the cat lady on tue 14 apr 98
At 10:08 AM 4/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Would someone be kind enough to share those gorgeous recipes used by Stephen
>Hill?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Susan
>
>
Dear Susan:
Stephen Hill gladly and freely gives out his recipes when you attend
his workshop.
He does, however, request that they not be passed on by anyone but him.
They're his recipes; and I honour his wishes.
sam - alias the cat lady
Melbourne, Ontario
SW Ontario CANADA
http://www.geocities.com/paris/3110
Susan Raku on wed 15 apr 98
Sam, I can not attend one of his workshops since there aren't any taking place
in this area. I can not understand why, if this information is given out at
workshops, it can't be shared between two other artists. Seems rather petty.
To each his own.
Susan
Dannon Rhudy on thu 16 apr 98
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message----------------------------
Sam, I can not attend one of his workshops since there aren't any
taking place
in this area. I can not understand why, if this information is
given out at
workshops, it can't be shared between two other artists. Seems
rather petty.
To each his own.
-----------------------------------
If Mr. Hill prefers that his glazes not be given out other than
at his workshops, then that is HIS preference. Sam was merely
reporting that preference, and honoring his request.
It does not seem petty to me, that he might make such a request
nor that someone might honor it. He no doubt has his reasons, of
which I wot not, since I'm not privy to his thought processes. But
various possibilities spring to mind, not least of which may be
that he makes at least a portion of his living doing workshops, at
which time he gives, to attendees, glazes that may have taken him
many years to perfect. His time, attention, intelligence, work -
they have a value.
My experience is that glazes travel so poorly from person to
person and place to place that one could give away the secret
of ancient Chinese copper reds, down to the last molecule, and
they'd never make it to the next town, let alone another country.
So I tend to think it matters not at all what one does or does
not "give" away. BUT - it's HIS workshop(s); HIS glazes; HIS
request - and HIS years of work. Belongs to him to give or keep
any way he sees fit.
the cat lady on thu 16 apr 98
At 08:26 AM 4/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Sam, I can not attend one of his workshops since there aren't any taking place
>in this area. I can not understand why, if this information is given out at
>workshops, it can't be shared between two other artists. Seems rather petty.
>
>To each his own.
>
>Susan
>
Susan:
Steven is definately not the 1st (or only) workshop presenter to make
this request.
I urge you to consider travelling to one of his workshops. He has some
wonderful techniques that he presents in a thoughtful, humorous manner.
His once-fire glazing demonstrations opened my eyes to a whole new
world of possibilities!
sam - who is travelling to Edmonton for Fred O's castable kiln
workshop in 31 days (but who's counting ;)
sam - alias the cat lady
Melbourne, Ontario
SW Ontario CANADA
http://www.geocities.com/paris/3110
Susan Raku on fri 17 apr 98
Dan, I respect your opinion. There are things that I would not want to share
but I would not tell it to groups of people and expect them to keep my
secrets. When I take a workshop I don't sign anything saying that the
information I obtain is confidential or the teachers personal secret. That is
not realistic and the proof of that is the glaze recipes that other artists
are sending in response to my request.
In the future when information is asked for I would suggest that those who do
not want to share just not respond. There is no need to contact someone to
tell them what you are not going to tell them if you have not been addressed
personally. It just causes frustration and a pointless debate.
Best wishes,
Susan
Paul Lewing on fri 17 apr 98
I agree with Dannon that this request of Steven Hill's for his
workshop students not to pass on his glazes is not petty. And I'll
tell you one reason I do agree. I think it's partly out of
consideration for those to whom the glaze is passed. Steven Hill does
single firing, and his glazes are formulated for this use. They very
well might not work on bisqueware. I don't know this, but he may very
well only want them used by people he's been able to explain their use
to.
I once wrote an article for CM, put in a glaze recipe that I use on
commercial tile that will craze on most any clay body I've ever tried
it on. I wrote that in my article, but they edited that sentence out.
For two years after that, people told me in workshops that they'd
tried that glaze and it didn't work for them- it crazed. If they'd
gotten the whole story, they would have known that. Maybe this is the
same kind of deal.
Paul Lewing, Seattle
Susan Raku on fri 17 apr 98
Subj: Re: Stephen Hill recipe request
Date: 98-04-16 19:37:19 EDT
From: bshelton@hauns.hauns.com (Ben Shelton)
To: SusanRaku@aol.com (Susan Raku)
They were printed in the Jan '86 CM so why not pass 'em around??? Pages
47-51 He lists Songhen Stony Matt, Shaner Red, Fake ash, Celedon 3, Grey
white, and Tessha.
So if anybody has problems with poeple's "Rights" to certain glazes why
didn't they have a fit when Hill messed with then printed Shaner Red? The
way I have been taught, if someone does better work with one of your
formula's than you do, It isn't because you shoulda kept the formula a
secret. It is because they do better work than you and you need to do some
homework...
I freely give all of my recipes to whoever wants them. My glaze note boook
has hundreds of glazes that have been passed to me that I'll never even
test much less use. It's what you do with a formula that counts. Not the
fact that you have it!
I also have a list from Steven Hill Pottery 7212 Washington Kansas City Mo,
64114 (816) 523-7316.It also lists Mason's Red
Custer 53.3
Bone ash 14.9
Dolo 8.3
SGP#1 4.9
Flint 6.7
R.I.Ox 7.6
Bentonite 4.4
Rhodes matt
F-4 Spar 50
SGP#1 25
Dolo 20
Whiting 5
Talc 5
Bentonite 4
Woo Blue-Brown
F-4 37.8
Whiting 16.2
SGP#1 11.7
Flint 24.3
R.I.Ox 4.5
Rutile 3.6
Bentonite 4.5
SH 232 Clear
Custer 42
Whiting 24
6 Tile 15
Flint 28
Frit3110 5
Bentonite 4
Sam, had to share this with you.
Susan
Lee Love on sat 18 apr 98
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Raku
>I also have a list from Steven Hill Pottery 7212 Washington Kansas City Mo,
>64114 (816) 523-7316.It also lists Mason's Red
Looks like the main variation in all these glazes is the addition of 4% to
4.5% bentonite to help the glaze fit unbisqued clay.
Susan, do you have his Fake Ash recipe?
/(o\' Lee In Saint Paul, Minnesota USA
\o)/' mailto:Ikiru@Kami.com
' http://www.millcomm.com/~leelove/
Hluch - Kevin A. on sun 19 apr 98
In regard to this imbroglio, if one has any experience with glazes
whatsoever, it is understood that glazes are significantly, oft times
radically, affected by the clay bodies on which they are used.
Even if one has the arithmetically correct glaze recipe the results, due
to numerous factors including glaze particle size, supply of materials
(and old Cornwall Stone may not be the same as new Cornwall Stone for
example), nature of application and firing as well as what one means
specifically by "reduction" can have deviant influences on
the expected result.
Even commercial glazes brushed from a jar are, at times, not one one
expects.....
I concur with the post below. Glaze formulas are a starting point not an
end point.
As a result of Ian Curie's Glaze workshop I would suggest that his
orientation to glaze testing is brilliant and should be a part of any
glaze course. His method is revolutionary in the sense that it gives so
much information, so quickly in an understandable way. His method also
shows the radical affects that are a result of the varying the proportion
of silica and alumina while keeping the flux constant. This can have a
dramatic impact on the colorant and its color..
His is not a "Glaze Calculation" approach but a hands-on method that gives
amazing results. One can actually SEE, for example, why copper produces
green vs. turquoise in a glaze. And this on a single test tile!
Ian Curie's method does not take the place of a glaze calc ap. but it does
so much more for one's understanding of glazes than anything those numbers
can represent. (The caveat here is that I am speaking as an artist not as
a technician.)
I strongly recommend his workshop and book "Stoneware Glazes: A Systematic
Approach" to anyone who has struggled with glazes. (And by the way, his
method is not limited to stoneware temperatures. It's applicable to low
temps as well.)
In fact, he has "opened my eyes" in regard to glazes. I only wish I had
experienced his method twenty years ago.
Kevin A. Hluch
102 E. 8th St.
Frederick, MD 21701
USA
e-mail: kahluch@umd5.umd.edu
http://www.erols.com/mhluch/mudslinger.html
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Susan Raku wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Subj: Re: Stephen Hill recipe request
> Date: 98-04-16 19:37:19 EDT
> From: bshelton@hauns.hauns.com (Ben Shelton)
> To: SusanRaku@aol.com (Susan Raku)
>
> They were printed in the Jan '86 CM so why not pass 'em around??? Pages
> 47-51 He lists Songhen Stony Matt, Shaner Red, Fake ash, Celedon 3, Grey
> white, and Tessha.
>
> So if anybody has problems with poeple's "Rights" to certain glazes why
> didn't they have a fit when Hill messed with then printed Shaner Red? The
> way I have been taught, if someone does better work with one of your
> formula's than you do, It isn't because you shoulda kept the formula a
> secret. It is because they do better work than you and you need to do some
> homework...
>
> I freely give all of my recipes to whoever wants them. My glaze note boook
> has hundreds of glazes that have been passed to me that I'll never even
> test much less use. It's what you do with a formula that counts. Not the
> fact that you have it!
>
> I also have a list from Steven Hill Pottery 7212 Washington Kansas City Mo,
> 64114 (816) 523-7316.It also lists Mason's Red
>
> Custer 53.3
> Bone ash 14.9
> Dolo 8.3
> SGP#1 4.9
> Flint 6.7
> R.I.Ox 7.6
> Bentonite 4.4
>
> Rhodes matt
> F-4 Spar 50
> SGP#1 25
> Dolo 20
> Whiting 5
> Talc 5
> Bentonite 4
>
> Woo Blue-Brown
> F-4 37.8
> Whiting 16.2
> SGP#1 11.7
> Flint 24.3
> R.I.Ox 4.5
> Rutile 3.6
> Bentonite 4.5
>
>
> SH 232 Clear
> Custer 42
> Whiting 24
> 6 Tile 15
> Flint 28
> Frit3110 5
> Bentonite 4
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam, had to share this with you.
>
> Susan
>
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