Lili Krakowski on tue 1 may 12
Oh, dear. If we knew then what we know now!
A wooden desk has been built to go into a "difficult" corner of the =3D
local hospital's ICU unit.
Now it appears it cannot go in there without an anti-bacterial finish.
I have contacted every possible paint and finish company no avail.
And hope some woodworking ClayArter has an idea.
I do not think the finish has to be the top layer...I think a =3D
"treatment" for the wood would be
acceptable...then topped with polyurethane or like that.
Any ideas?
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
James Freeman on tue 1 may 12
Lili...
Once the wooden desk is coated with polyurethane, it is completely encased
in a layer of plastic, and I don't see how any nasties in the wood could
make their way through. Also, wood itself has antibacterial properties. I
read a study once that showed that wooden cutting boards actually harbored
fewer bacteria than plastic or corian ones.
Having said that, the simplest procedure would be to have the unfinished
desk put in an ozone tent. As long as the humidity in the tent is at least
60%, all of the boogymen will be destroyed. The desk could then be
promptly coated with one's choice of finish. Many automobile
reconditioning shops have ozone generators and tents, as they use them to
eliminate stale and musty smells from car interiors.
Good luck with your project.
...James
James Freeman
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish."
-Euripides
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http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Lili Krakowski wr=
ote:
> Oh, dear. If we knew then what we know now!
>
> A wooden desk has been built to go into a "difficult" corner of the local
> hospital's ICU unit.
>
> Now it appears it cannot go in there without an anti-bacterial finish.
>
> I have contacted every possible paint and finish company no avail.
>
> And hope some woodworking ClayArter has an idea.
>
> I do not think the finish has to be the top layer...I think a "treatment"
> for the wood would be
> acceptable...then topped with polyurethane or like that.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
>
Lis Allison on tue 1 may 12
On May 1, 2012, James Freeman wrote:
> Lili...
>
> Once the wooden desk is coated with polyurethane....
Is it that they want the finished desk to have a surface that can be
cleaned of bacteria? So a surface that doesn't have little hidey places
for bacteria.... ie very smooth, and can withstand industrial strength
anti-bacterial cleaners.
A hospital supply company should know what is acceptable.
Lis
--
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Pine Ridge Studio
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James Freeman on tue 1 may 12
Lili...
I found this online, to back up what I said:
http://www.ozoneapplications.com/info/ozone_summary.htm
Take care.
...James
James Freeman
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish."
-Euripides
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Lili Krakowski wr=
ote:
> Oh, dear. If we knew then what we know now!
>
> A wooden desk has been built to go into a "difficult" corner of the local
> hospital's ICU unit.
>
> Now it appears it cannot go in there without an anti-bacterial finish.
>
> I have contacted every possible paint and finish company no avail.
>
> And hope some woodworking ClayArter has an idea.
>
> I do not think the finish has to be the top layer...I think a "treatment"
> for the wood would be
> acceptable...then topped with polyurethane or like that.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
>
Fredrick Paget on tue 1 may 12
If you google: "antibacterial paint" there is a lot of
information,It seems that they contain nano particles of silver so
they won't be cheap..
Fred Paget
--
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 1 may 12
Hi Lili,
Who's judrisduction is this under?
For Restsaurants or related, the Health Department for example, will not
accept any 'finishes' as such for Food areas...everything has to be either
Stainless Steel or Plastic Laminate or smooth Sheet Metal for horizontal
areas, or 'FRP' ( Fiberglass re-inforced product ) sheeting for vertical
surfaces, glued on, no 'Screws' or other Fasteners.
Baked Enamel used to be fine, probably still is, but is of course obscure o=
r
archaic now.
In theory, some alternatives are negotiable on a case by case basis, but, i=
n
practice this can be difficult.
Hospital settings, depending on the setting, can be worse of course as for
their requirements and, their realities.
I expect they will have to simply pull the Desk, and, obtain an approved
fixture.
Can you post some mages of the offending Desk onto some free-site and post
the link?
And also, can you locate and refer us to the applicible Codes under which
this Desk ( because of it's location status, ) must comply?
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
Oh, dear. If we knew then what we know now!
A wooden desk has been built to go into a "difficult" corner of the local
hospital's ICU unit.
Now it appears it cannot go in there without an anti-bacterial finish.
I have contacted every possible paint and finish company no avail.
And hope some woodworking ClayArter has an idea.
I do not think the finish has to be the top layer...I think a "treatment"
for the wood would be
acceptable...then topped with polyurethane or like that.
Any ideas?
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
POST, JOHN on tue 1 may 12
>Now it appears it cannot go in there without an anti-bacterial finish.
I go lots of places including hospitals and the last time I checked I do =
=3D
not have an anti-bacterial finish. Please don't tell the anti-bacterial =
=3D
authorities...
Ben Morrison on thu 3 may 12
I find it surprising that the hospital would still be relying on Anti-bacte=
rial chemical technology. There's been numberous studies and articles publi=
shed showing that anti-bacterial chemicals are not only ineffective, but le=
ss effective than a normal bar of soap. Sorry I don't have a good answer fo=
r you, but I figured I'd put in my two cents as I sat through a lecture on =
this subject recently.
-Ben
________________________________
From: "pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET"
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Help needed for wood project
Hi Lili,
Who's judrisduction is this under?
For Restsaurants or related, the Health Department for example, will not
accept any 'finishes' as such for Food areas...everything has to be either
Stainless Steel or Plastic Laminate or smooth Sheet Metal for horizontal
areas, or 'FRP' ( Fiberglass re-inforced product ) sheeting for vertical
surfaces, glued on, no 'Screws' or other Fasteners.
Baked Enamel used to be fine, probably still is, but is of course obscure o=
r
archaic now.
In theory, some alternatives are negotiable on a case by case basis, but, i=
n
practice this can be difficult.
Hospital settings, depending on the setting, can be worse of course as for
their requirements and, their realities.
I expect they will have to simply pull the Desk, and, obtain an approved
fixture.
Can you post some mages of the offending Desk onto some free-site and post
the link?
And also, can you locate and refer us to the applicible Codes under which
this Desk ( because of it's location status, ) must comply?
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
Oh, dear. If we knew then what we know now!
A wooden desk has been built to go into a "difficult" corner of the local
hospital's ICU unit.
Now it appears it cannot go in there without an anti-bacterial finish.
I have contacted every possible paint and finish company no avail.
And hope some woodworking ClayArter has an idea.
I do not think the finish has to be the top layer...I think a "treatment"
for the wood would be
acceptable...then topped with polyurethane or like that.
Any ideas?
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
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