LunaCRan on fri 17 apr 98
has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1? the ready made
stilts that you can buy both with and without metal points say cone 1 in the
catalogue but I wonder if cone 5 stoneware can be stilted and fired midrange
thanks
douglas gray on sat 18 apr 98
To be honest, I don't think that the stilts are the problem as much as the
glazes you are using might be. The mid to high range glazes are typically
stronger harder surfaces, and may bond the stilts to your pots so well that they
won't just snap off like they do in low fire situations.
So even if the stilts themselves could withstand the temperature increase to
come 5, they may bond too well with the harder glaze surace to break off. Just
a guess...and maybe something to consider.
doug
In message LunaCRan writes:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1? the ready made
> stilts that you can buy both with and without metal points say cone 1 in the
> catalogue but I wonder if cone 5 stoneware can be stilted and fired midrange
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David McBeth on sat 18 apr 98
LunaCRan wrote:
> has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1? the ready made
> stilts that you can buy both with and without metal points say cone 1 in the
> catalogue but I wonder if cone 5 stoneware can be stilted and fired midrange
> thanks
I have not found this to a problem. I generally don't stilt student
work because it would add huge amounts of time to loading the kiln.
Sometimes however, if a student has over glazed a pot, I will stilt it
instead of dry footing the pot for them just to show what could happen.
Those wonderful rivlets of glaze might make nice little legs. This may
sound harsh but the alternative is to chisel their pot off the kiln
shelf.
Just this week I fired a couple of those little stilts to cone 7. No
problem
dave
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Ed Kraft on sat 18 apr 98
I fire 3-pointed (metal points) stilts to cone 5 every glaze firing. I use
them over and over. In Seattle Pottery Supply catalog it says "three-legged
ceramic stilts are rated to cone 12. Though capable of going to cone 10,
metal tipped stilts with too-heavy loads will begin to deform at cone 6."
Hope this helps.
Ed Kraft
Bellingham WA
Eartharr@msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LunaCRan
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:12 AM
Subject: stilts
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1? the ready made
>stilts that you can buy both with and without metal points say cone 1 in
the
>catalogue but I wonder if cone 5 stoneware can be stilted and fired
midrange
>thanks
>
Cheryl L Litman on sun 19 apr 98
Sometimes they work ok and then there are the 4 bowls I have which are
now solidly glazed onto the stilt as the metal points melted and
tipped...
I wouldn't recommend it.
I recently made a bunch of small stoneware cones/buttons to use under
pieces. I rubbed off the glaze at 3 points and stuck these on with a dab
of white glue - just enough to hold on while I set the piece down on the
shelf. As long as you get the balance points in the right place it works
great.
Cheryl Litman
Somerset, NJ
email: cheryllitman@juno.com
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:10:51 EDT LunaCRan writes:
>----------------------------Original
>message----------------------------
>has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1? the ready
>made
>stilts that you can buy both with and without metal points say cone 1
>in the
>catalogue but I wonder if cone 5 stoneware can be stilted and fired
>midrange
>thanks
>
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CaraMox on sun 19 apr 98
I had some stilts that I fired to /\5, and they Melted Down, and fused to the
ware. Test your stilts before putting anything on them to /\5, or make your
own, from porcelain and nicrome wire.
Cara Moczygemba
Cindy on sun 19 apr 98
Luna,
I don't know if we have the same stilts, however, I do fire mine to ^6
occasionally. Because I started out in clay by taking a class at the local
art center, and because the teacher there used stilts at ^6, I never
thought to question whether they would survive those temperatures. Glaze
does tend to run onto the wires, though, and makes kind of a mess. You lose
some stilts that way. I seldom use them.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels
Custer, SD
USA http://blackhills-info.com/a/cindys/menu.htm
Janet H Walker on sun 19 apr 98
...has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1?...
Yes. I bought Bell stilts that claim some amazingly high cone.
It is my impression that the clay part of the stilts will survive
fine at cone 10 but the metal points sure wouldn't!!
I have used Bell stilts in low ^6. They do "okay" but the metal in
the points clearly softens enough that the points end up going at
crazy angles to the clay that is supposed to be supporting them. I
haven't yet tried hammering them back to vertical.
Some people make their own stilts with good refractory clay and little
pieces of wire. Eleanora Eden and I are in the midst of doing some
investigating of this approach and will report back after completion of
our planned stilting bee as to which wires seem most cooperative.
Happy to hear from other stilted potters.
Jan Walker
Cambridge MA USA
Eleanora Eden on sun 19 apr 98
Obliged to point out....metal-pointed stilts will fail even at cone 06 if
the weight on them is sufficient. I fire all urns on porcelain stilts
rather than metal.
Eleanora
.............
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
Gil FREEDMAN on mon 20 apr 98
I recently saw stilts made from a mold. Ceramic stilts including the
points(also made from ceramic) to hold the pot. I did not see the
opening of the kiln (an anagama) so I don't know how they fared, but I
think they have been used multiple times.
millie carpenter on mon 20 apr 98
Eleanora
do you mean that the entire stilt is porcelain. if so, how do you make
them. if you are using wire that is imbeded into the porcelain, can you
double the wire and twist it in hopes of doubling the strength?
millie, in soggy MD
I fire all urns on porcelain stilts
> rather than metal.
>
> Eleanora
>
> ............
> Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
> Paradise Hill
> Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
Ed Kraft on tue 21 apr 98
I am replying to my own post since folks have reported different results
using stilts at the cone 5 temp. range. I just finished a glaze test using
two different brand stilts holding the same size flowers (approx. 580g).
They were side by side on the same shelf. The ones I always use held fine as
usual and brand X failed. The ones I use are Star 13-3 from Seattle Pottery
Supply and brand X is just that, something that was given to me with no
brand marking on them. I had never used them because my non scientific self
knew they weren't as able to withstand the heat and weight. The observable
difference between the two is in the wire size; the successful one has 16
gauge wire where the failed one has 18 gauge wire. Conclusion: buy from a
reputable and knowledgeable supplier that will tell you the limits of the
products that they carry.
Good thing it was only a test.
Ed Kraft
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Kraft
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: stilts
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I fire 3-pointed (metal points) stilts to cone 5 every glaze firing. I use
them over and over. In Seattle Pottery Supply catalog it says "three-legged
ceramic stilts are rated to cone 12. Though capable of going to cone 10,
metal tipped stilts with too-heavy loads will begin to deform at cone 6."
Hope this helps.
Ed Kraft
Bellingham WA
Eartharr@msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LunaCRan
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:12 AM
Subject: stilts
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>has anyone had the experience of firing stilts past cone 1? the ready made
>stilts that you can buy both with and without metal points say cone 1 in
the
>catalogue but I wonder if cone 5 stoneware can be stilted and fired
midrange
>thanks
>
Snail Scott on tue 29 may 01
At 04:12 PM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Anybody know of any kiln stilts they KNOW will go to
>cone 10? I have a source of stilts they claim will
>make it, but 50% of the time the metal sprues sag (the
>piece glazes itself to the kiln shelf)...Thanks in advance...NEZ
>
Kathleen-
It seems to have a lot to do with the weight of
the piece. I don't know of any stilts that will
support heavy work at ^10. The heavier the work,
the lower the temperature at which the metal
prongs will bend.
Solution A: Only use stilts on lightweight work.
Solution B: Use many stilts on a single piece,
to distribute the weight. Those 'bar' style
stilts, with many prongs in a row, might help.
Solution C: Use stilts without metal prongs.
Instead, use the all-clay type, with kilnwash
on the contact points.
(I work at ^6, so these suggestions are largely
theoretical as they apply to ^10.)
-Snail
Wade Blocker on tue 29 may 01
Laguna used to have stilts without any metal prongs, just porcelain?
stoneware ?, I used them under porcelain pots if I was afraid of the glaze
running at cone 9 to 10. Mia in ABQ
Katheleen Nez on tue 29 may 01
Anybody know of any kiln stilts they KNOW will go to
cone 10? I have a source of stilts they claim will
make it, but 50% of the time the metal sprues sag (the
piece glazes itself to the kiln shelf)...Thanks in advance...NEZ
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Don Goodrich on wed 30 may 01
Nez, I don't know of any commercially available cone 10 stilts, but if you
want to make your own, go to a welding supply store and get some tungsten
electrodes used for TIG welding. Not cheap, and damnably hard to cut (you'll
probably have to grind), but they should handle anything your kiln can do to
'em.
Good luck,
Don Goodrich in Zion, Illinois
goodrichdn@aol.com
Katheleen Nez asked:
>Anybody know of any kiln stilts they KNOW will go to
cone 10? I have a source of stilts they claim will
make it, but 50% of the time the metal sprues sag (the
piece glazes itself to the kiln shelf)...Thanks in advance...NEZ <
Eleanora Eden on fri 14 sep 01
Certainly this is an old thread now but I am still catching up.
I worked at cone 9-10 for years stilting
everything I fired on either porcelain triangular stilts or the "hershey's
kisses" porcelain stilts they used to sell or bigger ones I made myself. I
made sure the stilt points were firmly under the wall so they were
well-supported and didn't have any problems with deforming the pots.
I really like the idea Don Goodrich put forward about using
tungsten welding rod and if in future I had to do this on large pieces
that is definitely the road I would take. But for small stuff the above
is very effective.
At 04:12 PM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Anybody know of any kiln stilts they KNOW will go to
>cone 10? I have a source of stilts they claim will
>make it, but 50% of the time the metal sprues sag (the
>piece glazes itself to the kiln shelf)...Thanks in advance...NEZ
Maggi Kneer on wed 29 nov 06
i am looking for 1" triangular stilts, with 3/4"
between the spikes. i use for firing deep
footed bowls. does anyone have a source???
they used to be available at seattle pottery, but no longer
in stock.
many thanks
maggi
Brant Palley NMCLAY.com on thu 30 nov 06
Take a regular stilt and put on a one inch post. see www.nmclay.com for
more stilts.
Brant Palley
New Mexico Clay
Maggi Kneer on thu 30 nov 06
thanks brant,
have tried that, but kiln post is too wide.
i need a stilt that is at least 3/4" tall.
maggi
On 30-Nov-06, at 2:27 PM, Brant Palley NMCLAY.com wrote:
> Take a regular stilt and put on a one inch post. see www.nmclay.com for
> more stilts.
>
> Brant Palley
>
> New Mexico Clay
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