Clay art on fri 24 aug 12
I am one of those people that hate it to be treated unfairly. I guess most
of us are like that and when injustices happen, we all respond differently.
When I was younger, it would rob me from sleep and happiness. It would
consume all my energy and distract me from everything that is important in
my life and I will fight until everyone around me are disturbed.
Today I am older and wiser. I do what I have to do to correct a situation,
but I also realize that nothing in this world can reverse history and even
the best efforts will not fully correct an injustice. I have learned that I
may win the fight, but it will not necessarily makes me happy, because I
will lose many things on the way to victory.
John, I applaud you for doing what you thought to be the right thing. The
fact that Penland responded to your action, means that you succeeded. I do
think though that it is now time for you to stand back, not for the sake of
Penland or anything or anyone else, but for yourself. Previous employees
that still feel that they are underpaid, must take responsibility for
themselves now and you must put your energy back to what you do best: your
pottery.
Thank you for standing up for others; now lookout for yourself.
Best wishes
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.porcelainbyAntoinette.com
John Britt on sat 25 aug 12
Antoinette,
I would love to get back to pottery. But unless the pressure is kept on
these folks, they do nothing. So the answer is no, in fact, I am getting
ready to turn up the pressure.
They can settle all this immediately. No one seems to realize that I don't
control this, Penland does. They can end it today.
I would love to get back to pottery!
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Clay art wrote=
:
> I am one of those people that hate it to be treated unfairly. I guess mos=
t
> of us are like that and when injustices happen, we all respond differentl=
y.
> When I was younger, it would rob me from sleep and happiness. It would
> consume all my energy and distract me from everything that is important i=
n
> my life and I will fight until everyone around me are disturbed. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Today I am older and wiser. I do what I have to do to correct a situation=
,
> but I also realize that nothing in this world can reverse history and eve=
n
> the best efforts will not fully correct an injustice. I have learned that=
I
> may win the fight, but it will not necessarily makes me happy, because I
> will lose many things on the way to victory.****
>
> ** **
>
> John, I applaud you for doing what you thought to be the right thing. The
> fact that Penland responded to your action, means that you succeeded. I d=
o
> think though that it is now time for you to stand back, not for the sake =
of
> Penland or anything or anyone else, but for yourself. Previous employees
> that still feel that they are underpaid, must take responsibility for
> themselves now and you must put your energy back to what you do best: you=
r
> pottery. ****
>
> ****
>
> Thank you for standing up for others; now lookout for yourself.****
>
> Best wishes****
>
> Antoinette Badenhorst****
>
> www.porcelainbyAntoinette.com ****
>
--
Regards,
John
John Britt Pottery
Soj on sun 26 aug 12
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hourly employees. This was not a mistake, it was done on purpose. It is=
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accident that records were not kept. I guarantee you they have paid more=
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in
legal fees than it would have cost them to pay back the employees, or,
better yet, to have paid them properly to start with.
The last several hourly jobs I've held, every single place had one or mor=
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illegal practices, ranging from shorting people on breaks or lunch hours,=
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this same practice of avoiding overtime by going to a 2 week time card. =
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requiring you to turn in timecards before the end of the time period, but=
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a breach of policy to sign a time card for hours you haven't worked yet.=3D=
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They know we can't hire lawyers, don't keep copies of our timecards, and =
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legal system is extremely unfriendly to workers.
If you complain, "the squeaky wheel gets the boot" - since many states ar=
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"at-will" meaning they can fire you without having to provide a reason.
It looks to me like they've strung you along waiting for the statute of
limitations to expire. In this climate of low employment, high disrespec=
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for workers, employers know that employees, having nowhere to turn anymor=
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are more likely than not to just go along. I hate to say it, but this is=
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why we need unions, corrupt as many of those got. Unions protect the
worker. Nobody else does.
Randall Moody on sun 26 aug 12
Soj,
Do you have any evidence that this was not a mistake? Penland did what I
think was a reasonable attempt to pay back those that they were aware of
and now they have changed their policies and procedures so this doesn't
happen again.
As to you last I will only say that unions protect unions. If you aren't in
one they really don't care or they are actively attempting to get you fired
and replace with another union member.
--
Randall in Atlanta
http://wrandallmoody.com
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Soj wrote:
> This is a not uncommon example of how business concerns routinely rip off
> hourly employees. This was not a mistake, it was done on purpose. It is
> no
> accident that records were not kept. I guarantee you they have paid more
> in
> legal fees than it would have cost them to pay back the employees, or,
> better yet, to have paid them properly to start with.
>
> The last several hourly jobs I've held, every single place had one or mor=
e
> illegal practices, ranging from shorting people on breaks or lunch hours,
> to
> this same practice of avoiding overtime by going to a 2 week time card.
> One
> of the ways they used to keep employees in line was the same practice of
> requiring you to turn in timecards before the end of the time period, but
> then penalizing you for having done so if you were to complain because it=
's
> a breach of policy to sign a time card for hours you haven't worked yet.
> They know we can't hire lawyers, don't keep copies of our timecards, and
> the
> legal system is extremely unfriendly to workers.
>
> If you complain, "the squeaky wheel gets the boot" - since many states ar=
e
> "at-will" meaning they can fire you without having to provide a reason.
>
> It looks to me like they've strung you along waiting for the statute of
> limitations to expire. In this climate of low employment, high disrespec=
t
> for workers, employers know that employees, having nowhere to turn anymor=
e,
> are more likely than not to just go along. I hate to say it, but this is
> why we need unions, corrupt as many of those got. Unions protect the
> worker. Nobody else does.
>
Steve Slatin on sun 26 aug 12
Randall --=3D0A=3DA0=3D0AThe evidence is in Penland's published defense of =
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tatute of limitations.=3DA0 It might=3D0Anot be illegal, but it's certainly=
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ng the law to deny the=3D0Aformer employees the pittance that they earned a=
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were =3D0Aimproperly denied.=3D0A=3D0ASteve Slatin -- =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AN48.0=
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=3D0ADo you have any evidence that this was not a mistake? Penland did what=
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Soj on wed 29 aug 12
Exactly. Furthermore, they also had two different setups for payroll - o=
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ne
which followed the rules, and one which did not. They only required the
one. The second was clearly put into place in order to attempt to take
advantage of what they hoped would be a loophole in the labor laws.=3D20=3D=
20=3D
This was not the only company to do this (try to hide overtime across 2
weeks). They tried to do it at a hospital where I was working, only
somebody turned them in ementually. It wasn't me - but guess who
got blamed for it, and guess whose time card records were "lost" so she
didn't get proper backpay?
Soj
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:49:21 -0700, Steve Slatin =
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wrote:
>Randall --
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1 - current employees
2 - former employees who brought up the issue
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They obviously at that point had records available (how else
to calculate the payment to those who complained?), and could
have just as easily paid former employees who did not bring
up the issue -- or at least checked the records, calculated the
back payment, and made a good faith effort to locate/pay
those people.
=3DA0
They did not.=3DA0 They allowed the old records to be destroyed or
lost, and ran the clock on the statute of limitations.=3DA0 It might
not be illegal, but it's certainly using the law to deny the
former employees the pittance that they earned and were=3D20
improperly denied.
Steve Slatin --=3D20
N48.0886450
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Soj,
Do you have any evidence that this was not a mistake? Penland did what I
think was a reasonable attempt to pay back those that they were aware of
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