Nancy Gallagher on tue 3 jul 12
By what I was told, the mine in NY that Nytal was gotten from is running
out/closed or has run into some sort of similar trouble. My local
supplier along with many other suppliers have switched to Texas Talc -
or 'ugly battleship gray talc' as I call it.
Yes, I know it fires white but I have a slip recipe (which is very
reliable for all my clay bodies and I prefer not to start in with
another) which has 15% talc and this Texas talc makes for very ugly
freshly slipped pots. I know, that sounds silly, but I love the look of
the fresh, creamy white just-slipped pots. The gray talc in comparison
makes the slip look like dirty city snow.
I was wondering, if I were to purchase a few large bottles of Johnson's
original baby powder, which is only talc and fragrance, do you think the
fragrance would mess anything up and is there any difference between
this talc and a ceramic grade talc? I do know enough to test, but if
someone has tried this already and found it didn't work out, it could
save me from buying a few large bottles of powder that I wouldn't use
for anything else.
thanks,
Nancy
Nancy Gallagher
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Want to adopt a basset hound? Visit http://www.dailydrool.com
KATHI LESUEUR on tue 3 jul 12
On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Nancy Gallagher wrote:
> By what I was told, the mine in NY that Nytal was gotten from is =3D
running
> out/closed or has run into some sort of similar trouble. My local
> supplier along with many other suppliers have switched to Texas Talc -
> or 'ugly battleship gray talc' as I call it.>>>
The mine was closed because the talc contained "asbestos like fibers". =3D
It was a health concern.
I used Texas talc for many years in a number of glazes with no problem. =3D
However, several years ago they started mining "on the other side of the =
=3D
mountain". That talc is very different. The chemical formula differs =3D
significantly from the original and can affect your glazes. One of my =3D
most popular glazes started pooling on the edges and running off of the =3D
pots. Ron Roy reformulated the glaze for me, taking out the talc in the =3D
process. I'd suggest anyone switching to Texas talc thoroughly test it =3D
before mixing a large batch of glaze.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
James Freeman on tue 3 jul 12
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Nancy Gallagher wrot=
e:
By what I was told, the mine in NY that Nytal was gotten from is running
out/closed or has run into some sort of similar trouble. My local
supplier along with many other suppliers have switched to Texas Talc -
or 'ugly battleship gray talc' as I call it.
Last I checked, Columbus Clay (www.columbusclay.com) still had a supply of
Nytal. It is not listed on their product page, but it might be worth a
call or email. I bought a couple of bags when the mine fell victim to a
lawsuit a few years ago, just so I wouldn't have to change things.
Nytal had some sort of asbestos-like fibers in it. They are not asbestos,
but apparently looked enough like it to convince a jury to kill the mine.
Whatever the fibers are, I assume you wear a dust mask.
Take care.
...James
James Freeman
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish."
-Euripides
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
ronroy@CA.INTER.NET on tue 3 jul 12
Hi Nancy,
You would need the analysis for the baby talc - but I don't think they
use talc anymore.
Perhaps you could calcine the texas talc - the grey is probably
something organic that can be burned off. Put a bit in a bisque firing
- in a little clay cup to see if it comes out white.
If you want to go that way I can do the conversion for you - all I
need is the kind of Texas Talc you want to use.
RR
Quoting Nancy Gallagher :
> By what I was told, the mine in NY that Nytal was gotten from is running
> out/closed or has run into some sort of similar trouble. My local
> supplier along with many other suppliers have switched to Texas Talc -
> or 'ugly battleship gray talc' as I call it.
>
> Yes, I know it fires white but I have a slip recipe (which is very
> reliable for all my clay bodies and I prefer not to start in with
> another) which has 15% talc and this Texas talc makes for very ugly
> freshly slipped pots. I know, that sounds silly, but I love the look of
> the fresh, creamy white just-slipped pots. The gray talc in comparison
> makes the slip look like dirty city snow.
>
> I was wondering, if I were to purchase a few large bottles of Johnson's
> original baby powder, which is only talc and fragrance, do you think the
> fragrance would mess anything up and is there any difference between
> this talc and a ceramic grade talc? I do know enough to test, but if
> someone has tried this already and found it didn't work out, it could
> save me from buying a few large bottles of powder that I wouldn't use
> for anything else.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Nancy
>
>
> Nancy Gallagher
> http://www.gallagherpottery.com
> Want to adopt a basset hound? Visit http://www.dailydrool.com
>
Nancy Gallagher on tue 3 jul 12
Thanks I will try and run it through a bisque fire (figures... I have
one going now!) I have 25# of it, so it would be nice to be able to use
it in the slip if I can!
Nancy
On 7/3/12 4:47 PM, ronroy@ca.inter.net wrote:
> Hi Nancy,
>
> You would need the analysis for the baby talc - but I don't think they
> use talc anymore.
>
> Perhaps you could calcine the texas talc - the grey is probably
> something organic that can be burned off. Put a bit in a bisque firing
> - in a little clay cup to see if it comes out white.
>
> If you want to go that way I can do the conversion for you - all I
> need is the kind of Texas Talc you want to use.
>
> RR
>
>
fran johnson on thu 5 jul 12
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ronroy@CA.INTER.NET on thu 5 jul 12
Thanks Fran - good to know - now if we only had an analysis!
RR
Quoting fran johnson :
> I just looked at a container of Johnson's baby powder that I bought =3D20
> last week. Ingredients are talc and fragrance. I think you are =3D20
> remembering when cornstarch was substituted for talc.
> Manufatuurers went back to talc some time ago.
> =3DA0
> Fran
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "ronroy@CA.INTER.NET"
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Missing White Talc
>
> Hi Nancy,
>
> You would need the analysis for the baby talc - but I don't think they
> use talc anymore.
>
> Perhaps you could calcine the texas talc - the grey is probably
> something organic that can be burned off. Put a bit in a bisque firing
> - in a little clay cup to see if it comes out white.
>
> If you want to go that way I can do the conversion for you - all I
> need is the kind of Texas Talc you want to use.
>
> RR
>
>
> Quoting Nancy Gallagher :
>
>> By what I was told, the mine in NY that Nytal was gotten from is runni=
=3D
ng
>> out/closed or has run into some sort of similar trouble. My local
>> supplier along with many other suppliers have switched to Texas Talc -
>> or 'ugly battleship gray talc' as I call it.
>>
>> Yes, I know it fires white but I have a slip recipe (which is very
>> reliable for all my clay bodies and I prefer not to start in with
>> another) which has 15% talc and this Texas talc makes for very ugly
>> freshly slipped pots. I know, that sounds silly, but I love the look o=
=3D
f
>> the fresh, creamy white just-slipped pots. The gray talc in comparison
>> makes the slip look like dirty city snow.
>>
>> I was wondering, if I were to purchase a few large bottles of Johnson'=
=3D
s
>> original baby powder, which is only talc and fragrance, do you think t=
=3D
he
>> fragrance would mess anything up and is there any difference between
>> this talc and a ceramic grade talc? I do know enough to test, but if
>> someone has tried this already and found it didn't work out, it could
>> save me from buying a few large bottles of powder that I wouldn't use
>> for anything else.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>> Nancy Gallagher
>> http://www.gallagherpottery.com/
>> Want to adopt a basset hound? Visit http://www.dailydrool.com/
>>
>
Gayle Bair on thu 5 jul 12
I recall the issue over Talc and asbestos years ago.
Here's a couple articles
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/OtherCarcinogens/AtHome/talcum-po=
wder-and-cancer
http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/cosmetics/talc.htm
It's not just the issue of asbestos but silica also
Gayle
Gayle Bair Pottery
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:18 PM, wrote:
> Thanks Fran - good to know - now if we only had an analysis!
>
> RR
>
>
> Quoting fran johnson :
>
> I just looked at a container of Johnson's baby powder that I bought last
>> week. Ingredients are talc and fragrance. I think you are remembering wh=
en
>> cornstarch was substituted for talc.
>> Manufatuurers went back to talc some time ago.
>>
>> Fran
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**__
>> From: "ronroy@CA.INTER.NET"
>> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: Missing White Talc
>>
>> Hi Nancy,
>>
>> You would need the analysis for the baby talc - but I don't think they
>> use talc anymore.
>>
>> Perhaps you could calcine the texas talc - the grey is probably
>> something organic that can be burned off. Put a bit in a bisque firing
>> - in a little clay cup to see if it comes out white.
>>
>> If you want to go that way I can do the conversion for you - all I
>> need is the kind of Texas Talc you want to use.
>>
>> RR
>>
>>
>> Quoting Nancy Gallagher :
>>
>> By what I was told, the mine in NY that Nytal was gotten from is runnin=
g
>>> out/closed or has run into some sort of similar trouble. My local
>>> supplier along with many other suppliers have switched to Texas Talc -
>>> or 'ugly battleship gray talc' as I call it.
>>>
>>> Yes, I know it fires white but I have a slip recipe (which is very
>>> reliable for all my clay bodies and I prefer not to start in with
>>> another) which has 15% talc and this Texas talc makes for very ugly
>>> freshly slipped pots. I know, that sounds silly, but I love the look of
>>> the fresh, creamy white just-slipped pots. The gray talc in comparison
>>> makes the slip look like dirty city snow.
>>>
>>> I was wondering, if I were to purchase a few large bottles of Johnson's
>>> original baby powder, which is only talc and fragrance, do you think th=
e
>>> fragrance would mess anything up and is there any difference between
>>> this talc and a ceramic grade talc? I do know enough to test, but if
>>> someone has tried this already and found it didn't work out, it could
>>> save me from buying a few large bottles of powder that I wouldn't use
>>> for anything else.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>>
>>> Nancy Gallagher
>>> http://www.gallagherpottery.**com/
>>> Want to adopt a basset hound? Visit http://www.dailydrool.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
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