Caroline and Hedley Saunders on mon 15 jun 98
I would heartily endorse what John says about the parts of the brain. I
bought a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain - How to Unlock
your Hidden Artistic Talent by Betty Edwards (Harper Collins, London). I
would recommend this to anyone. I bought it when I signed on for my ceramic
course and realised I would have to take classes in drawing and was
amazed at how effective it was.
My drawing class was first thing Monday morning so for the first few
sessions I would get in early, then go somewhere quiet for ten minutes and
do an exercise that enabled the right side of the brain to not be dominated
by the left! I certainly got better at it with practice.
Caroline - in a rather wet and windy England today
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Hesselberth
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
Date: 12 June 1998 16:41
Subject: Re: ART vs CRAFT
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I categorically reject the idea that you cannot learn to be an artist.
Craft is primarily a left brained activity. Art is primarily a right
brained activity with obvious overlaps for both. I am absolutely certain
one can learn to consciously switch from using the left brain to using
the right brain--it takes practice and training, but it can be taught and
learned. I think it follows that one can develop artistic capability
once one becomes comfortable using their right brain.
Talbott on tue 16 jun 98
I hope that you are correct about this assumption that one can
learn to be an artist. However, the few artists that I am personally
familiar with were doing remarkable things artistically speaking even as
young children. I do agree to some extent that you can "learn to do art"
but I still am not convinced that you can "learn to be an artist". I think
that there is something present in an artist's mind that is not learned..
Just my $0.02 worth...
Marshall--In Naples. ME where we had over 8" of rain in the past 3 days!
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>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I would heartily endorse what John says about the parts of the brain. I
>bought a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain - How to Unlock
>your Hidden Artistic Talent by Betty Edwards (Harper Collins, London). I
>would recommend this to anyone. I bought it when I signed on for my ceramic
>course and realised I would have to take classes in drawing and was
>amazed at how effective it was.
>
>My drawing class was first thing Monday morning so for the first few
>sessions I would get in early, then go somewhere quiet for ten minutes and
>do an exercise that enabled the right side of the brain to not be dominated
>by the left! I certainly got better at it with practice.
>
>Caroline - in a rather wet and windy England today
>Xdelphin@eclipse.co.uk
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Hesselberth
>To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
>Date: 12 June 1998 16:41
>Subject: Re: ART vs CRAFT
>
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I categorically reject the idea that you cannot learn to be an artist.
>Craft is primarily a left brained activity. Art is primarily a right
>brained activity with obvious overlaps for both. I am absolutely certain
>one can learn to consciously switch from using the left brain to using
>the right brain--it takes practice and training, but it can be taught and
>learned. I think it follows that one can develop artistic capability
>once one becomes comfortable using their right brain.
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hal mc whinnie on tue 16 jun 98
you may also wish to try drawing with both hands at the same time and
drawing with your non dominant hand. which had do you write with?
an american about 1902 , j. liberty tadd perfected a series of excerises
based on the idea of drawing with the whole brain especially excerises
drawing with both hands at the same time.
hal mc whinnie
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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:30:24 EDT Caroline and Hedley Saunders
writes:
>----------------------------Original
>message----------------------------
>I would heartily endorse what John says about the parts of the brain.
>I
>bought a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain - How to
>Unlock
>your Hidden Artistic Talent by Betty Edwards (Harper Collins, London).
> I
>would recommend this to anyone. I bought it when I signed on for my
>ceramic
>course and realised I would have to take classes in drawing and
>was
>amazed at how effective it was.
>
>My drawing class was first thing Monday morning so for the first few
>sessions I would get in early, then go somewhere quiet for ten minutes
>and
>do an exercise that enabled the right side of the brain to not be
>dominated
>by the left! I certainly got better at it with practice.
>
>Caroline - in a rather wet and windy England today
>Xdelphin@eclipse.co.uk
>Remove the X from the address (there to keep spam spiders at bay)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Hesselberth
>To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
>Date: 12 June 1998 16:41
>Subject: Re: ART vs CRAFT
>
>
>----------------------------Original
>message----------------------------
>I categorically reject the idea that you cannot learn to be an artist.
>Craft is primarily a left brained activity. Art is primarily a right
>brained activity with obvious overlaps for both. I am absolutely
>certain
>one can learn to consciously switch from using the left brain to using
>the right brain--it takes practice and training, but it can be taught
>and
>learned. I think it follows that one can develop artistic capability
>once one becomes comfortable using their right brain.
>
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Rick Sherman on tue 16 jun 98
Those who are interested in the Left Brain/Right Brain theory, might
enjoy the research of Howard Gardner by reading his book Frames of
Mind, The Theory of Multiple Intellegences, published by Basic Books in
1983. Gardner demonstrates that there are seven intellegences rather
than just left and right brain. He suggests we work with sets of
intellegences rather than a single whole intellegence. For example, the
composer employes one part of the brain and the musician another. For
the arts, there is a strong argument that those involved in making art
use a wide range of intellegences, more perhaps, than other
disciplines. He has applied this theory to his work in Project Zero and
Harvard University. It seems to work.
Rick Sherman
San Jose, CA USofA
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bobbi on wed 17 jun 98
I don't respond to much here... but this one I have to. I have always
believed that there is no such thing as "NATURAL TALENT", but that there
is the DESIRE to create...and when one acts on that desire, that desire
can be enhanced with art education. and expanded much more rapidly with
education. The desire can be fulfilled when the RIGHT TOOLS to achieve
what is in your mind and heart are used..The desire to create will be
much easier and fulfilling with understanding of how and why things do
the things they do...Art can be taught.. but the driving desire is what
makes good artists... not the teacher...
Bobbi Oliver...... Nice, CA...
Talbott wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I hope that you are correct about this assumption that one can
> learn to be an artist. However, the few artists that I am personally
> familiar with were doing remarkable things artistically speaking even as
> young children. I do agree to some extent that you can "learn to do art"
> but I still am not convinced that you can "learn to be an artist". I think
> that there is something present in an artist's mind that is not learned..
> Just my $0.02 worth...
>
> Marshall--In Naples. ME where we had over 8" of rain in the past 3 days!
>
> http://www.PotteryInfo.com
>
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >I would heartily endorse what John says about the parts of the brain. I
> >bought a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain - How to Unlock
> >your Hidden Artistic Talent by Betty Edwards (Harper Collins, London). I
> >would recommend this to anyone. I bought it when I signed on for my ceramic
> >course and realised I would have to take classes in drawing and was
> >amazed at how effective it was.
> >
> >My drawing class was first thing Monday morning so for the first few
> >sessions I would get in early, then go somewhere quiet for ten minutes and
> >do an exercise that enabled the right side of the brain to not be dominated
> >by the left! I certainly got better at it with practice.
> >
> >Caroline - in a rather wet and windy England today
> >Xdelphin@eclipse.co.uk
> >Remove the X from the address (there to keep spam spiders at bay)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John Hesselberth
> >To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
> >Date: 12 June 1998 16:41
> >Subject: Re: ART vs CRAFT
> >
> >
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >I categorically reject the idea that you cannot learn to be an artist.
> >Craft is primarily a left brained activity. Art is primarily a right
> >brained activity with obvious overlaps for both. I am absolutely certain
> >one can learn to consciously switch from using the left brain to using
> >the right brain--it takes practice and training, but it can be taught and
> >learned. I think it follows that one can develop artistic capability
> >once one becomes comfortable using their right brain.
>
> http://www.PotteryInfo.com
>
> 101 CLAYART MUGS (Summer 1998)
> 2ND ANNUAL CLAYARTERS' GALLERY - NAPLES, MAINE (Summer 1998)
> E-MAIL ME FOR APPLICATIONS
>
> Celia & Marshall Talbott, Pottery By Celia, Route 114, P O Box 4116,
> Naples, Maine 04055-4116,(207)693-6100 voice and fax,(call first)
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HAL M DEWITTIE on thu 18 jun 98
Marshall Talbott wrote:
> . . . but I still am not convinced that you can "learn to be an
artist". I think that there is something present in an artist's mind
that is not learned.. <
Marshall,
I believe that there is something NOT present in an artist's mind that
is learned by so many others.
Artists have NOT been brainwashed into believing that they aren't
"artistic". Many people have been taught that art is nonsense,
silly, a waste of time, etc, or that what they create isn't of any
value. Even worse, some are taught that they aren't creative at
all.
As in so many areas, we believe the negative messages that we have
received since childhood. Overcoming the mental "art police" that
automatically pop up every time we try to stretch our wings a little
can be a daunting task. Even having a lot of outside encouragement,
and having a logical understanding of our abilities, doesn't
necessarily have much of an impact on how we FEEL about those
abilities and their value.
Everyone has potential but not necessarily confidence. This is why it
is important to criticize constructively and carefully. Blunt
thruthfulness is fine as long as you know that receiver is ready for
it. If someone displays their work, then they should be ready for some
potential criticism. However, many are taking a giant leap simply by
putting something "out there".
Hal in Harrisburg, PA, USA
HAL M DEWITTIE on fri 19 jun 98
Marshall Talbott wrote:
> . . . but I still am not convinced that you can "learn to be an
artist". I think that there is something present in an artist's mind
that is not learned.. <
Marshall,
I believe that there is something NOT present in an artist's mind that
is learned by so many others.
Artists have NOT been brainwashed into believing that they aren't
"artistic". Many people have been taught that art is nonsense,
silly, a waste of time, etc, or that what they create isn't of any
value. Even worse, some are taught that they aren't creative at
all.
As in so many areas, we believe the negative messages that we have
received since childhood. Overcoming the mental "art police" that
automatically pop up every time we try to stretch our wings a little
can be a daunting task. Even having a lot of outside encouragement,
and having a logical understanding of our abilities, doesn't
necessarily have much of an impact on how we FEEL about those
abilities and their value.
Everyone has potential but not necessarily confidence. This is why it
is important to criticize constructively and carefully. Blunt
thruthfulness is fine as long as you know that receiver is ready for
it. If someone displays their work, then they should be ready for some
potential criticism. However, many are taking a giant leap simply by
putting something "out there".
Hal in Harrisburg, PA, USA
Earl Brunner on fri 19 jun 98
Sorry Bobby, can't agree with you there, In ANY type of endeavor, some are
more naturally talented then others, and that includes creativity and art. If
it applies to other skills, gifts, talents, then it applies as easily to art,
I will agree that ultimately desire and personal drive or will can offset and
to some degree compensate or take the place of natural talent. I have seen
many with talent that did not have the drive and many with the drive and NO
talent. I believe that you have to have some of both. I really don't have
much time or patience for those who have the talent and no drive, and I can
admire the drive of someone with the desire. Unfortunately, all the drive in
the world will not win a gold in the Olympics. I have seen people who had all
the drive in the world and NO talent whatsoever. It's not a pretty sight.
And it's not art.
Edouard Bastarache on sat 20 jun 98
Hi Earl,marquis de Vegas:
"In medio stat virtus",
very interesting comment and i agree with you.It applies
to many aspects of life,
Edouard Bastarache
Tracy
Quebec
Canada
----------
> De : Earl Brunner
> A : Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
> Objet : Re: right brain/left brain
> Date : 19 juin, 1998 09:24
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Sorry Bobby, can't agree with you there, In ANY type of endeavor, some
are
> more naturally talented then others, and that includes creativity and
art. If
> it applies to other skills, gifts, talents, then it applies as easily to
art,
> I will agree that ultimately desire and personal drive or will can offset
and
> to some degree compensate or take the place of natural talent. I have
seen
> many with talent that did not have the drive and many with the drive and
NO
> talent. I believe that you have to have some of both. I really don't
have
> much time or patience for those who have the talent and no drive, and I
can
> admire the drive of someone with the desire. Unfortunately, all the
drive in
> the world will not win a gold in the Olympics. I have seen people who had
all
> the drive in the world and NO talent whatsoever. It's not a pretty
sight.
> And it's not art.
Fay & Ralph Loewenthal on mon 22 jun 98
I have a feeling that both Hal and Marshall are correct in
what they say. I have found that for me to draw anything,
first of all takes for ever, and secondly it lokks worse than a
nursery school child's first attempts at finger painting. It is
far easier for me to ask Fay, the artistically talented one in
this relationship, to do the drawing. It is done in seconds
and beautifuly executed. I am not saying that she is more
creative than I am, I would guess that we are all equally
creative if we allow ouselves to be. I have often come up
with ideas that she did not think off and vice versa. What I
am saying is that there are some who have the ability to
draw well and there are those of us who do not. Just do not
ask Fay to load a kiln or formulate a glaze, she would give
up tomorrow if she had to. I am the more technically
tallented so we compliment each other. Is that not the way
to be?
Keep well potting and keep potting well Ralph in PE SA.
Joyce Lee on wed 24 jun 98
Okay, Toni, I'm hauling that book from my own shelves to re-read. I
purchased it when it was first published, not for me, but to help me
understand my academically (reading, math, spelling) challenged
students. Many of these students were classified "Learning Disabled,"
but, wonder of wonders, were incredibly talented! My percentage of
extremely talented students was way beyond the norm...every year for the
six years I taught the class. Many were also very, very intelligent,
which too many teachers with rather limited brain-power themselves had
difficulty accepting. How is it possible, they'd ask, to be so talented
AND so intelligent and still not be able to read?? Yes, they'd heard of
Einstein and his "dyslexia," but they probably thought he was just
faking it and goofing off in class so he could daydream. That's what
they thought about "MY" students! Even today, all these years and career
moves later, my dander goes flying at the power these misplaced people
(can't call them "teachers") had over "MY" kids. (However, "MY" kids
gave them hell on a daily basis, made their lives miserable..."Good for
you," I'd think as I firmly restated that teachers must be treated with
respect...thinking, "whether they deserve it or not," but not saying
it.) Anyway, I bought the book hoping I could reverse the process
somehow and understand my students a bit more. Didn't work. Bad idea.
Wrong book for that purpose. Now, though, I think maybe I was meant to
have that book in my library. Gonna' start working with it this week.
Thanks, Toni, for the reminder.
Joyce
In the Mojave remembering, because of my own directionality disability,
that I had a heck of a time remembering which side of the brain did
what. Understood the concept just fine; just had trouble with "left" and
"right." It worked much better for me when I thought of them as "Jacob"
and "Allyson," rather than left and right....
hal mc whinnie on thu 25 jun 98
a graduate student of mine did a small study several years ago at the
maryland institute an art school in balitmore and she found out that
about one third of students at that school and at many other art scholls
are learning disabled, that is they are dyslexic.
this may account for what you describe.
remember it is drawing with the whole brain, try your non donminant hand
and also draw with both hands at the same time
hal mc whinnie
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:05:15 EDT Joyce Lee
writes:
>----------------------------Original
>message----------------------------
>Okay, Toni, I'm hauling that book from my own shelves to re-read. I
>purchased it when it was first published, not for me, but to help me
>understand my academically (reading, math, spelling) challenged
>students. Many of these students were classified "Learning Disabled,"
>but, wonder of wonders, were incredibly talented! My percentage of
>extremely talented students was way beyond the norm...every year for
>the
>six years I taught the class. Many were also very, very intelligent,
>which too many teachers with rather limited brain-power themselves had
>difficulty accepting. How is it possible, they'd ask, to be so
>talented
>AND so intelligent and still not be able to read?? Yes, they'd heard
>of
>Einstein and his "dyslexia," but they probably thought he was just
>faking it and goofing off in class so he could daydream. That's what
>they thought about "MY" students! Even today, all these years and
>career
>moves later, my dander goes flying at the power these misplaced people
>(can't call them "teachers") had over "MY" kids. (However, "MY" kids
>gave them hell on a daily basis, made their lives miserable..."Good
>for
>you," I'd think as I firmly restated that teachers must be treated
>with
>respect...thinking, "whether they deserve it or not," but not saying
>it.) Anyway, I bought the book hoping I could reverse the process
>somehow and understand my students a bit more. Didn't work. Bad idea.
>Wrong book for that purpose. Now, though, I think maybe I was meant
>to
>have that book in my library. Gonna' start working with it this week.
>Thanks, Toni, for the reminder.
>
>Joyce
>In the Mojave remembering, because of my own directionality
>disability,
>that I had a heck of a time remembering which side of the brain did
>what. Understood the concept just fine; just had trouble with "left"
>and
>"right." It worked much better for me when I thought of them as
>"Jacob"
>and "Allyson," rather than left and right....
>
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