kurt l wild on wed 21 oct 98
It seems to me that it is presumptuous to ask "knowledgable people",
"people who have experience with primitive firing techniques to help"
"develop" a "program" and "assist in program preparation and
development" at their OWN expense. Since such a proposal is presented
by individuals connected with a "University College", inviting
individuals to participate and assist in program development does not
seem to be a problem; however, to do so and ask such an individual to
finance their own way does not strike me as quite fair; at least a
portion of the expense should be funded for the benefit of receiving the
desired professional help. I wonder just how many people want to pay
$550 room and board plus airfare to attend a "funshop" in order to
"assist" someone in "prparation and development" of a "program"? On
the other hand, does calling a university educational program a
"funshop" sound professional? One might be attracted to such a
program if it were advertized more like having fun in the sun making and
firing primitve pottery, or something like that!
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Kurt Wild
1000 E. Cascade
River falls, WI 54022 Phone: (715) 425-5715
web site: http://www.uwrf.edu/art/faculty/Wild
"Terry Sullivan/Nottingham Center for the Arts. San Marcos," on fri 23 oct 98
Well, since Kurt sees fit to "Flame" a post without checking out the facts;
I'm going to jump into the pending frey even before Adam Lossing responds.
Disclaimer: I do not know Adam or have any conection to his institution or
the Casa Milagros (never met or seen any of the above).
First: I don't see anything in Adams post which indicates one way or another
if the workshop ( "funshop" ) is conected with the university where he is an
art dept asst. Many of us here communicate to the net via our instutional
ISP address about private issues and even workshops etc. which are not
sponsored by that institution. Adam specificaly gives a different address for
reply so......????
Second: Since when is it unusuall to host a private (or instutionaly
sponsored) workshop and charge folks for the "privilage" of working their
butts off to help someone build , or fire, a kiln or other facillity ??? Some
examples: three days of hard work to help Fred Olsen fire his personal
anagama for the privlege of getting a couple of pots into the firing ( have
enjoyed every time and Fred and Ingrid are wonderful hosts). Two days helping
build a Minnisota Flat top kiln with Nils Lou at the home of a So. Calif.
Community college prof. Ya, we got to pay for that and had a great time. Clay
mags , and Clayart listserv, are full of workshops like this. Some cost alot
more !!@ ( Kellys Place, Anderson Ranch,etc. )
Third: $ 550 for room and board at lots of ceramic/art facilities is normal
although on the high side. Note that Casa Milagros is hardly in the catagory
of accomodations offered at any Art Center I've ever seen. It is a very very
beautiful hotel on the coast of the Pacific in a beautiful location ( ok, so
most art centers do have great location). All one has to do is check out the
web site listed in Adams post to determine this. Certainly several cuts above
the bunk house and cafe at Anderson Ranch ( which I loved ). I've traveled all
over central america and $ 550 for a weeks lodging and all meals (excellent
food by customer account) at a beautifull resort is Very Fair indeed.
I have emailed Adam and asked him to respond with more detailed information to
clear up any questions but , frankly, I don't see why he has to justify this
workshop or it's price. It seems to me to fall well within current practice.
So there, Neener Neener Neener !!
( Kurt, this isn't a personal "attack". Just lighten up some dude )
Terrance (Terry) M. Sullivan
Director and chief gofer
Nottingham Center for the Arts
http://www.nottinghamarts.org
Where we are happily struggling for peanuts to get a ceramic orientated not
for profit studio arts center going in so. california.
Anyone want to pay there own way here to help build a kiln or develope a
program.
The work is free and lunch is provided.
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