Kim Hohlmayer on sat 2 jun 12
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ith fur and wings.=3DA0 On Tuesday I may be buying a house with a history o=
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nd.=3DA0 There is still the problem of bat guano and hystoplasmosis (I thin=
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flying.=3DA0 Then there is the respirator I'm supposed to wear that must b=
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James Freeman on sun 3 jun 12
The general rule of rodents is that for every one you see, there are 100
that you don't see. You will never be rid of the bats, and you will never
close up all of their tiny access points. In the summer they will just be
flying in and out of your attic, but in the winter they will be flying from
the attic to the inside of your house, seeking warmth. Many of the very
old farm houses here have bats. I know one couple who keep a special bat
tennis racquet next to their bed. Another couple who have too soft of
hearts to dispatch the bats have mastered a sort of dance by which they
turn lights on and off in adjacent rooms until they have finally lured the
filthy vermin out to their porch, from which the bat is free to leave,
re-enter the attic, and reemerge inside the house to start the dance afresh=
.
Yes, yes, bats are wonderful creatures when they are outside, eating
mosquitoes. They are, however, far from wonderful when they infest one's
dwelling. Run, don't walk, the other way, and buy a different house!
Is "hantavirus" capitalized?
...James
James Freeman
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish."
-Euripides
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Kim Hohlmayer wrote=
:
> This is probably a first. Many have posted about bats but not the kind
> with fur and wings. On Tuesday I may be buying a house with a history of
> bats. There are now only a dozen or so because they did a pretty good jo=
b
> of blocking any and all openings except for an attic vent where a few
> found. There is still the problem of bat guano and hystoplasmosis (I thi=
nk
> I got that spelling right) a disease caused by a fungus and mold combo
> found in bat poo. I did the whole search thing but even medical folks
> don't seem to agree on just how creeped out I should be. Of course I ten=
d
> to err on the side of caution. I can seal up that last entry point but t=
he
> attic is really a series of tight spots and crawl ways under the eves, no=
t
> easy to clean. Although one medical/science type told me that the hot ,
> dry attic would eventually kill off the fungus and mold. On the other ha=
nd
> one site said to keep the mess wet when cleaning it to stop spores from
> flying. Then there is the respirator I'm supposed to wear that must be
> rated to 0.3 microns. Can I get that at my local ACE Hardware? I trus=
t
> potters more than most life forms so if you or someone you know has been
> through this, help! Thank you,
>
> Kim H.
>
>
>
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 3 jun 12
Hi Kim,
Far as I know, if cleaning up 'iffy' Guano, just keep it 'wet' as you
mention...and, you can even use 'Oxine' ( Chlorine DiOxide ) and probably
even add a dab of 'Basic H' ( which acts as a surfactant ) added to the
Water which will do a very nice job of disinfecting or destroying various
Spores or Viruses or Molds or whatever else as may be potentially in the
materials. So might appropriate Enzymes, for that matter.
The hazard with these things is primarily one of aspirating dessicated
airborne particles of material, so, keeping it wet eliminates that aspect.
Ideally, or if concerned about latent Viruses, one would also protect one's
Eyes I suppose, which is to say also, to limit any potential poits of entry=
,
such as Mucous Membranes, small cuts or lesions and so on on the Hands...so=
,
Elbow Length Rubber Gloves, and Goggles or Face Shield anyway, would be
imagined to be the ideal.
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Hohlmayer"
This is probably a first. Many have posted about bats but not the kind with
fur and wings. On Tuesday I may be buying a house with a history of bats.
There are now only a dozen or so because they did a pretty good job of
blocking any and all openings except for an attic vent where a few found.
There is still the problem of bat guano and hystoplasmosis (I think I got
that spelling right) a disease caused by a fungus and mold combo found in
bat poo. I did the whole search thing but even medical folks don't seem to
agree on just how creeped out I should be. Of course I tend to err on the
side of caution. I can seal up that last entry point but the attic is reall=
y
a series of tight spots and crawl ways under the eves, not easy to clean.
Although one medical/science type told me that the hot , dry attic would
eventually kill off the fungus and mold. On the other hand one site said to
keep the mess wet when cleaning it to stop spores from
flying. Then there is the respirator I'm supposed to wear that must be
rated to 0.3 microns. Can I get that at my local ACE Hardware? I trust
potters more than most life forms so if you or someone you know has been
through this, help! Thank you,
Kim H.
William & Susan Schran User on sun 3 jun 12
On 6/2/12 6:05 PM, "Kim Hohlmayer" wrote:
> On Tuesday I may be buying a house with a history of bats. There are
>now only a dozen or so because they did a pretty good job of blocking any
>and all openings except for an attic vent where a few found. There is
>still the problem of bat guano and hystoplasmosis (I think I got that
>spelling right) a disease caused by a fungus and mold combo found in bat
>poo... Then there is the respirator I'm supposed to wear that must be
>rated to 0.3 microns. Can I get that at my local ACE Hardware?
...And you may be buying this house because?
Sounds to me like to have potential disaster on your hands.
You need to negotiate having a professional come in and assess the problem
with the bat poop.
It may involve removing all of the insulation and replacing it!
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Kim Hohlmayer on mon 4 jun 12
Thank you to all responders.=3DA0 I need a house in Jewett, Ohio as my hubb=
y =3D
is too crazy to live with but has cancer and needs my care.=3DA0 Also, all =
my=3D
son's friends live here and he is too young to drive.=3DA0 I'm currently l=
iv=3D
ing with my 88 year old mom who is in much better health than my hubby.=3DA=
0 =3D
She lives 20 miles away.=3DA0 I have a very limited amount to spend and can=
't=3D
get a loan for more because crazy hubby ruined our credit.=3DA0 And I do m=
ea=3D
n ruined!=3DA0 So the bat house as I call it is in my price range and not t=
oo=3D
awful.=3DA0 I have been house hunting since January and this is the best I=
h=3D
ave found so far.=3DA0 I may write a book someday about the whole process a=
s =3D
it would be hilarious.=3DA0 And it has something to do with art and clay as=
a=3D
ll my house-hunting time has cut into my potting time.=3DA0 All the driving=
l=3D
iving away from my son's school and the sick husband not to mention the cos=
=3D
t of gasoline hasn't been good either.=3DA0 Oh well.=3DA0 Like I always tel=
l my=3D
son,
life may not be fair or easy but it is still well worth living.=3D0A=3D0AO=
n th=3D
e subject of bats and fear, I actually like bats.=3DA0 We adopted our son f=
ro=3D
m China and saw the "lucky bat" symbol many places.=3DA0 The word fu is use=
d =3D
for both "bat" and "luck" hence the idea that bats are lucky.=3DA0 I also v=
al=3D
ue their bug catching skills.=3DA0 I just don't want them using my attic as=
b=3D
edroom, nursery and bathroom.=3DA0 Will say though that they are quieter th=
an=3D
raccoons in ones attic.=3DA0 Had that one year back in Clark County, Ohio.=
=3D
=3DA0 Didn't sleep much until the babies grew up and the whole family moved=
o=3D
ut.=3D0A=3D0AThanks to all.=3DA0 I'll let you know what happens.=3DA0 -Kim =
H.=3D0A
Randall Moody on mon 4 jun 12
Once you get the large majority of bats out of the house you can make it
more attractive for them to be elsewhere. I have put up some bat boxes
before with very good result. Plans for them can be found on the internet.
Bats are fantastic at keeping flying insects down. The guano is another
issue entirely. Like most have said, if you wet it and wear a mask while
cleaning you should be fine.
--
Randall in Atlanta
http://wrandallmoody.com
David Woof on tue 5 jun 12
Hi Kim=3D2C Phil=3D2C all=3D2C
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Kim if you didn't know the bats were there=3D2C they would not be of concer=
n =3D
to you. In other words=3D3B no solution=3D2C then no problem=3D2C forward w=
ith th=3D
e mission. Humans and bats have co-exsited for as long as there have been =
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humans.=3D20
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If one caulks and paints one's living space. Keeps their trash piles away f=
=3D
rom the ceiling=3D2C so rats won't chew access holes for the bats=3D2C then=
in =3D
my experience and opinion the bats can be welcome neighbors upstairs.=3D20
=3D20
I don't have bats flying around my rooms because my living quarters are sea=
=3D
led from what is likely going on up in the attic=3D2C and who in a right fr=
am=3D
e of mind is going to go up in the attic and wallow around in bat poop anyw=
=3D
ay?
=3D20
I trust my finely tuned=3D2C through constant use=3D2C immune system to pro=
tect=3D
me from the B and V's of the natural world. The miniscule exposure we get =
=3D
from B and V's riding into our bodies on airborne dust=3D2C or cuts and scr=
at=3D
ches=3D2C is just enough to trigger our immune response to develop protecti=
ve=3D
antibodies. =3D20
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The more antiseptic we try to get our environment=3D3B the more dangerous i=
t =3D
becomes to us.=3D20
Early historic vaccinations for specific immunities were accomplished by pr=
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icking and scratching our skin and applying a solution containing a "weaken=
=3D
ed" strain of the virus.
=3D20
Human babies who are allowed play time outside in "natural clean dirt" surr=
=3D
oundings stick everything they can find and grasp with their grubby paws in=
=3D
to their mouth=3D2C eyes=3D2C nose or what ever body orifice and mucus memb=
rane=3D
is available at that particular moment=3D2C and are rarely if ever sick. W=
hy=3D
is this so? How much bat=3D2C mouse=3D2C and bug poo do they ingest durin=
g a =3D
"day in the park"
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My ancestors knew this intuitively=3D2C I have witnessed a lifetime of it b=
ei=3D
ng so.=3D20
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Of course I write this not as directive advice=3D2C but only as shared from=
m=3D
y personal experience=3D2C observation and opinion because the question was=
a=3D
sked in open forum.
=3D20
Do your own research=3D2C make your own decision.=3D20
=3D20
Don't be scared off from getting what you need by the fraidy freaks=3D2C wh=
o =3D
are already as good as dead because they are afraid to live....Gaahhrugh!!!=
=3D
(a vomit like sound of contempt for that crippling way of thinking=3D2C he=
nc=3D
e barely ever really living=3D2C and then dying.) And these fear driven fol=
ks=3D
are the very ones who most support a now global system that is poisoning u=
=3D
s and our earth home. The only home we have=3D2C the one I love=3D2C bats=
=3D2C bu=3D
gs=3D2C wind blown silica dust and all.
=3D20
Love to all....
=3D20
David Woof
__________________________________________________________________
10b. Re: WAY O T Bats
Posted by: "pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET" pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET=3D20
Date: Mon Jun 4=3D2C 2012 11:49 am ((PDT))=3D20
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