Earl Brunner on fri 19 jun 98
Are many of you teachers? In public schools? Have you had to deal with/teach
dba? Discipline Based Art. How do you feel about it? I have a friend that
was named Outstanding High School Art Educator of the Year 1997 in the state
of Utah, by the Education Department at BYU, Utah. He has been twice named
teacher of the year by the students of his high school, and is currently the
Art Department Chairman. The University (the same one that named him art
educator of the year) won't give him a student teacher because of his
criticism of DBA.
Katy Sheridan on sat 20 jun 98
Tell us exactly! What *is* diciplined based art? It sounds so onerous that
I just can't make myself capitalize the words!
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>snip---> Have you had to deal with/teach dba? Discipline Based Art.
How do >you feel about it? <------snip-----> The University (the same one
that named >him art educator of the year) won't give him a student teacher
because of his >criticism of DBA.
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Grace Epstein on sat 20 jun 98
not surprising...it's a hot in our school system too here in Simsbury, CT
hal mc whinnie on sat 20 jun 98
unfortunately the head of progam at byu is the national leader for the
dbae movement which was started by the getty center in calif.
getty has a web page for those interested.
the basic problem with dbae is that there is the tendency to
de-kemphasize the studio component in favor of art hostory, art criticism
and aesthetics,
a graduate student failed to get a college job because she was not
enthusistic enough about dbae, it has become a rather rigid approach and
one which seems to inspire dogmatic responses
hal
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:21:46 EDT Earl Brunner writes:
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>message----------------------------
>Are many of you teachers? In public schools? Have you had to deal
>with/teach
>dba? Discipline Based Art. How do you feel about it? I have a
>friend that
>was named Outstanding High School Art Educator of the Year 1997 in the
>state
>of Utah, by the Education Department at BYU, Utah. He has been twice
>named
>teacher of the year by the students of his high school, and is
>currently the
>Art Department Chairman. The University (the same one that named him
>art
>educator of the year) won't give him a student teacher because of his
>criticism of DBA.
>
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wdavids@mail.cosmoaccess.net on sat 20 jun 98
Earl,
DBAE (Disciplined Based Art Education) has been around since
the early 1980's. One of the earliest supportes of DBAE is Michale
Day, professor of art education at BYU. He has in recent years been a
Getty Fellow and recieves alot of financial support from the Getty
Center for Education in the Arts . It just so happens that the Getty
is the main supporter of DBAE. In addition M. Day has written various
articles and has done research on behalf of DBAE and the Getty
Center. DBAE in its conceptual form advocates art education which
teaches from four components. It views art education as a discipline
not just an activity. Many public art teachers most likely teach very
similar to the published criteria supporting DBAE. However, they
oppose it due to its structure and not wanting to change their
teaching style. The four components are; studio, aesthetics,
criticism, and art history. There exist an extensive body of
literature in support and in opposition to DBAE. Criticism ranges
from too much structure to it being Euro-centric in ideaology. In any
event, The Getty Center attempts to address the critics and
cultural pluralism. WGD in Wildomar, Ca.
Earl Brunner on sun 21 jun 98
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Tell us exactly! What *is* disciplined based art? It sounds so onerous that
I just can't make myself capitalize the words!
Katy Sheridan
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I have not been "trained" in it, so proponents would probably scream foul at
my attempt to explain. I have had to teach it for a while in the elementary
setting. My impressions are:
1. that it is a packaged, sequential curriculum, that anybody or their dog is
supposed to be able to teach. i.e. the regular non artist, classroom teacher.
2. it is long on art appreciation and art history, but short on creativity and
producing.
3. the packaged program purchased by our district was extremely weak in 3 D
art, for the kids to produce, practically non existent.
4. can be boring and restrictive for those who would like to focus
5. art by the numbers
6. the biggestest plus was the resources given to the teacher in the form of
large art prints and slides.
Earl Brunner
William Moody on mon 22 jun 98
What exactly is Discipline Based Art?
Earl Brunner wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Are many of you teachers? In public schools? Have you had to deal with/teach
> dba? Discipline Based Art. How do you feel about it? I have a friend that
> was named Outstanding High School Art Educator of the Year 1997 in the state
> of Utah, by the Education Department at BYU, Utah. He has been twice named
> teacher of the year by the students of his high school, and is currently the
> Art Department Chairman. The University (the same one that named him art
> educator of the year) won't give him a student teacher because of his
> criticism of DBA.
Tamara Nasset on mon 22 jun 98
As far as dba is concerned, I just graduated from college in Wisconsin
and that is all tey teach us for education. If you do not teach dba, you
do not pass student teaching. I feel a couple ways about it. Sometimes I
think it is a really good idea to teach as much as possible, other
times -- I think kids take art to get away from it all and just freely
express themselves. They do not -really- care about all the other
details. They just want to make art. I haven't quite decided if I wish
to take the dba side or more of a studio aspect when I start teaching
this fall. Any ideas?
As far as the teacher -- that is pretty stupid for the U to give him
awards and then deny student teachers. Talk about sending mixed messages
to all involved!!
Rick Sherman on tue 23 jun 98
The Website for the Getty Index is
http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Gateways/index.html
From there you can get into all the material it has on DBAE. They also
have a quarterly publication for those interested.
Professor Elliot Eisner at Stanford University developed the initial
DBAE concept. He has spoken on it frequently at conferences I have
attended as well as the one for California State Art Educators which I
co-chaired. He was one of our Keynote Speakers at the Portland NCECA.
The concept is valid but it can be misapplied if it is not clearly
understood. If a faculty works on it together, it not only crosses
disciplinary lines but involves a strong proportion of the faculty in
the teaching of art concepts.
Rick Sheman
San Jose, CA USofA
sherman@ricochet.net
hal mc whinnie on tue 23 jun 98
the correct name is discipline based art education dbae and focuses on
the teaching of art in k-12 grades which intregrates art studio, art
history, art criticism and aesthetics. the problem is that it has become
a rigid and politically correct p[rogram for many and really fails at
what was initially intended which was the intregratioon of the four basic
art disciplines. it does not imply a particuliar art style or a special
way to create, in fact one of the weakness of the effort has been to
de-emphasis the creative studio role of the arts.
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:10:37 EDT William Moody writes:
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>message----------------------------
>What exactly is Discipline Based Art?
>
>Earl Brunner wrote:
>
>> ----------------------------Original
>message----------------------------
>> Are many of you teachers? In public schools? Have you had to deal
>with/teach
>> dba? Discipline Based Art. How do you feel about it? I have a
>friend that
>> was named Outstanding High School Art Educator of the Year 1997 in
>the state
>> of Utah, by the Education Department at BYU, Utah. He has been
>twice named
>> teacher of the year by the students of his high school, and is
>currently the
>> Art Department Chairman. The University (the same one that named him
>art
>> educator of the year) won't give him a student teacher because of
>his
>> criticism of DBA.
>
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