gary navarre on mon 5 mar 12
Well it's nice to know some of the fear mongering a few =3D
Hey Folks,=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0Well it's nice to know some of the fear mongering =
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potters generated to dissuade others from wood firing is not necessarily tr=
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ue. There are a lot of falsies about wood firing out there based on bad des=
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ign and inexperienced firing. I recall the small bee hive red brick kiln I =
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was firing next to a house on a main street in Kalamazoo in the early '70's=
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when the fire trucks came up. Turns out they were hunting for some rich ki=
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ds Iguana in the trees above and the fireman pretty much ignored what I was=
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doing. I built two more in that neighborhood without any problem ...=3D0A=
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http://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/ca/kpap/ek75/=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0=
AI got lucky=3D
later and built the first versions of my dream design in a rural setting n=
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ear Kalamazoo... =3D0A=3D0A=3D0Ahttp://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/ca/kpap/hob=
agama_=3D
1986-90/=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0Aor an experimental based on the Pign=
ose and Bour=3D
ry firebox stuck on an abandoned electric ...=3D0A=3D0Ahttp://public.fotki.=
com/=3D
GindaUP/ca/kpap/navarres_hobalectric/=3DA0=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0Fifteen=
years after=3D
I lost that kiln I got even luckier with an even bigger version up North h=
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ere in 'da U.P. of Michigan. Over the years I developed a kiln design that =
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is now relatively smoke free, 60cu.ft holds at least 600+ pieces (theoretic=
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ally that's about 15 grand+or so of inventory), can be fired by one person =
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in 3 or 4 days but a couple more could extend the fire for a week or more, =
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can fire on less than 2 cords mixed hard and resinous wood, and built for l=
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ess than $5,000, not 30 grand. Unfortunately I have to tare it down and mov=
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e so I'm thinking of battling the evil ignorant negative forces and setting=
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up in an urban area that already has a wood burning kiln or two. One of th=
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em is even one of those donovan palmquist monsters built to demonstrate the=
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dieing art of wood fired pottery for tourists, kinda like tap dancing in b=
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lack face. I haven't seen it fire but supposedly it worked OK once they blo=
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cked the prevailing winds from getting into the
passive air damper holes ... http://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/ca/gfp/ =3DA0=
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=3DA0=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0When I was coming up I took on that Hippie attitude of =
not bein=3D
g someone who contributes to the massive amounts of=3DA0 pollution so I eit=
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r walked or rode a bicycle everywhere until I realized it's pretty hard to =
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carry a 16' extension ladder and painting equipment on a ten speed so I joi=
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ned the real world and got some gas powered wheels so I could earn some mon=
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ey. It took a long time for me to come to my senses and accept my part in t=
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he slow devastation of the environment. Once I realized my little glorified=
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BBQ of a kiln fire is nothing compared to what industry and the government=
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s military itself puts out I lost all guilt about a few billows of black sm=
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oke when I over stoked the kiln a little. And heck, a lot of those pollutin=
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g factories where I'm thinking of going have closed because of the crash so=
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they aren't even putting out as much pollution now so we can afford a few =
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carbon cells from an easily biodegradable source.=3DA0=3DA0=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0 =
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roject is repairing the snow damage to the kiln shelter because my auto bod=
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y repair genus buddy is trying to convince me to use up the remaining fuel =
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on another load but I think he just got a taste for stoking and wants to fi=
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re ...=3D0A=3D0Ahttp://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/ca/kpap/ksi/=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0=
=3D0AGary Na=3D
varre=3D0ANavarre Pottery=3D0ANavarre Enterprises=3D0ANorway, Michigan, USA=
=3D0Ahtt=3D
p://www.NavarrePottery.etsy.com=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 <...... New Pots=
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_________________________=3D0A From: bill geisinger M>=3D
=3D0ATo: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG =3D0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2012 5:24 PM=
=3D0ASu=3D
bject: Re: [Clayart] wood fire fumes=3D0A =3D0AMike,=3D0ASpare the Air days=
do no=3D
t apply to wood kilns. They only regulate wood=3D0Astoves and fireplaces th=
at=3D
people use to heat their homes. If you have a=3D0Awood fired oven in your =
ho=3D
me to prepare food it is OK to use it. If a=3D0Abusiness only uses wood to =
pr=3D
epare food it is OK to use it. I have never=3D0Ahad a problem with firing m=
y =3D
kiln on spare the air days other than feeling=3D0Areally lousy for the peop=
le=3D
who are having a difficult time breathing. It=3D0Ais difficult to stop a f=
ir=3D
ing that is into its third day, just because=3D0Asomeone in a suit and tie =
de=3D
termines it is a spare the air day.=3D0A=3D0AI'm rural but part of the San =
Fran=3D
cisco bay area and doubt I contribute as=3D0Amuch pollution as somebody hea=
di=3D
ng to the mall in their beemer or as much=3D0Aas a jet plane taking off or =
si=3D
tting to wait to take off.=3D0A=3D0Abill in sebastopol=3D0A=3D0AOn Mon, Mar=
5, 2012=3D
at 12:11 PM, Mike Gordon wrote:=3D0A=3D0A> On 3/5/=
12 7=3D
:56 AM, "mel jacobson" wrote:=3D0A>=3D0A>=3DA0 but, wha=
t does=3D
a 25 year old newbie potter do?=3DA0 build a=3D0A>> 30 thousand dollar woo=
d fi=3D
red kiln, live rural and hope=3D0A>> to make a living?=3DA0 it will be hard=
.=3D0A=3D
>> and with pollution standards hitting a new high, what=3D0A>> happens whe=
n =3D
the `knock on the door` comes.=3D0A>> `sir, you are making smoke and salt f=
um=3D
es.`=3D0A>>=3D0A>=3D0A> Here in the S.F. Bay area we have "Spare The Air " =
days, =3D
no wood=3D0A> burning in fire places or wood stoves. 1st comes a warning, t=
he=3D
n a=3D0A> $400.00 fine. But they still allow 5000 cars & buses & trucks to =
fi=3D
ll=3D0A> the freeways with no penalty! What B.S.!! Mike Gordon=3D0A>
Mike Gordon on mon 5 mar 12
On 3/5/12 7:56 AM, "mel jacobson" wrote:
> but, what does a 25 year old newbie potter do? build a
> 30 thousand dollar wood fired kiln, live rural and hope
> to make a living? it will be hard.
> and with pollution standards hitting a new high, what
> happens when the `knock on the door` comes.
> `sir, you are making smoke and salt fumes.`
Here in the S.F. Bay area we have "Spare The Air " days, no wood
burning in fire places or wood stoves. 1st comes a warning, then a
$400.00 fine. But they still allow 5000 cars & buses & trucks to fill
the freeways with no penalty! What B.S.!! Mike Gordon
Lee on mon 5 mar 12
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Mike Gordon wrote:
>
> Here in the S.F. Bay area we have "Spare The Air " days, no wood
> burning in fire places or wood stoves. 1st comes a warning, then a
> $400.00 fine. But they still allow 5000 cars & buses & trucks to fill
> the freeways with no penalty! What B.S.!! Mike Gordon
Most wood kilns are not built in cities.
--=3D20
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Ben Morrison on mon 5 mar 12
That's why I live in the country. Even though I live right in a small town =
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and have all the creature comforts with in walking distance I can burn all =
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year, grow food and animals on my property etc. City life just isn't for me=
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.=3D0A=3D0A-Ben=3D0A=3D0A________________________________=3D0A From: Mike G=
ordon yart@EARTHLINK.NET>=3D0ATo: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG =3D0ASent: Monday, Mar=
ch 5=3D
, 2012 12:11 PM=3D0ASubject: wood fire fumes=3D0A =3D0AOn 3/5/12 7:56 AM, "=
mel ja=3D
cobson" wrote:=3D0A=3D0A> but, what does a 25 year old =
newb=3D
ie potter do?=3DA0 build a=3D0A> 30 thousand dollar wood fired kiln, live r=
ural=3D
and hope=3D0A> to make a living?=3DA0 it will be hard.=3D0A> and with poll=
ution =3D
standards hitting a new high, what=3D0A> happens when the `knock on the doo=
r`=3D
comes.=3D0A> `sir, you are making smoke and salt fumes.`=3D0A=3D0AHere in =
the S.=3D
F. Bay area we have "Spare The Air " days, no wood=3D0Aburning in fire plac=
es=3D
or wood stoves. 1st comes a warning, then a=3D0A$400.00 fine. But they sti=
ll=3D
allow 5000 cars & buses & trucks to fill=3D0Athe freeways with no penalty!=
W=3D
hat B.S.!! Mike Gordon
bill geisinger on mon 5 mar 12
Mike,
Spare the Air days do not apply to wood kilns. They only regulate wood
stoves and fireplaces that people use to heat their homes. If you have a
wood fired oven in your home to prepare food it is OK to use it. If a
business only uses wood to prepare food it is OK to use it. I have never
had a problem with firing my kiln on spare the air days other than feeling
really lousy for the people who are having a difficult time breathing. It
is difficult to stop a firing that is into its third day, just because
someone in a suit and tie determines it is a spare the air day.
I'm rural but part of the San Francisco bay area and doubt I contribute as
much pollution as somebody heading to the mall in their beemer or as much
as a jet plane taking off or sitting to wait to take off.
bill in sebastopol
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Mike Gordon wrote:
> On 3/5/12 7:56 AM, "mel jacobson" wrote:
>
> but, what does a 25 year old newbie potter do? build a
>> 30 thousand dollar wood fired kiln, live rural and hope
>> to make a living? it will be hard.
>> and with pollution standards hitting a new high, what
>> happens when the `knock on the door` comes.
>> `sir, you are making smoke and salt fumes.`
>>
>
> Here in the S.F. Bay area we have "Spare The Air " days, no wood
> burning in fire places or wood stoves. 1st comes a warning, then a
> $400.00 fine. But they still allow 5000 cars & buses & trucks to fill
> the freeways with no penalty! What B.S.!! Mike Gordon
>
Mary & Wes Handrow on tue 6 mar 12
I built and fire my wood fire kiln in my backyard after talking to neighbor=
s
first to see if any of them would care. The village has no rules because
and I quote "nobody has ever asked before". All they want is that I call
the Fire Dept. before firing (same rule if you burn leaves in your yard) an=
d
since one of the fire people lives two houses away he calls them for me.
But the stoking is the big thing, over stoke and you bet you will get lots
of black smoke pouring out the top of the stack, I try to keep the smoke a
nice gray, too much work splitting the wood to waste it by not burning it
effectively.
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