Gerholdclay on mon 23 jul 12
If a person's only reason for education is to make more money it indicates =
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poverty of soul that will probably make the endeavor a waste of time.
Paul
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:47 AM, John Britt wrote=
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> Vince,
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> You obviously don't want to know the truth. Not one who regrets it??? Co=
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> on!
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> Try Google: http://www.artfagcity.com/2011/10/17/should-i-get-an-mfa/
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> Where are the numbers ? Graduates? Still working in the field after 10
> years? Pay? Cost?
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> Cough up some facts (sort of like a cat with a fur ball) and I am willin=
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> to change my opinion, not antidotes from inside the ivory tower!
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> What happened to diversity and rigorous debate within the University?
> Can't you go to the placement office and get the numbers? or on the
> Government Census ...the numbers. Might scare you.....
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> john britt pottery
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> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Vince Pitelka wro=
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e:
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>> John Britt wrote:
>> "So I guess you aren't going to provide any facts about the jobs of your
>> current and former students ( or MFA students in general) or their salar=
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,
>> etc? Guess it is too scary to actually see the numbers?"
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>> John -
>> You are trying to sound confident of your statements, but they are full =
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>> flaws and inaccuracies. I am in the thick of art academia and have been =
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>> 27 years. I know many dozens of other art academics who are committed a=
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>> hard working and keep at it because we know it works very well. As I sa=
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d,
>> I do not know a single BFA or MFA grad who regrets the investment of tim=
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>> and money, and that is all that matters. They are satisfied with how it
>> has
>> trained them for a career in art, and if they chose to go off and do
>> something else, they are satisfied with the way it enriched their lives =
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nd
>> gave them a far broader perspective on the world. So you can stop beati=
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>> the tired old dead horse of "where are the facts."
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>> You wrote:
>> "One more thing before I go...my favorite is when tenured professors bit=
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>> about teaching one class a term. And the thought of teaching two is almo=
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>> unthinkable... Which makes the summer break almost a necessity."
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>> John, it is interesting how you keep dredging up every negative thing yo=
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>> can possibly think of to say about art academia, and almost all of it
>> completely inaccurate. How can you say you are not bitter or angry? It=
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s
>> true that in the best research universities the faculty have a very ligh=
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>> teaching load, but that is specifically because they are suppose to be
>> focusing on research and/or creative work and/or writing. That is how a
>> lot
>> of the best research, creative work, and writing gets done. Would you w=
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nt
>> to diminish that? Almost all of the art academics I know have a much
>> heavier teaching load and work very hard at their job, but they love it =
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nd
>> feel very lucky to have a university teaching job.
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>> You wrote:
>> "Not bitter or upset or angry, just telling it like it is."
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>> No, you are simply repeating your own very negative and distorted view o=
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>> art academia.
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>> You wrote:
>> "You have your perspective and I have mine and since you aren't providin=
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>> any facts to substantiate the position- that today an MFA is worth the
>> money
>> - how can I be moved to change my perspective?"
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>> You have made it abundantly clear that you are not about to change your
>> perspective despite my explanations and reasoning. You are the one spew=
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ng
>> completely inaccurate and unsubstantiated information. My perspective i=
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>> that of a committed and well-connected art academic with 27 years of
>> professional experience teaching in colleges and universities. No boast=
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>> or
>> hollow claims, just telling it like it is.
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>> At this point I don't expect to convince you of anything, but I do want
>> other Clayart readers to get an accurate picture of art academia. In
>> general terms, it is important that people speak up when someone is
>> spreading such inaccurate information, and I do so based on my own
>> professional experience and my convictions that art academia is importan=
t=3D
>> and works very well and is still the best way for a person to deeply
>> immerse
>> themselves in art in order to quickly gain experience, direction, and
>> confidence as an artist, an art teacher, or a well-rounded citizen of th=
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>> world.
>> - Vince
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>> Vince Pitelka
>> Appalachian Center for Craft
>> Tennessee Tech University
>> vpitelka@dtccom.net
>> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
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> --
> Regards,
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> John
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> John Britt Pottery 154 Sparks Road Bakersville NC 28705
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> AWESOME VIDEOS - OK NOT TOTALLY AWESOME BUT GOOD AND FREE:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/johnbrittpottery
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> AWESOME BLOG: http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com
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> WEBPAGE: www.johnbrittpottery.com
John Britt on mon 23 jul 12
Paul, it is not an "only " proposition.
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Gerholdclay wrot=
e:
> If a person's only reason for education is to make more money it indicate=
s
> a poverty of soul that will probably make the endeavor a waste of time.
>
> Paul
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:47 AM, John Britt
> wrote:
>
> > Vince,
> >
> > You obviously don't want to know the truth. Not one who regrets it???
> Come
> > on!
> >
> > Try Google: http://www.artfagcity.com/2011/10/17/should-i-get-an-mfa/
> >
> >
> > Where are the numbers ? Graduates? Still working in the field after 10
> > years? Pay? Cost?
> >
> > Cough up some facts (sort of like a cat with a fur ball) and I am
> willing
> > to change my opinion, not antidotes from inside the ivory tower!
> >
> > What happened to diversity and rigorous debate within the University?
> > Can't you go to the placement office and get the numbers? or on the
> > Government Census ...the numbers. Might scare you.....
> >
> > john britt pottery
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Vince Pitelka
> wrote:
> >
> >> John Britt wrote:
> >> "So I guess you aren't going to provide any facts about the jobs of yo=
ur
> >> current and former students ( or MFA students in general) or their
> salary,
> >> etc? Guess it is too scary to actually see the numbers?"
> >>
> >> John -
> >> You are trying to sound confident of your statements, but they are ful=
l
> of
> >> flaws and inaccuracies. I am in the thick of art academia and have bee=
n
> for
> >> 27 years. I know many dozens of other art academics who are committed
> and
> >> hard working and keep at it because we know it works very well. As I
> said,
> >> I do not know a single BFA or MFA grad who regrets the investment of
> time
> >> and money, and that is all that matters. They are satisfied with how =
it
> >> has
> >> trained them for a career in art, and if they chose to go off and do
> >> something else, they are satisfied with the way it enriched their live=
s
> and
> >> gave them a far broader perspective on the world. So you can stop
> beating
> >> the tired old dead horse of "where are the facts."
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "One more thing before I go...my favorite is when tenured professors
> bitch
> >> about teaching one class a term. And the thought of teaching two is
> almost
> >> unthinkable... Which makes the summer break almost a necessity."
> >>
> >> John, it is interesting how you keep dredging up every negative thing
> you
> >> can possibly think of to say about art academia, and almost all of it
> >> completely inaccurate. How can you say you are not bitter or angry?
> It is
> >> true that in the best research universities the faculty have a very
> light
> >> teaching load, but that is specifically because they are suppose to be
> >> focusing on research and/or creative work and/or writing. That is how=
a
> >> lot
> >> of the best research, creative work, and writing gets done. Would you
> want
> >> to diminish that? Almost all of the art academics I know have a much
> >> heavier teaching load and work very hard at their job, but they love i=
t
> and
> >> feel very lucky to have a university teaching job.
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "Not bitter or upset or angry, just telling it like it is."
> >>
> >> No, you are simply repeating your own very negative and distorted view
> of
> >> art academia.
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "You have your perspective and I have mine and since you aren't
> providing
> >> any facts to substantiate the position- that today an MFA is worth the
> >> money
> >> - how can I be moved to change my perspective?"
> >>
> >> You have made it abundantly clear that you are not about to change you=
r
> >> perspective despite my explanations and reasoning. You are the one
> spewing
> >> completely inaccurate and unsubstantiated information. My perspective
> is
> >> that of a committed and well-connected art academic with 27 years of
> >> professional experience teaching in colleges and universities. No
> boasts
> >> or
> >> hollow claims, just telling it like it is.
> >>
> >> At this point I don't expect to convince you of anything, but I do wan=
t
> >> other Clayart readers to get an accurate picture of art academia. In
> >> general terms, it is important that people speak up when someone is
> >> spreading such inaccurate information, and I do so based on my own
> >> professional experience and my convictions that art academia is
> important
> >> and works very well and is still the best way for a person to deeply
> >> immerse
> >> themselves in art in order to quickly gain experience, direction, and
> >> confidence as an artist, an art teacher, or a well-rounded citizen of
> the
> >> world.
> >> - Vince
> >>
> >> Vince Pitelka
> >> Appalachian Center for Craft
> >> Tennessee Tech University
> >> vpitelka@dtccom.net
> >> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> > John Britt Pottery 154 Sparks Road Bakersville NC 28705
> >
> > AWESOME VIDEOS - OK NOT TOTALLY AWESOME BUT GOOD AND FREE:
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/johnbrittpottery
> >
> > AWESOME BLOG: http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com
> >
> > WEBPAGE: www.johnbrittpottery.com
>
--
Regards,
John
John Britt Pottery 154 Sparks Road Bakersville NC 28705
AWESOME VIDEOS - OK NOT TOTALLY AWESOME BUT GOOD AND FREE:
http://www.youtube.com/user/johnbrittpottery
AWESOME BLOG: http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com
WEBPAGE: www.johnbrittpottery.com
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