David Woof on mon 9 apr 12
""James says: ****this warmth would have to travel through mom's skin=3D2C =
mu=3D
scle=3D2C various layers of living what not=3D2Cpossibly a layer of adipose=
tis=3D
sue=3D2C and finally through a sac full of amniotic fluid. Doesn't seem too=
l=3D
ikely.****=3D20
=3D20
Good points of reasoning James=3D2C=3D20
=3D20
(1)Also note questions: would the mother's circulating blood adequately car=
=3D
ry the heat away from the belly to cooler regions of the body to be radiate=
=3D
d away to the usually lower ambient room temperature? And in heat generate=
=3D
d during casting: would the skin temp be greater when someone bakes bare be=
=3D
lly on the beach in full sun? =3D20
=3D20
(2)As to Lili's invitation for lawyers to weigh in on this: Attorneys have=
=3D
more liability for what they say than lay people do.=3D20
JD's could give legal opinions after researching case law=3D2C and MD's cou=
ld=3D
give medical opinions based on medical experience and studies=3D2C but the=
se=3D
things are involved and not bandied about in informal public discussions. =
=3D
=3D20
=3D20
Even though there seems to be a growing number of successful castings witho=
=3D
ut adverse incident=3D3B I take Lili's concerns as serious issues to consid=
er=3D
. Casting a preggy belly could become a legal morass if someone who had oth=
=3D
er difficulties during gestation chose to argue that the casting caused=3D2=
C =3D
contributed to=3D2C or exaserbated the condition.=3D20
=3D20
Now one not only has doctors and lawyers involved but your friendly neighbo=
=3D
rhood insurance agent with the million plus policy reminding you that you n=
=3D
eglected to buy or keep up the premiums.
=3D20
Maybe a TV doctor would pick this up if there was a sponsor with a product =
=3D
to sell. "Preggy Belly Heat Shielding Cream" or something.=3D20
=3D20
(3) as to why would anyone want to cast their belly: this sounds like a qu=
=3D
estion generated in a shame based society. I thinK we have the right to cho=
=3D
ose to cast any body part we celebrate and are proud of!!!=3D20
It was only a generation ago that women felt pressure to hide their bellies=
=3D
behind Maternity tents for dresses and were shamed into feeding artificial=
=3D
milk formulas rather than be seen feeding their babies from their breast.
=3D20
I also think that non pregnant men and women should cast their distended ab=
=3D
dominal forms and take pride in their accomplishment. Belly Pride!!!! Rais=
=3D
e consciousness! Install the belly casting on the grill of your monster tru=
=3D
ck! It's bought and paid for=3D3B flaunt it! Use it or lose it=3D2C as the=
say=3D
ing goes.=3D20
But observe that big bellies make other body parts appear smaller relative =
=3D
to overall form! And this may generate belly laughs.
=3D20
Love you all=3D2C big bellies or no bellies=3D2C
=3D20
David Woof.....who having fathered a "bunch" of kids=3D2C knows a little so=
me=3D
thing about beauty=3D2C lactating breasts and preggy bellies=3D2C and loves=
and=3D
admires them.=3D20
=3D20
But as James and Lili question=3D3B what would i do with all those belly ca=
st=3D
ings?=3D20
=3D20
Would a belly shrine sculpture be more interesting on the front lawn than a=
=3D
Virgin in a antique half buried porcelain bath tub. Either could represent=
=3D
the beauty and sanctity of life and motherhood if one so chose it to be so=
=3D
. No?
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=3D20
2e. Re: Cautious question about belly casts
Posted by: "James Freeman" jamesfreemanstudio@GMAIL.COM=3D20
Date: Mon Apr 9=3D2C 2012 1:26 pm ((PDT))=3D20
=3D20
My understanding is that the heat of the plaster curing would not be good f=
=3D
or the fetus. Ditto leaning against hot electric kilns. This was recommende=
=3D
d by a friend's midwife.---------------------------------------------------=
=3D
---------------- =3D20
=3D20
Plaster body moulds are ordinarily quite thin (which is why they are backed=
=3D
up with additional plaster once removed from the model). Thin cross-sectio=
=3D
ns=3D2C and even the surface of thicker ones=3D2C rarely seem to get uncomf=
orta=3D
bly hot=3D2C at least in my experience. Not the same as encasing one's hand=
s =3D
in a large bucket of plaster. How would the heat of the thin layer of plast=
=3D
er ever reach a foetus? Though it is accepted practice to leave plaster for=
=3D
ms undisturbed until the
exothermic reaction ceases (the plaster begins to cool)=3D2C plaster body c=
as=3D
ts are typically removed as soon as they start to warm up. Even if left in =
=3D
place=3D2C the plaster is hot for only a short time=3D2C and
=3D20
****this warmth would have to travel through mom's skin=3D2C muscle=3D2C va=
riou=3D
s layers of living whatnot=3D2C possibly a layer of adipose tissue=3D2C and=
fin=3D
ally through a sac full of amniotic fluid. Doesn't seem too likely.****=3D2=
0
=3D20
Having said this=3D2C I do agree with Lili completely: Why on earth would a=
ny=3D
one want such a relic? Given=3D2C however=3D2C that I am not a pregnant wom=
an=3D
=3D2Cand haven't been one in quite some time=3D2C I guess I have no way of =
unde=3D
rstanding the driving need to possess a cast of one's distended abdomen. Gi=
=3D
ven also the tremendous number of websites offering this service=3D2C there=
m=3D
ust indeed be a market for it. Try a belly cast on yourself=3D2C Jeff. Easy=
e=3D
nough to do=3D2C and the best possible way of determining just what the exp=
er=3D
ience is like. All it will cost you is a few rolls of fast-setting plaster =
=3D
splint. Paul Soldner impressed his pieces with a plaster "chop" molded in h=
=3D
is own belly button=3D2C so there isprecident!=3D20
All the best. ...James=3D20
=3D20
James Freeman =3D
Lili Krakowski on mon 9 apr 12
First: I can't believe women want a cast made of their preggers =3D
tummies! Nor can I imagine what it will be used for. Pasta bowl seems =3D
good...
However. How come no one yet has mentioned the woman should bring a =3D
note from her OB saying this procedure is ok, and will do not harm?
And make sure the husband/prospective father also agrees to it.
Hey, you lawyers out there...where are you?
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Pat Colyar on mon 9 apr 12
Yeah, I was waiting for someone with more authority to weigh in on
this. My understanding is that the heat of the plaster curing would
not be good for the fetus. Ditto leaning against hot electric kilns.
This was recommended by a friend's midwife. Pat
Colyar, in gorgeous Gold bar
On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> First: I can't believe women want a cast made of their preggers
> tummies! Nor can I imagine what it will be used for. Pasta bowl
> seems good...
>
> However. How come no one yet has mentioned the woman should bring
> a note from her OB saying this procedure is ok, and will do not harm?
> And make sure the husband/prospective father also agrees to it.
>
> Hey, you lawyers out there...where are you?
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
Steve Mills on mon 9 apr 12
On 9 Apr 2012, at 16:37, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> First: I can't believe women want a cast made of their preggers tummies=
!=3D
Nor can I imagine what it will be used for. Pasta bowl seems good...
>=3D20
> However. How come no one yet has mentioned the woman should bring a not=
e=3D
from her OB saying this procedure is ok, and will do not harm?
> And make sure the husband/prospective father also agrees to it.
>=3D20
> Hey, you lawyers out there...where are you?
>=3D20
Exercising restraint perhaps :-)
Steve M=3D
Laurie on mon 9 apr 12
Good points. Especially if you are in California where people sue each othe=
r at
the drop of a hat.
Our local potters group is getting ready to have a raku firing day and it
occurred to me that no one had brought up having a release of liability for=
m for
people to sign before participating. So now we have one. You like to think =
that
people are participating in these activities with an open mind and realizat=
ion
that there are potential hazards involved, but you still have to CYA legall=
y,
especially if it is something put on by an organization. Now if it was just=
a
group of friends getting together for a little raku party in someone's back=
yard,
I don't know. I hate having to even think of these things. But I would real=
ly
hate it if I got sued if there was an accident.
But back to the belly casts - using alginate should be okay as it is a cold
process. The alginate insulates the skin from the plaster bandages as they =
set
up. Plaster bandages are much cooler than using solid plaster, which I don'=
t
recommend at all, even though it would save an extra step in the mold makin=
g
process. It probably wouldn't hurt to have the client discuss it with her O=
B
first, though, if there is any question of safety.
Just my two cents',
Laurie in Sacramento
________________________________
From: Pat Colyar
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Mon, April 9, 2012 9:47:11 AM
Subject: Re: Cautious question about belly casts
Yeah, I was waiting for someone with more authority to weigh in on
this. My understanding is that the heat of the plaster curing would
not be good for the fetus. Ditto leaning against hot electric kilns.
This was recommended by a friend's midwife. Pat
Colyar, in gorgeous Gold bar
On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> First: I can't believe women want a cast made of their preggers
> tummies! Nor can I imagine what it will be used for. Pasta bowl
> seems good...
>
> However. How come no one yet has mentioned the woman should bring
> a note from her OB saying this procedure is ok, and will do not harm?
> And make sure the husband/prospective father also agrees to it.
>
> Hey, you lawyers out there...where are you?
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
James Freeman on mon 9 apr 12
My understanding is that the heat of the plaster curing would
not be good for the fetus. Ditto leaning against hot electric kilns.
This was recommended by a friend's midwife.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Plaster body moulds are ordinarily quite thin (which is why they are backed
up with additional plaster once removed from the model). Thin cross
sections, and even the surface of thicker ones, rarely seem to get
uncomfortably hot, at least in my experience. Not the same as encasing
one's hands in a large bucket of plaster.
How would the heat of the thin layer of plaster ever reach a foetus?
Though it is accepted practice to leave plaster forms undisturbed until the
exothermic reaction ceases (the plaster begins to cool), plaster body casts
are typically removed as soon as they start to warm up. Even if left in
place, the plaster is hot for only a short time, and this warmth would have
to travel through mom's skin, muscle, various layers of living whatnot,
possibly a layer of adipose tissue, and finally through a sac full of
amniotic fluid. Doesn't seem too likely.
Having said this, I do agree with Lili completely: Why on earth would
anyone want such a relic? Given, however, that I am not a pregnant woman,
and haven't been one in quite some time, I guess I have no way of
understanding the driving need to possess a cast of one's distended
abdomen. Given also the tremendous number of websites offering this
service, there must indeed be a market for it. Try a belly cast on
yourself, Jeff. Easy enough to do, and the best possible way of
determining just what the experience is like. All it will cost you is a
few rolls of fast-setting plaster splint. Paul Soldner impressed his
pieces with a plaster "chop" moulded in his own belly button, so there is
precident!
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish."
-Euripides
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Neil Estrick on tue 10 apr 12
I used to make face casts with 8th and 9th grade kids. As long as you pul=
=3D
l the=3D20
plaster off as soon as it sets firm enough, there's no danger of the heat=
=3D
burning=3D20
the skin. It won't even be as hot as a hot bath, so I can't imagine there=
=3D
being=3D20
any possible danger to the baby.
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