David Woof on tue 29 nov 11
Folks=3D2C=3D20
yes as Jonathan says: <"Please be careful saying things..."> That is good =
=3D
advice Jonathan=3D20
but do you think maybe we are being to "nice" and careful of feelings here?=
=3D
There is a lot at stake
with these fearful posts. It runs deep and a firmer rebuke is also of value=
=3D
when
folks are morbidly over the top. We shouldn't even have to be having these =
=3D
conversations!!!
For the majority=3D3B your food is more toxic than the stuff in the studio=
=3D2C
(loaded with additives and with real nutrition processed out)=3D20
This is commonly ignored common knowledge!!!
While the cars and vehicles you/I/we drive(including the electrics)are toxi=
=3D
c to our environment=3D2C
our health=3D2C and life forms including the little critters so many times=
=3D20
thoughtlessly run over under the speeding wheels=3D2C and when getting our =
ow=3D
n bodies maimed and faces=3D20
torn off in blood and guts collisions that used to fascinate folks like a g=
=3D
ood horror=3D20
flick but now we watch these evening news accounts with the same apathy as =
=3D
a
herd of bedded and cud chewing cows.
War is toxic!!! Sex can be very toxic and Fatal. Some wallow like victimiz=
=3D
ed hogs in toxic=3D20
friendships who would steal our creative energy and spirit.....our life for=
=3D
ce itself!!!=3D20
Getting caught in the mainstream mill of conventional medical care=3D2C
white coats=3D2C gloved hands dispensing poison: lackeys trained and educat=
ed=3D
on chemical and drug=3D20
company grants and scholarships. Dig in and see where the money for buildin=
=3D
g and supporting=3D20
medical schools flows from.
The real "toxic" is not in the studio and I for one am tired of hearing the=
=3D
inane=3D20
stupidity expressed by childish children of third generation idiots shiveri=
=3D
ng in their=3D20
self imposed exile from the full and delicious life some of us live and sav=
=3D
or into very=3D20
ripe old ages while sensibly using the things ya'll fear the most.
Bah!!! please shut up=3D2C get educated=3D2C quit eating shit and live.!!! =
pass=3D
the copper sulfate=3D20
carefully in your limp=3D2C gloved and dying hands. Gasp cough cough I'm c=
om=3D
ing lord Jesus.
David Woof... who is going to out live all of you scaredy freaks or die try=
=3D
ing!!!=3D20
Toxic Boric Acid!!! OMG!!! Fear can be an addiction...get help if you can'=
=3D
t replace it with=3D20
educated caution.
and for all who feel spiritually bankrupt=3D3B folks who go to church and l=
ea=3D
ve still=3D20
feeling fearful and empty: look it up in your own copy of your "Good Book" =
=3D
where it=3D20
says "the love of God throws fear out side".=3D20
Maybe you got the wrong church=3D2C faith=3D2C belief system or something??=
? Fl=3D
ag in one hand=3D2C=3D20
good book in the other=3D2C bottles hidden under the seat=3D2C pills in yer=
poc=3D
ket=3D2C=3D20
covetousness in yer heart to the cellular level=3D2C the neighbor's spouse =
or=3D
material goods=3D20
on your idling mind!!!
Ya I guess I'd live in fear too.
__________________________________________
16a. Re: Boric Acid question
Posted by: "jonathan byler" jebyler2@GMAIL.COM=3D20
Date: Mon Nov 28=3D2C 2011 7:58 pm ((PST))
=3D20
Please be careful saying things like "boric acid is toxic." in large
enough doses=3D2C yes=3D2C it can be toxic. it has about the same LD50 rat=
e
as table salt=3D2C however - about 3/4 lb for a 150lb human is considered
a toxic dose. Not sure how you would manage to consume that much of
the stuff. I have a feeling it doesn't taste very good. When was the
last time you consumed 3/4lb of table salt in a sitting? Boric acid
is also sometimes used in eye washes due to it's anti-bacterial
qualities. I don't think I would do that unless under medical
supervision=3D2C but I know folks who have and lived to tell about it.
Water is toxic if you drink enough of it. everything is toxic in high
enough doses. But we don't want to scare folks into using nothing.
Know the risks and the facts before you label something toxic in a
public forum.
=3D20
As far as procuring the stuff=3D2C there are online sources for boric
acid=3D2C including various DIY pest control sites. For random chemicals
that I can't easily find locally=3D2C I like to do business with the fine
folks a U.S. Pigments. Others on clayart have also had positive
dealings with them=3D2C and I find they have competitive pricing on just
about everything they sell. YMMV.
=3D20
=3D20
On Nov 27=3D2C 2011=3D2C at 12:05 AM=3D2C Paula Rutledge wrote:
=3D20
> In ceramic glazes=3D2C are either Borax (the washing powder) or
> granular
> borax the same chemical as Boric acid? I keep running across glaze
> recipes calling for Boric Acid=3D2C but I have not been able to find
> boric acid
> at any ceramic supply store.
> My college chemistry tells me borax is a sodium tetraborate and
> boric acid
> is an orthoborate (not necessarily sodium). They are both toxic=3D3B
> they both
> are boron sources. And granular borax can be anything from sodium
> borate to
> sodium tetra borate dodecahydrate & penthydrate borax depending on
> whether
> it is agricultural grade=3D2C food grade=3D2C industrial grade=3D2C ferti=
lizer
> grade=3D2C
> cosmetic grade...the list goes on and on.
> Do I just use Borax or the granulated borax (in our studio) in
> place of
> boric acid in glazes? [I used to be able to buy pure boric acid at
> the
> pharmacy to mix up for pest control=3D3B but pharmacies no longer carry
> it are
> here.]
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Paula Rutledge
> Lee College
> Baytown=3D2C Texas
=3D20
=3D
Edouard Bastarache on tue 29 nov 11
Hey David,
you smoke good stuff down there ???
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
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Quebec
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Woof"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:48 AM
Subject: Toxic stupid/was:Re: Boric Acid question
Folks,
yes as Jonathan says: <"Please be careful saying things..."> That is good
advice Jonathan
but do you think maybe we are being to "nice" and careful of feelings here?
There is a lot at stake
with these fearful posts. It runs deep and a firmer rebuke is also of value
when
folks are morbidly over the top. We shouldn't even have to be having these
conversations!!!
For the majority; your food is more toxic than the stuff in the studio,
(loaded with additives and with real nutrition processed out)
This is commonly ignored common knowledge!!!
While the cars and vehicles you/I/we drive(including the electrics)are toxi=
c
to our environment,
our health, and life forms including the little critters so many times
thoughtlessly run over under the speeding wheels, and when getting our own
bodies maimed and faces
torn off in blood and guts collisions that used to fascinate folks like a
good horror
flick but now we watch these evening news accounts with the same apathy as =
a
herd of bedded and cud chewing cows.
War is toxic!!! Sex can be very toxic and Fatal. Some wallow like
victimized hogs in toxic
friendships who would steal our creative energy and spirit.....our life
force itself!!!
Getting caught in the mainstream mill of conventional medical care,
white coats, gloved hands dispensing poison: lackeys trained and educated o=
n
chemical and drug
company grants and scholarships. Dig in and see where the money for buildin=
g
and supporting
medical schools flows from.
The real "toxic" is not in the studio and I for one am tired of hearing the
inane
stupidity expressed by childish children of third generation idiots
shivering in their
self imposed exile from the full and delicious life some of us live and
savor into very
ripe old ages while sensibly using the things ya'll fear the most.
Bah!!! please shut up, get educated, quit eating shit and live.!!! pass the
copper sulfate
carefully in your limp, gloved and dying hands. Gasp cough cough I'm comin=
g
lord Jesus.
David Woof... who is going to out live all of you scaredy freaks or die
trying!!!
Toxic Boric Acid!!! OMG!!! Fear can be an addiction...get help if you can'=
t
replace it with
educated caution.
and for all who feel spiritually bankrupt; folks who go to church and leave
still
feeling fearful and empty: look it up in your own copy of your "Good Book"
where it
says "the love of God throws fear out side".
Maybe you got the wrong church, faith, belief system or something??? Flag i=
n
one hand,
good book in the other, bottles hidden under the seat, pills in yer pocket,
covetousness in yer heart to the cellular level, the neighbor's spouse or
material goods
on your idling mind!!!
Ya I guess I'd live in fear too.
__________________________________________
16a. Re: Boric Acid question
Posted by: "jonathan byler" jebyler2@GMAIL.COM
Date: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:58 pm ((PST))
Please be careful saying things like "boric acid is toxic." in large
enough doses, yes, it can be toxic. it has about the same LD50 rate
as table salt, however - about 3/4 lb for a 150lb human is considered
a toxic dose. Not sure how you would manage to consume that much of
the stuff. I have a feeling it doesn't taste very good. When was the
last time you consumed 3/4lb of table salt in a sitting? Boric acid
is also sometimes used in eye washes due to it's anti-bacterial
qualities. I don't think I would do that unless under medical
supervision, but I know folks who have and lived to tell about it.
Water is toxic if you drink enough of it. everything is toxic in high
enough doses. But we don't want to scare folks into using nothing.
Know the risks and the facts before you label something toxic in a
public forum.
As far as procuring the stuff, there are online sources for boric
acid, including various DIY pest control sites. For random chemicals
that I can't easily find locally, I like to do business with the fine
folks a U.S. Pigments. Others on clayart have also had positive
dealings with them, and I find they have competitive pricing on just
about everything they sell. YMMV.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Paula Rutledge wrote:
> In ceramic glazes, are either Borax (the washing powder) or
> granular
> borax the same chemical as Boric acid? I keep running across glaze
> recipes calling for Boric Acid, but I have not been able to find
> boric acid
> at any ceramic supply store.
> My college chemistry tells me borax is a sodium tetraborate and
> boric acid
> is an orthoborate (not necessarily sodium). They are both toxic;
> they both
> are boron sources. And granular borax can be anything from sodium
> borate to
> sodium tetra borate dodecahydrate & penthydrate borax depending on
> whether
> it is agricultural grade, food grade, industrial grade, fertilizer
> grade,
> cosmetic grade...the list goes on and on.
> Do I just use Borax or the granulated borax (in our studio) in
> place of
> boric acid in glazes? [I used to be able to buy pure boric acid at
> the
> pharmacy to mix up for pest control; but pharmacies no longer carry
> it are
> here.]
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Paula Rutledge
> Lee College
> Baytown, Texas
Jeanie Silver on wed 30 nov 11
To David Woof
That was a fine rant, full of the passion of muckraking journalism and
turgid with Victorian self assurance. Too bad the vicious final paragraph
does much to negate the good sense contained in the body of the rant. The
heart of the spiritual practice you defame is contained in the practice of
compassion. It is what will carry us all home in the end. My hope for you
is that you make its acquaintance.
Jeanie in Pa.
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