LOWELL BAKER on fri 20 feb 98
The old model was that taxes supported state universities. That is
no longer true, if it ever was. The current model is that tax
support is only about 40-50% of the funding for "State supported"
institutions.
Not to ride the wave of athletic department bashing, which I will
likely start from time to time, but, here, the athletic budget and
the educational budget are like oil and water. Guess who's on top.
When more oil is added it may make the donor feel good about greasing
the wheels of education but those wheels are still down in the water
rusting.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I was not endowed with the genetic code
for size and speed. Do the jocks have a group where they complain
about education?
Back to the point... I don't believe there is much to this idea of tax
supported education at the university level.
Lowell
The University of Alabama
kinoko@junction.net on sat 21 feb 98
At 08:15 2/20/98 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>The old model was that taxes supported state universities. That is
>no longer true, if it ever was. The current model is that tax
>support is only about 40-50% of the funding for "State supported"
>institutions.
>
>Not to ride the wave of athletic department bashing, which I will
>likely start from time to time, but, here, the athletic budget and
>the educational budget are like oil and water. Guess who's on top.
>When more oil is added it may make the donor feel good about greasing
>the wheels of education but those wheels are still down in the water
>rusting.
>
>Maybe I'm just bitter because I was not endowed with the genetic code
>for size and speed. Do the jocks have a group where they complain
>about education?
>
>Back to the point... I don't believe there is much to this idea of tax
>supported education at the university level.
>
>Lowell
>The University of Alabama
>Lowell, Surely if we support full democracy,then universities deserve no
less support than mental institutions,medical care or day-care centres. It
appears to me that the problem is one of emphasis and social value.It is
unfortunate that,in an accquisitive society, 'Art',whatever that may be,is
considered to be "cultural pursuit" rather than an industrial necessity.
It is no accident that much of modern industry moves into allegedly
"developing" countries....Countries which already have a fully developed
tradition of hand skills and craftsmanship.I point to the magnificent
casting skills of the Ebo of Nigeria,which i have experienced,as well as
the incredible wood-fired porcelines of China. One could go on cataloging
the skills from the Inuit and Haida to those of the Jivaro and the
aboriginals of Australia. It is interesting to note that,these skills for
centuries have been looked upon by europeans as mere 'curiosities....until
recently,when we have found such a paucity of hand-skills among ourselves
that it becomes necessary to 'discover' these skills elsewhere.
By no means do I omit the advantages of tax write-offs or cheap
laboure. Don Morrill
paul wilmoth on sat 21 feb 98
Lowell,
If you really believe that taxes do not fund your school I think you are
misinformed.
Take away the state funds and say farewell to your job!
Sure there are private donations, foundations and alumni solicitations,
but they are only the gravy not the meat and spuds.
Even if the current model is 50% that is still MAJOR dollars, many more
than the student tuition contributes which was my initial point.
regards- Paul
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Marcia Selsor on sun 22 feb 98
Dear Don,
A point I'd like to add is that Education is not competing for limited State
funding with mental health care or medical care, but rather the rapidly
growing expenses of
penal institutions. I find it distressingly sad that our democracy has so many
incarcerated. What does that say about our society?
Marcia Selsor in Montana
kinoko@junction.net wrote:
> >Lowell, Surely if we support full democracy,then universities deserve no
> less support than mental institutions,medical care or day-care centres. It
> appears to me that the problem is one of emphasis and social value.It is
> unfortunate that,in an accquisitive society, 'Art',whatever that may be,is
> considered to be "cultural pursuit" rather than an industrial necessity.
> It is no accident that much of modern industry moves into allegedly
> "developing" countries....Countries which already have a fully developed
> tradition of hand skills and craftsmanship.I point to the magnificent
> casting skills of the Ebo of Nigeria,which i have experienced,as well as
> the incredible wood-fired porcelines of China. One could go on cataloging
> the skills from the Inuit and Haida to those of the Jivaro and the
> aboriginals of Australia. It is interesting to note that,these skills for
> centuries have been looked upon by europeans as mere 'curiosities....until
> recently,when we have found such a paucity of hand-skills among ourselves
> that it becomes necessary to 'discover' these skills elsewhere.
> By no means do I omit the advantages of tax write-offs or cheap
> laboure. Don Morrill
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