so nice as my bowls - it's the finish that makes me sad on=
=3D
my
bowls. Most are from inexperienced potters. No one has complained about=
=3D
these rather amateurish looking bowls - and mine are included in that
category because the finish is so problematic for me still (and form is o=
=3D
nly
adequate, but I'm working on it).
However, someone fired something they shouldn't have in the last glaze
firing. I don't know what it was, but it coated the entire interior of t=
=3D
he
kiln a nice powder blue - and caused pinholes and contamination of every
other pot in the kiln, including a dozen or two of the empty bowls bowls.=
=3D
These bowls will likely be returned to their makers because of the
uncertainty of what some naughty person put into the kiln.
It's rather a blow to the empty bowls project at the studio. Thursday is=
=3D
the last day for us to get our stuff together for that and it looks like
we're going to come up short. It's sad that someone's carelessness has
thrown a monkey wrench into the works.
Ric Swenson on wed 16 nov 11
think OUTside the box maybe?
just creative thinking...
ric
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:29:57 -0700
> From: woofpots@HOTMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: : Bowls
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>
> I agree in principle that the instructor appears to be behaving as a micr=
o-managing "control freak" and it is also good to see Ivor's post regarding=
bowl proportions and the spice of variety.
>
> But in a bid for fair and even handedness;
> perhaps the instructor went over the edge under the impetus of being sick
> and tired of way too many crappy bowls made by folks who could
> experience tremendous improvement by (1) taking a class, (2) by paying at=
tention in class,
> or(3) by looking at good bowls and understanding why they are good bowls.=
This requires some effort and concern in learning to recognize good potter=
y form and see into the practical mechanics of design that make it physical=
ly so.
>
> What's so damn hard about that except laziness hiding behind insecurity m=
asked by a defensive ego?
>
> Generous servings of humble pie garnished with a bit of crow in a setting=
of self introspection is usually better for the long haul than therapy and=
meds!!! And a regular walk thru the studio with a hammer is a lasting free=
ing experience. (good after taste and hang time)
> To grow one needs to recognize one's own crap and have the conviction and=
fortitude to dispose of it promptly.
>
> Love to all, (but disgust for bad form and the crippling ties that blind =
one there)!!!
>
> David Woof
> _____________________________________________________________
> 1a. Re: : Bowls
> Posted by: "jonathan byler" jebyler2@GMAIL.COM
> Date: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:52 am ((PST))
>
> he is a control freak, or so it sounds... those people thrive on
> making a ton of arbitrary rules for everyone else.
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2011, at 1:12 AM, ivor and olive lewis wrote:
>
> > Dear Jeannean Hibbitts,
> >
> > What a strange proportions for a bowl, where the height is equal to
> > the
> > diameter. How did that teacher arrive at those proportions
> >
> > Such a strange design ! !
> >
> > Is the contour elliptical or is the base hemispherical with a
> > cylindrical
> > upper collar?. If it is the capacity is monstrous, just about two
> > litres.
> >
> > The basic bowl is hemispherical. There are many attractive
> > alternatives.
> >
> > Hope you can convince him that variety is the spice of life, spreads
> > the
> > pleasure and increases the profit.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Ivor Lewis,
> > REDHILL,
> > South Australia
>
>
>
>
>
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