Clay on tue 24 jul 12
The bat pins in my old Oscar Paul wheel were different. plastibats used to =
c=3D
ome without pre-drilled holes too. Drilled all mine. Had to redrill theml w=
h=3D
en I bought my Pacifica. Those plastibats last forever!
Linda Stauffer
http://www.lindastauffer.com
http://www.katiestauffer.org
On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:22 PM, Gregg Lindsley wrote:
> I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> inches'.
> Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, i=
f=3D
> you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
> manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
> closer together?
> --
> Gregg Lindsley
> Earth and Fire Pottery
> P.O. Box 402
> Cobb, Ca., 95426
> 707-490-7168
> www.earthandfirepottery.net
> "Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
Snail Scott on tue 24 jul 12
On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Gregg Lindsley wrote:
> I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> inches'.
Some bats are actually manufactured with several
different pin spacing holes. I think ten inches is
popular because it's a nice whole number (in
US measurements anyway) which is far enough
away from the edge of a 12" wheelhead to leave
the edge strong and avoid chipping out (with brittle or
wooden bats) while taking advantage of a large
radius for stability. The closer the pins are to the
center, the more torque would be applied to them;
also, any 'wobble' would translate into a wider angle
of motion. Ten inches seems like a good compromise
standard, I'm guessing. As to who that influential
arbiter of spacing is...probably the same one that
decided 50# boxes of clay are perfect, too.
-Snail
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 24 jul 12
The closer to the center the Bat Pins are, the more any sloppiness of the
Bat Holes is amplified.
The farther apart they are, the more any sloppiness or wear of the Bat Hole=
s
is the least interfering.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Lindsley"
> I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> inches'.
> Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, i=
f
> you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
> manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
> closer together?
> --
> Gregg Lindsley
> Earth and Fire Pottery
> P.O. Box 402
> Cobb, Ca., 95426
> 707-490-7168
> www.earthandfirepottery.net
> "Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
Earl Krueger on tue 24 jul 12
Greg,
For me with the pins 10 in apart I can choose whether to use a bat or not
without taking the pins out.
For small objects I can lift off the wheel without deforming too much I
don't use a bat. Saves space on the drying rack and the pins don't bother
me.
If I want to switch to a large bowl I just slap a bat on and go.
But like you I have thought that small bats might be nice at times. I
think I remember someone putting bat pins closer together in a bat with
regular spaced holes. Then they could put the modified bat on the wheel as
a driver for smaller bats.
Earl in Oregon
who just made a dozen toothpick holders as kiln fillers without using a bat=
.
On Jul 24, 2012 7:20 PM, "Gregg Lindsley" wrote:
> I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> inches'.
> Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, i=
f
> you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
> manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
> closer together?
> --
> Gregg Lindsley
> Earth and Fire Pottery
> P.O. Box 402
> Cobb, Ca., 95426
> 707-490-7168
> www.earthandfirepottery.net
> "Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
>
Gregg Lindsley on tue 24 jul 12
I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
inches'.
Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, if
you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
closer together?
--
Gregg Lindsley
Earth and Fire Pottery
P.O. Box 402
Cobb, Ca., 95426
707-490-7168
www.earthandfirepottery.net
"Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
JRodgers on wed 25 jul 12
why indeed. I make my own bats and have non-standard bat pins. Serves my
purposes much better. I have some special made bats of aluminum with
groves machines in them for special purposes. Those aluminum bats needed
bigger pins, so I drilled the heads to accept bigger diameter screws
with much larger screw heads. Works for me.
John
On 7/24/2012 6:22 PM, Gregg Lindsley wrote:
> I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> inches'.
> Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, i=
f
> you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
> manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
> closer together?
> --
> Gregg Lindsley
> Earth and Fire Pottery
> P.O. Box 402
> Cobb, Ca., 95426
> 707-490-7168
> www.earthandfirepottery.net
> "Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
>
Steve Mills on wed 25 jul 12
Gregg,=3D20
We haven't had a "Batt Pin Standard" here per se, but the importation of wh=
e=3D
els with pins is likely to establish the 10" rule by default. Prior to this=
s=3D
ome wheels were made with one centre pin and one offset threaded into the h=
e=3D
ad, but this results in excessive wear with no chance of a successful re-dr=
i=3D
ll in the batts used.=3D20
Talisman Wheels were imported from Oz with pre-drilled and threaded two pin=
h=3D
eads about (if memory serves) 6" apart, but never really caught on.=3D20
I came to appreciating using plain holes with pins and wing-nuts some years=
a=3D
go, so installed them on my own wheel, but 8" apart, and when asked to do t=
h=3D
e same for customers made up a jig for the purpose using the same measureme=
n=3D
ts.=3D20
I used 8" spacing originally because 10" wheel-heads we're the norm over he=
r=3D
e, anything bigger was pretty unusual.=3D20
I bought my VL with a plain head to allow me to drill it to suit my stock o=
f=3D
8" drilled batts.=3D20
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my iPod
On 25 Jul 2012, at 00:22, Gregg Lindsley wrote:
> I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> inches'.
> Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, i=
f=3D
> you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
> manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
> closer together?
> --
> Gregg Lindsley
> Earth and Fire Pottery
> P.O. Box 402
> Cobb, Ca., 95426
> 707-490-7168
> www.earthandfirepottery.net
> "Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
David Woof on wed 25 jul 12
Gregg=3D2C Everyone=3D2C
Greetings=3D2C =3D20
There are also batt pin configurations for production throwing where there =
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is one central "pointy" pivot pin at dead center in the wheel head=3D2C and=
o=3D
ne conventional pin placed in an outer "orbit" on the wheel head.
Several holes distributed outward from center allow one to place the conven=
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tional pin (singular) according to batt size needed=3D2C which batts are dr=
il=3D
led with corresponding hole placements. (Very fast and accurate placement a=
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nd removal strategy)
I leave my batt pins rusted in and throw everything on a batt surface even =
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when throwing remove by hand "finger pick" forms.
David Woof......from MingeiZona....how you like dem apples Lee? habla se S=
=3D
panglish? si=3D2C hey der ya sure!!! oops I'm about to get profiled!!! sure=
! =3D
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Arizona=3D3B no place to have a sun tan and an accent other than "Prescitt"=
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short and hard on the "t") (Pronounced like biscuit.) Snow Birds never get =
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it right=3D2C they all want to say "Prescott"
Have a great day everyone! no matter what else!!!
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Taylor Hendrix on wed 25 jul 12
What really helped me with my bat pin placement was to set my bat pins at
an infinite distance apart. That way they do not interfere with the bat
placement at all, and ALL pin-to-hole sloppiness is zero. Measuring the
wheel head for placing the pins is a lot easier than you might think. As
far as I know all standard wheel head diameters fall well inside the marks
for the bat pins.
This is so easy.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Steve Mills
wrote:
> Gregg,
>
> We haven't had a "Batt Pin Standard" here per se, but the importation of
> wheels with pins is likely to establish the 10" rule by default. Prior to
> this some wheels were made with one centre pin and one offset threaded in=
to
> the head, but this results in excessive wear with no chance of a successf=
ul
> re-drill in the batts used.
> Talisman Wheels were imported from Oz with pre-drilled and threaded two
> pin heads about (if memory serves) 6" apart, but never really caught on.
>
> I came to appreciating using plain holes with pins and wing-nuts some
> years ago, so installed them on my own wheel, but 8" apart, and when aske=
d
> to do the same for customers made up a jig for the purpose using the same
> measurements.
> I used 8" spacing originally because 10" wheel-heads we're the norm over
> here, anything bigger was pretty unusual.
> I bought my VL with a plain head to allow me to drill it to suit my stock
> of 8" drilled batts.
>
> Steve M
>
>
> Steve Mills
> Bath
> UK
> www.mudslinger.me.uk
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2012, at 00:22, Gregg Lindsley wrote:
>
> > I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
> > good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
> > inches'.
> > Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course,
> if
> > you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
> > manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
> > closer together?
> > --
> > Gregg Lindsley
> > Earth and Fire Pottery
> > P.O. Box 402
> > Cobb, Ca., 95426
> > 707-490-7168
> > www.earthandfirepottery.net
> > "Tomorrow is just your future yesterday"
>
Fredrick Paget on wed 25 jul 12
>I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
>good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
>inches'.
>Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, if
>you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
>manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
>closer together?
>--
>Gregg Lindsley
The exact figure is not what limits us, its a matter of leverage.. If
you make them too close together you increase the sidewise force on
the holes and the pins. If too much smaller it would tear up the
holes and loosen the bats. 10 inches is now a standard for most uses
but there are other dimensions. So it is not a universal standard.
Fred
--
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 25 jul 12
Yes...or to re-phrase or expand further -
The closer to the center the Bat Pins are, the more the inertia of the Piec=
e
on the Bat will offer to the Bat Pin Holes meeting the Pins, for any change=
s
in acceleration...and, the more this would tend to wear or degrade the
material of the Bat, at the location of the Holes, and, with that, the wors=
e
the sloppiness would be as well, of the then poorly fitting degraded Bat Pi=
n
holes of the Bat.
As compared to the Pins being as widely spaced as possible, while still
allowing a margain at the Wheel Head's rim for safety and comfort.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fredrick Paget"
> >I've been wondering lately why bat pins are 10 inches apart. Is there a
>>good reason, or did someone long ago say, 'ah, well, lets make them 10
>>inches'.
>>Is there any good reason they can't be 8 inches or 6 inches? Of course, i=
f
>>you buy bats, they are standard at 10 inches to match what the wheel
>>manufacturers make. If you made your own bats, why couldn't the pins be
>>closer together?
>>--
>>Gregg Lindsley
>
>
> The exact figure is not what limits us, its a matter of leverage.. If
> you make them too close together you increase the sidewise force on
> the holes and the pins. If too much smaller it would tear up the
> holes and loosen the bats. 10 inches is now a standard for most uses
> but there are other dimensions. So it is not a universal standard.
>
> Fred
>
> --
> Twin Dragon Studio
> Mill Valley, CA, USA
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