logan johnson on tue 19 jun 12
Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getti=3D
Hey There Gang !=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0AWell the wiring of my new studio is finally=
getti=3D
ng started.=3DA0 My biggest question is what gauge of wire should I have th=
e =3D
electrician use to go from the breaker box at the house to the first breake=
=3D
r box in the slightly larger than a two car garage sized studio 64 feet awa=
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y.=3DA0 Then to the=3DA0 dedicated to the kiln breaker box 39 feet away .=
=3DA0 it=3D
won't be a straight line it will have a left hand turn from one wall to an=
=3D
other.=3DA0=3DA0 We are having a partial metal shed type building that will=
be =3D
attached to the back of the new studio that will be a kiln shed.=3DA0 We ar=
e =3D
cutting a door in the back wall of the=3DA0 studio=3DA0 for indoor access s=
o I =3D
can roll my ware carts through to the kilns.=3DA0=3DA0 I will be putting in=
a b=3D
reaker box just for the kilns but I'm not sure where to put it yet so any a=
=3D
dvice would be very welcome.=3DA0 I'm not sure if we should put the box on =
th=3D
e studio side of the door or on the kiln shed side.=3DA0 The wiring will be=
b=3D
uried=3DA0 from the house to the
studio.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AI was think 4 gauge wire for everything but th=
en I sta=3D
rted second guessing my self & now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better=
=3D
.=3DA0 I would be happy to send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to desc=
ri=3D
be everything leaves you scratching your heads.=3DA0 Only one ^10 kiln will=
b=3D
e used at a time .=3DA0 I will be showing my electrician the recent posts=
=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3DA0about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I hate when=
I f=3D
orget the right names for things !)=3D0A=3D0AThanks for any advice you're w=
illi=3D
ng to share!=3D0ALogan=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ALogan Johnson =3D0AAudeo Studios=3D0A=
=3D0A3930 118th=3D
Pl.=3DA0 n.e.=3D0A=3D0AMarysville, Wa.=3D0A98271=3D0A(360) 651- 1478=3D0A =
=3D0A=3DA0www.au=3D
deostudios.com=3D0A"Carpe Argillam!!"
brandon2@SUPPORTYOURLOCALPOTTER.COM on tue 19 jun 12
Logan-
I'd run 100 amp service(if you're going to run multiple kilns the amps may
exceed this, so you'd have to go larger.) If the garage is detached
you'll have to have a main breaker panel(not just a main lug or shutoff)
where it enters the building, you may also have to install a grounding
rod, depends on your local code. Your electrician should know where to
locate it, he should also know the correct gauge wire to run, I believe
for 100amp you'd use 4g for copper or 2g for aluminum. Put breakers for
the kiln in the main garage panel, run wire to shutoffs (not breakers) at
the kiln if they're a good distance away from the main panel. Run
whatever gauge wire is appropriate for the rated amps (ex. 60amp typically
uses #6 wire). This size cable is nothing to play around with so if
you're not sure I'd definitely let an electrician take care of it. You
should be able to just tell him where you want things and they can make it
happen. I have a lot of experience with electrical but I am NOT an
electrician, so you can use my advice as a jumping off point but do the
proper research or hire someone to do it.
brandon phillips
supportyourlocalpotter.blogspot.com
> Hey There Gang !=C2
>
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getting started.=C2 My bigge=
st
> question is what gauge of wire should I have the electrician use to go
> from the breaker box at the house to the first breaker box in the slightl=
y
> larger than a two car garage sized studio 64 feet away.=C2 Then to the=
=C2
> dedicated to the kiln breaker box 39 feet away .=C2 it won't be a straig=
ht
> line it will have a left hand turn from one wall to another.=C2 =C2 We a=
re
> having a partial metal shed type building that will be attached to the
> back of the new studio that will be a kiln shed.=C2 We are cutting a doo=
r in
> the back wall of the=C2 studio=C2 for indoor access so I can roll my wa=
re
> carts through to the kilns.=C2 =C2 I will be putting in a breaker box ju=
st for
> the kilns but I'm not sure where to put it yet so any advice would be ver=
y
> welcome.=C2 I'm not sure if we should put the box on the studio side of =
the
> door or on the kiln shed side.=C2 The wiring will be buried=C2 from the=
house
> to the
> studio.=C2
>
>
> I was think 4 gauge wire for everything but then I started second guessin=
g
> my self & now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better.=C2 I would be ha=
ppy
> to send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to describe everything leaves
> you scratching your heads.=C2 Only one ^10 kiln will be used at a time .=
=C2 I
> will be showing my electrician the recent posts
>
> =C2 about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I hate when I
> forget the right names for things !)
>
> Thanks for any advice you're willing to share!
> Logan
>
>
> Logan Johnson
> Audeo Studios
>
> 3930 118th Pl.=C2 n.e.
>
> Marysville, Wa.
> 98271
> (360) 651- 1478
>
> =C2 www.audeostudios.com
> "Carpe Argillam!!"
>
Steve Mills on tue 19 jun 12
Logan, go for the heaviest duty cable possible. There is always voltage dr=
o=3D
p in long runs of cable to be compensated for.=3D20
The one time you HAVE to be specific is with having appropriate Breakers fo=
r=3D
the kilns et al. Other than that it's best to be over gunned AND go for Co=
p=3D
per wire.=3D20
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my iPod
On 19 Jun 2012, at 18:50, logan johnson wrote:
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getti
> Hey There Gang ! =3D20
>=3D20
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getting started. My biggest =
q=3D
uestion is what gauge of wire should I have the electrician use to go from =
t=3D
he breaker box at the house to the first breaker box in the slightly larger=
t=3D
han a two car garage sized studio 64 feet away. Then to the dedicated to =
t=3D
he kiln breaker box 39 feet away . it won't be a straight line it will hav=
e=3D
a left hand turn from one wall to another. We are having a partial metal=
s=3D
hed type building that will be attached to the back of the new studio that =
w=3D
ill be a kiln shed. We are cutting a door in the back wall of the studio =
f=3D
or indoor access so I can roll my ware carts through to the kilns. I will=
b=3D
e putting in a breaker box just for the kilns but I'm not sure where to put=
i=3D
t yet so any advice would be very welcome. I'm not sure if we should put t=
h=3D
e box on the studio side of the door or on the kiln shed side. The wiring =
w=3D
ill be buried from the house to the
> studio. =3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> I was think 4 gauge wire for everything but then I started second guessin=
g=3D
my self & now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better. I would be happy =
t=3D
o send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to describe everything leaves yo=
u=3D
scratching your heads. Only one ^10 kiln will be used at a time . I will=
b=3D
e showing my electrician the recent posts
>=3D20
> about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I hate when I forg=
e=3D
t the right names for things !)
>=3D20
> Thanks for any advice you're willing to share!
> Logan
>=3D20
>=3D20
> Logan Johnson=3D20
> Audeo Studios
>=3D20
> 3930 118th Pl. n.e.
>=3D20
> Marysville, Wa.
> 98271
> (360) 651- 1478
>=3D20
> www.audeostudios.com
> "Carpe Argillam!!"
jonathan byler on tue 19 jun 12
if your electrician is actually an electrician, they will know the
answers to all of this. that is their job.
On Jun 19, 2012, at 12:50 PM, logan johnson wrote:
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getti
> Hey There Gang !
>
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getting started. My
> biggest question is what gauge of wire should I have the electrician
> use to go from the breaker box at the house to the first breaker box
> in the slightly larger than a two car garage sized studio 64 feet
> away. Then to the dedicated to the kiln breaker box 39 feet
> away . it won't be a straight line it will have a left hand turn
> from one wall to another. We are having a partial metal shed type
> building that will be attached to the back of the new studio that
> will be a kiln shed. We are cutting a door in the back wall of the
> studio for indoor access so I can roll my ware carts through to the
> kilns. I will be putting in a breaker box just for the kilns but
> I'm not sure where to put it yet so any advice would be very
> welcome. I'm not sure if we should put the box on the studio side
> of the door or on the kiln shed side. The wiring will be buried
> from the house to the
> studio.
>
>
> I was think 4 gauge wire for everything but then I started second
> guessing my self & now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better. I
> would be happy to send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to
> describe everything leaves you scratching your heads. Only one ^10
> kiln will be used at a time . I will be showing my electrician the
> recent posts
>
> about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I hate when I
> forget the right names for things !)
>
> Thanks for any advice you're willing to share!
> Logan
>
>
> Logan Johnson
> Audeo Studios
>
> 3930 118th Pl. n.e.
>
> Marysville, Wa.
> 98271
> (360) 651- 1478
>
> www.audeostudios.com
> "Carpe Argillam!!"
Arnold Howard on tue 19 jun 12
On 6/19/2012 12:50 PM, logan johnson wrote:
> I was think 4 gauge wire for everything but then I started second
> guessing my self& now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better. I
> would be happy to send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to
> describe everything leaves you scratching your heads. Only one ^10
> kiln will be used at a time .
Logan, find the electrical specs for your kilns. You can probably find
that on the manufacturer's website. The specs should list the circuit
wire gauge. For every 50 feet of distance between the main breaker box
and the kiln, increase the circuit wire size by one gauge.
Enjoy your new studio!
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
William & Susan Schran User on wed 20 jun 12
On 6/19/12 1:50 PM, "logan johnson" wrote:
>Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getti
>Hey There Gang !
>
>Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getting started. My biggest
>question is what gauge of wire should I have the electrician use to go
>from the breaker box at the house to the first breaker box in the
>slightly larger than a two car garage sized studio 64 feet away. Then to
>the dedicated to the kiln breaker box 39 feet away . it won't be a
>straight line it will have a left hand turn from one wall to another.
>We are having a partial metal shed type building that will be attached to
>the back of the new studio that will be a kiln shed. We are cutting a
>door in the back wall of the studio for indoor access so I can roll my
>ware carts through to the kilns. I will be putting in a breaker box
>just for the kilns but I'm not sure where to put it yet so any advice
>would be very welcome. I'm not sure if we should put the box on the
>studio side of the door or on the kiln shed side. The wiring will be
>buried from the house to the
> studio.
>I was think 4 gauge wire for everything but then I started second
>guessing my self & now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better. I would
>be happy to send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to describe
>everything leaves you scratching your heads. Only one ^10 kiln will be
>used at a time . I will be showing my electrician the recent posts
>about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I hate when I
>forget the right names for things !)
You need to sit down and add up all the electrical requirements of the
studio.
Besides kiln and wheel, you will also need wall outlets.
Will you heat/cool the garage?
I would think you might want a 150 amp service panel in the garage.
Might want to consider a 200 amp panel and a separate line with meter so
you can easily deal with it as a business for taxes.
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Gerholdclay on wed 20 jun 12
Isn' t that type of decision the reason you are hiring an electrician! Jus=
t=3D
tell him what you are going to have on the circuit and he should figure it=
o=3D
ut. The only real interesting thing to think about is future additions to =
t=3D
he studio that might require electricity.
It is not hard to wire your own studio if you need to save money.
Paul
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, logan johnson wrote:
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getti
> Hey There Gang ! =3D20
>=3D20
> Well the wiring of my new studio is finally getting started. My biggest =
q=3D
uestion is what gauge of wire should I have the electrician use to go from =
t=3D
he breaker box at the house to the first breaker box in the slightly larger=
t=3D
han a two car garage sized studio 64 feet away. Then to the dedicated to =
t=3D
he kiln breaker box 39 feet away . it won't be a straight line it will hav=
e=3D
a left hand turn from one wall to another. We are having a partial metal=
s=3D
hed type building that will be attached to the back of the new studio that =
w=3D
ill be a kiln shed. We are cutting a door in the back wall of the studio =
f=3D
or indoor access so I can roll my ware carts through to the kilns. I will=
b=3D
e putting in a breaker box just for the kilns but I'm not sure where to put=
i=3D
t yet so any advice would be very welcome. I'm not sure if we should put t=
h=3D
e box on the studio side of the door or on the kiln shed side. The wiring =
w=3D
ill be buried from the house to the
> studio. =3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> I was think 4 gauge wire for everything but then I started second guessin=
g=3D
my self & now I'm wondering if 2 gauge would be better. I would be happy =
t=3D
o send pix to anyone if my feeble attempts to describe everything leaves yo=
u=3D
scratching your heads. Only one ^10 kiln will be used at a time . I will=
b=3D
e showing my electrician the recent posts
>=3D20
> about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I hate when I forg=
e=3D
t the right names for things !)
>=3D20
> Thanks for any advice you're willing to share!
> Logan
>=3D20
>=3D20
> Logan Johnson=3D20
> Audeo Studios
>=3D20
> 3930 118th Pl. n.e.
>=3D20
> Marysville, Wa.
> 98271
> (360) 651- 1478
>=3D20
> www.audeostudios.com
> "Carpe Argillam!!"
James Freeman on thu 21 jun 12
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:19 AM, David Woof wrote:
Please forget the 100 amp advice.
If you have a 200 amp panel at the source, let 200 amps run out and break
it down to your needs at the use points with breakers in sub panel(s).
Hey, David...
I think you may have overlooked one thing in your advice to run a 200 amp
shop sub-panel off of the house 200 amp supply. That 200 amps in the house
is for EVERYTHING; air conditioner, washer, dryer, freezer, refrigerator,
oven, furnace blower, dishwasher, maybe a water heater, sump pump, your
basement workshop tablesaw, air compressor in the garage, maybe a heat
pump, jacuzzi tub, lights, charging your Chevy Volt, and on and on. If you
are running a sub-panel from the house service, you can only take in the
studio whatever excess current remains after the house gets what it needs.
That is, the studio can only have the leftovers, which is always going to
be much less than the total 200 amps available. Why pay for bigger cable,
a bigger box, and bigger main breaker and feed breaker to run a 200 amp
sub-panel when you can never draw that much current out there anyway?
Also, I doubt you will get an electrician to spec out such an arrangement,
nor an inspector to OK it, but perhaps things are different in other
locales.
On a 100 amp sub-panel, you can simultaneously run all of your lights and
your wheel, plus a big kiln and a pugmill, a big kiln and a welder, a
pugmill and a welder, or even two medium-sized kilns. How often are you
going to be doing more than that? If you truly need 200 amp service in the
outbuilding, you are likely going to have to run dedicated service with
it's own meter.
In any case, no one should be getting their electrical service advice from
ClayArt. Except for simple circuits, it's just too much risk to go on
neighborly advice, no matter how well intentioned. That is what
electricians are for. Any licensed electricians on the list?
And yeah, I think we are likely flagellating a deceased equine.
Shalom.
...James
James Freeman
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish."
-Euripides
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
David Woof on thu 21 jun 12
Hi Logan=3D2C
=3D20
Steve makes a good point about "over gunning" on wire size.
=3D20
Not only must the over longer distance energy drops be considered=3D2C but =
wh=3D
at will be your future plans and needs? What other machinery will someday =
=3D
be added. It's a hassle having to fire one kiln at a time and not mix clay =
=3D
or weld at the same time because everything is dragging down and the wires =
=3D
are warming up.
=3D20
I doubt digging trenches and copper wire will ever get less expensive than =
=3D
right now=3D2C and it would be a double wasteful exercise in redundancy to =
ha=3D
ve to later run another line out.
=3D20
It shortens the life of motors to have to run on less than they were design=
=3D
ed for. And kilns waste time and energy as well when they are underfed. And=
=3D
your computor controls will likely have fits as well!
=3D20
Please forget the 100 amp advice.=3D20
=3D20
You protect your equipment by having the proper amperage circuit breaker in=
=3D
stalled at point of use=3D2C not by running the bare minimum volts and amps=
n=3D
ecessary.
=3D20
If you have a 200 amp panel at the source=3D2C let 200 amps run out and bre=
ak=3D
it down to your needs at the use points with breakers in sub panel(s). You=
=3D
will never have regrets=3D2C and just because you have the extra amps avai=
la=3D
ble on demand=3D2C you are not paying for them unless you use them. That =
is=3D
how electricity works. It only "flows" at the demand rate of the equipment=
=3D
being used and your electric meter measures only that amount.
=3D20
Well have I beat this to death? Should I stop now?
=3D20
Misneach everyone=3D2C
=3D20
David
_________________________________________________
=3D20
=3D20
4d. Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ? =3D20
Posted by: "Steve Mills" original.mudslinger@GMAIL.COM=3D20
Date:Wed Jun 20=3D2C 2012 12:23 pm ((PDT))=3D20
=3D20
Logan=3D2C go for the heaviest duty cable possible. There is always voltage=
d=3D
rop in long runs of cable to be compensated for. The one time you HAVE to b=
=3D
e specific is with having appropriate Breakers for the kilns et al. Other t=
=3D
han that it's best to be over gunned AND go for Copper wire. =3D20
Steve M
Steve MillsBathUKwww.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my iPod On 19 Jun 2012=3D2C at 18:50=3D2C=3D20
=3D20
logan johnson wrote: > Well the wiring of my new s=
=3D
tudio is finally getti> Hey There Gang ! > > Well the wiring of my new stud=
=3D
io is finally getting started. My biggest question is what gauge of wire sh=
=3D
ould I have the electrician use to go from the breaker box at the house =
=3D
=3D
dmcarts2u@AOL.COM on thu 21 jun 12
I've not seen this mentioned in this discussion so far...It's possible that=
=3D
the conductors from the breaker to the kiln my have to be derated as per N=
=3D
EC Table 310.15(B) (16). This table takes into account not only the gauge o=
=3D
f the conductor but also the type of conductor and the temperature limits o=
=3D
f all types of wiring. As per Skutt's spec's I was required to to have a 60=
=3D
Breaker, #6 Copper Wire the kiln draws 48 amps (240v) continues load with =
=3D
a 51-55 amp non continues load (early in the firing). By example: If the ki=
=3D
ln was wired to these spec's using a bundled cable like Romex or other Bund=
=3D
led cable the wiring insulation and outlet would exceed the temp. ranges in=
=3D
the Table I mentioned above. So, when all is said and done I needed to ins=
=3D
tall #4 conductors. This information was confirmed by Skutt. One of the onl=
=3D
y ways to meet Skutt's spec's using #6 conductors is to run rigid conduit s=
=3D
ized to accept 3-#6 wires. A good electrician should know this, but I have =
=3D
found several who didn't. Just a bit a information I thought would be good =
=3D
to pass along.
Michael
http://www.dmcarts.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David Woof
To: Clayart
Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ?
=3D20
=3D20
David Woof on thu 21 jun 12
Yes it is the electrician's "job" to figure it out. But I applaud Logan w=
=3D
ishing to know as well.
=3D20
Knowledge and basic understanding of many things is good in this complex wo=
=3D
rld though we may well wish to hire an able professional to do the actual w=
=3D
ork. I like to know enough to know when my Attorney=3D2C MD. Electrician=
=3D2C =3D
Mechanic=3D2C Plumber....may be bull shitting me=3D2C cutting corners....or=
per=3D
haps has misunderstood my question or concern because of my lack of clarity=
=3D
. Control freak? You decide=3D3B but the ultimate responsibility should r=
es=3D
t on each of us for decisions related to us.
=3D20
To be an informed participant in one's life=3D2C and not=3D2C by choice=3D2=
C an i=3D
gnorant passive consumer swept about by each successive sensation du jour i=
=3D
s a rewarding journey to awareness of self as being.
=3D20
Of course with awareness comes responsibility=3D2C oh my!!!
=3D20
My observation of Logan is of a woman who takes the bit in her teeth and ru=
=3D
ns full on. Go Logan.
=3D20
Woofin in Clarkdale.......
___________________________________________
=3D20
Re. Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ?=3D20
Posted by: "jonathan byler" jebyler2@GMAIL.COM=3D20
Date: Wed Jun 20=3D2C 2012 12:25 pm ((PDT))=3D20
=3D20
if your electrician is actually an electrician=3D2C they will know theanswe=
rs=3D
to all of this. that is their job.
=3D20
On Jun 19=3D2C 2012=3D2C at 12:50 PM=3D2C logan johnson wrote: > Well the=
wirin=3D
g of my new studio is finally getti> Hey There Gang !>> Well the wiring of =
=3D
my new studio is finally getting started. My> biggest question is what gaug=
=3D
e of wire should I have the electrician> use to go from the breaker box at =
=3D
the house to the first breaker box> in the slightly larger than a two car g=
=3D
arage sized studio 64 feet> away. Then to the dedicated to the kiln breaker=
=3D
box 39 feet> away . it won't be a straight line it will have a left hand t=
=3D
urn> from one wall to another. We are having a partial metal shed type> bui=
=3D
lding that will be attached to the back of the new studio that> will be a k=
=3D
iln shed. We are cutting a door in the back wall of the> studio for indoor =
=3D
access so I can roll my ware carts through to the> kilns. I will be putting=
=3D
in a breaker box just for the kilns but> I'm not sure where to put it yet =
=3D
so any advice would be very> welcome. I'm not sure if we should put the box=
=3D
on the studio side> of the door or on the kiln shed side. The wiring will =
=3D
be buried> from the house to the> studio.>>> I was think 4 gauge wire for e=
=3D
verything but then I started second> guessing my self & now I'm wondering i=
=3D
f 2 gauge would be better. I> would be happy to send pix to anyone if my fe=
=3D
eble attempts to> describe everything leaves you scratching your heads. Onl=
=3D
y one ^10> kiln will be used at a time . I will be showing my electrician t=
=3D
he> recent posts>> about the aluminum connector thingies as well. ( Gawd I =
=3D
hate when I> forget the right names for things !)>> Thanks for any advice y=
=3D
ou're willing to share!> Logan>>> Logan Johnson> Audeo Studios>> 3930 118th=
=3D
Pl. n.e.>> Marysville=3D2C Wa.> 98271> (360) 651- 1478>> www.audeostudios.=
co=3D
m> "Carpe Argillam!!" =3D
Laurie on thu 28 jun 12
About twelve years ago I had an electrician put in a new circuit for my the=
n-new
Skutt 1027. Even though the kiln manual calls for a 60 amp breaker he insis=
ted
on putting in only a 50 amp breaker because "he was the electrician". I got=
out
the manual and showed it to him and I insisted on a 60 amp breaker. I never=
felt
that I should have had to push someone who supposedly knew what he was doin=
g to
do it right. It made me realize that not all electricians know about kilns =
and
what is needed for them (and probably didn't like the "little lady" appeari=
ng to
know more about it than himself). It is good to be an informed participant!
Laurie in Sacramento (well, actually in Boise ID today)
________________________________
From: David Woof
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thu, June 21, 2012 5:49:32 PM
Subject: Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ?
Yes it is the electrician's "job" to figure it out. But I applaud Logan
wishing to know as well.
gsomdahl on fri 29 jun 12
The electrician may have selected the breaker to protect the wire that
had been installed. This is often done with significant margin. The 60
amp breaker probably brought the gauge of wire used in circuit very
close to its safety limits where a slightly loose or corroded connection
could become a fire hazard before tripping the breaker. Searching
several sites online shows a 50 AMP breaker is recommended by many sites
for 6AWG wire and show 6AWG maximum to 60 AMP be on sites.
On 06/28/2012 08:05 PM, Laurie wrote:
> About twelve years ago I had an electrician put in a new circuit for my t=
hen-new
> Skutt 1027. Even though the kiln manual calls for a 60 amp breaker he ins=
isted
> on putting in only a 50 amp breaker because "he was the electrician". I g=
ot out
> the manual and showed it to him and I insisted on a 60 amp breaker. I nev=
er felt
> that I should have had to push someone who supposedly knew what he was do=
ing to
> do it right. It made me realize that not all electricians know about kiln=
s and
> what is needed for them (and probably didn't like the "little lady" appea=
ring to
> know more about it than himself). It is good to be an informed participan=
t!
>
> Laurie in Sacramento (well, actually in Boise ID today)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Woof
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thu, June 21, 2012 5:49:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ?
>
> Yes it is the electrician's "job" to figure it out. But I applaud Logan
> wishing to know as well.
>
--
This is a post only account. Send replies to "gene" at my ".com" domain nam=
ed "somdahl".
Laurie on fri 29 jun 12
Thanks for that extra information! He also installed the wiring and I do no=
t
know for sure what he put in.
Laurie in Sacramento
________________________________
From: gsomdahl
To: Laurie ; Clayart
Sent: Fri, June 29, 2012 7:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ?
The electrician may have selected the breaker to protect the wire that had =
been
installed. This is often done with significant margin. The 60 amp breaker
probably brought the gauge of wire used in circuit very close to its safety
limits where a slightly loose or corroded connection could become a fire ha=
zard
before tripping the breaker. Searching several sites online shows a 50 AMP
breaker is recommended by many sites for 6AWG wire and show 6AWG maximum to=
60
AMP be on sites.
On 06/28/2012 08:05 PM, Laurie wrote:
> About twelve years ago I had an electrician put in a new circuit for my
>then-new
> Skutt 1027. Even though the kiln manual calls for a 60 amp breaker he ins=
isted
> on putting in only a 50 amp breaker because "he was the electrician". I g=
ot
out
> the manual and showed it to him and I insisted on a 60 amp breaker. I nev=
er
>felt
> that I should have had to push someone who supposedly knew what he was do=
ing
to
> do it right. It made me realize that not all electricians know about kiln=
s and
> what is needed for them (and probably didn't like the "little lady" appea=
ring
>to
> know more about it than himself). It is good to be an informed participan=
t!
>
> Laurie in Sacramento (well, actually in Boise ID today)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Woof
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thu, June 21, 2012 5:49:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Wiring to & in studio best gauge ?
>
> Yes it is the electrician's "job" to figure it out. But I applaud Logan
> wishing to know as well.
>
-- This is a post only account. Send replies to "gene" at my ".com" domain =
named
"somdahl".
Rimas VisGirda on sat 30 jun 12
Laurie writes:
About twelve years ago I had an electrician put in a new circuit for my the=
n-new
Skutt 1027. Even though the kiln manual calls for a 60 amp breaker he insis=
ted
on putting in only a 50 amp breaker because "he was the electrician". I got=
out
the manual and showed it to him and I insisted on a 60 amp breaker. I never=
felt
that I should have had to push someone who supposedly knew what he was doin=
g to
do it right. It made me realize that not all electricians know about kilns =
and
what is needed for them (and probably didn't like the "little lady" appeari=
ng to
know more about it than himself). It is good to be an informed participant!
I have been told that with a 50 amp breaker you can have a plug, whereas wi=
th a 60 amp breaker your device needs to be hard-wired... -Rimas
Robert Harris on sat 30 jun 12
I've got a plug on my 48A ConeArt 2327, with a 60A breaker.
I think that's about as high as you can go though!
Robert
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Rimas VisGirda wrote:
> Laurie writes:
> About twelve years ago I had an electrician put in a new circuit for my
> then-new
> Skutt 1027. Even though the kiln manual calls for a 60 amp breaker he
> insisted
> on putting in only a 50 amp breaker because "he was the electrician". I
> got out
> the manual and showed it to him and I insisted on a 60 amp breaker. I
> never felt
> that I should have had to push someone who supposedly knew what he was
> doing to
> do it right. It made me realize that not all electricians know about kiln=
s
> and
> what is needed for them (and probably didn't like the "little lady"
> appearing to
> know more about it than himself). It is good to be an informed participan=
t!
>
> I have been told that with a 50 amp breaker you can have a plug, whereas
> with a 60 amp breaker your device needs to be hard-wired... -Rimas
>
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Rimas VisGirda on sat 30 jun 12
Oops... Just realized I was looking at the wrong end... KILNS are engineere=
d/rated less than 50 amps so that they can be wired up with a plug; if over=
50 then they need to be hard-wired. So it makes sense that one might want =
a breaker that is rated somewhat higher than the device... Hope I got that =
right, no doubt I will soon discover that I didn't... -Rimas
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From: Robert Harris
I've got a plug on my 48A ConeArt 2327, with a 60A breaker.
I think that's about as high as you can go though!
Robert
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