Bonita Cohn on fri 15 jan 99
I am a longtime member of a group studio, a non-profit, a co-op style place,
in the city. I'd be interested in hearing from other group studio members
about their fee structure. In particular, we need to come up with a way to
account for glaze use (and the labor charge for making them). We charge for
doing your own firing in the gas kiln and electric kilns.. There is a two
tiered system: people with their own actual space, doing their own work,
individual firings (both bisk and glaze) and buy materials and make your own
glaze. The "locker" holders pay a fee that includes their glaze and firing,
working in the community area. We have over 20 five-gallon batches of studio
pottery's greatest hits, cone 10 reduction, from copper reds to temmokus,
greens, BLUE, and black, matt AND shiny. Lockers are no longer sliding scale
and everyone, with space, and with the lockers are all using the ready made
glazes. There's no way to police this, and it's become a free-for-all. But now
we must all become accountable, 'cuz of budget projections and a threatened
raise in ALL the rents. There's a lot of finger pointing who has more space,
who uses what, etc.etc.etc.ad nauseum. How do other studios figure in charges
for dipping a few cubic feet of pottery into the group glazes? Too many
roommates! Thank you in advance.
Bonita, from San Francisco, guess where.
IVAN BERKOWITZ on tue 19 jan 99
Bonita Cohn wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am a longtime member of a group studio, a non-profit, a co-op style place,
> in the city. I'd be interested in hearing from other group studio members
> about their fee structure. In particular, we need to come up with a way to
> account for glaze use (and the labor charge for making them). We charge for
> doing your own firing in the gas kiln and electric kilns.. There is a two
> tiered system: people with their own actual space, doing their own work,
> individual firings (both bisk and glaze) and buy materials and make your own
> glaze. The "locker" holders pay a fee that includes their glaze and firing,
> working in the community area. We have over 20 five-gallon batches of studio
> pottery's greatest hits, cone 10 reduction, from copper reds to temmokus,
> greens, BLUE, and black, matt AND shiny. Lockers are no longer sliding scale
> and everyone, with space, and with the lockers are all using the ready made
> glazes. There's no way to police this, and it's become a free-for-all. But now
> we must all become accountable, 'cuz of budget projections and a threatened
> raise in ALL the rents. There's a lot of finger pointing who has more space,
> who uses what, etc.etc.etc.ad nauseum. How do other studios figure in charges
> for dipping a few cubic feet of pottery into the group glazes? Too many
> roommates! Thank you in advance.
> Bonita, from San Francisco, guess where.
i would love to get answers to this question since i have a pal with
whom i'm starting to talk of an "artist clony" - more to sell as a
group, wholesale and retail
thanks
ivan
Patty Rau on tue 19 jan 99
Bonita Cohn wrote:
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am a longtime member of a group studio, a non-profit, a co-op style place,
in the city. I'd be interested in hearing from other group studio members
about their fee structure. In particular, we need to come up with a way to
account for glaze use (and the labor charge for making them). We charge for
doing your own firing in the gas kiln and electric kilns.. There is a two
tiered system: people with their own actual space, doing their own work,
individual firings (both bisk and glaze) and buy materials and make your own
glaze. The "locker" holders pay a fee that includes their glaze and firing,
working in the community area. We have over 20 five-gallon batches of studio
pottery's greatest hits, cone 10 reduction, from copper reds to temmokus,
greens, BLUE, and black, matt AND shiny. Lockers are no longer sliding scale
and everyone, with space, and with the lockers are all using the ready made
glazes. There's no way to police this, and it's become a free-for-all. But now
we must all become accountable, 'cuz of budget projections and a threatened
raise in ALL the rents. There's a lot of finger pointing who has more space,
who uses what, etc.etc.etc.ad nauseum. How do other studios figure in charges
for dipping a few cubic feet of pottery into the group glazes? Too many
roommates! Thank you in advance.
Bonita, from San Francisco, guess where.
i currently work in a group studio and glaze costs are included in
firing costs. there is one monthly fee for space rental in the building,
this includes shelves, use of equipment (like the wheels or slab roller)
and bisque firing. Glaze firing is a separate charge based on how much
stuff you fire. Glaze firing charges are determined by how many cubic
feet of space your peice take in the kiln, and the cost for glaze
materials is included in that price. so if i fire one piece and someone
else fires ten, they are going to be paying more becuase their stuff
takes up more space and used more glaze. this seems to be a fair and
fairly simple way of handling it. people with more shelf space pay for
the extra shelves. all the rates are determined by how many shelves you
have, or how many cubic feet of kiln space you use. it works well.
hope this helps some.
Patty
thropots@visi.com
Jodie Lorberbaum on wed 20 jan 99
Dear Tempest,
Figure out all the costs and divide it by how many people use
your art supplies. You could also alternate who pays each time supplies are
needed. If that doesn't work out have a group meeting to get ideas from the
people in your group that they think would be fair ways to divide fairly the
costs. If that doesn't work, MOVE OUT!!!!!!!!! I hope I've helped! Jodie
Lori Pierce on thu 21 jan 99
Patty, Thanks for that concise info. I am being asked to share my new studio
in my new state and its been so long since I did anything like that, I need
hard info on current costs. Can you share that? For instance, What size
shelf for how much $. How is studio time and use regulated? What is the
glaze charge per cu.inch or foot? Are the kilns electric or gas, and who
fires them? Is the cost of clay included in the glaze cost, or is it
purchased separately through the co-op. And last but not least, how are
members selected? Is there a trial period before becoming a member etc,
Here, unlike the north, I find so many hobbyists with no hard core
knowledge, as well as little desire for in depth knowledge, but a great
desire to make presents and socialize. I know I am spoiled. Years ago I had
a potters workshop group and the members had all completed their basic
educations but for one reason or another were not ready to establish their
own studios. That was a great group, but now, on one level, these retired
"ladies" terrify me. HELP! Lori in New Port Richey FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Patty Rau
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: tempest in the teapot factory
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Bonita Cohn wrote:
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am a longtime member of a group studio, a non-profit, a co-op style place,
in the city. I'd be interested in hearing from other group studio members
about their fee structure. In particular, we need to come up with a way to
account for glaze use (and the labor charge for making them). We charge for
doing your own firing in the gas kiln and electric kilns.. There is a two
tiered system: people with their own actual space, doing their own work,
individual firings (both bisk and glaze) and buy materials and make your own
glaze. The "locker" holders pay a fee that includes their glaze and firing,
working in the community area. We have over 20 five-gallon batches of studio
pottery's greatest hits, cone 10 reduction, from copper reds to temmokus,
greens, BLUE, and black, matt AND shiny. Lockers are no longer sliding scale
and everyone, with space, and with the lockers are all using the ready made
glazes. There's no way to police this, and it's become a free-for-all. But
now
we must all become accountable, 'cuz of budget projections and a threatened
raise in ALL the rents. There's a lot of finger pointing who has more
space,
who uses what, etc.etc.etc.ad nauseum. How do other studios figure in
charges
for dipping a few cubic feet of pottery into the group glazes? Too many
roommates! Thank you in advance.
Bonita, from San Francisco, guess where.
i currently work in a group studio and glaze costs are included in
firing costs. there is one monthly fee for space rental in the building,
this includes shelves, use of equipment (like the wheels or slab roller)
and bisque firing. Glaze firing is a separate charge based on how much
stuff you fire. Glaze firing charges are determined by how many cubic
feet of space your peice take in the kiln, and the cost for glaze
materials is included in that price. so if i fire one piece and someone
else fires ten, they are going to be paying more becuase their stuff
takes up more space and used more glaze. this seems to be a fair and
fairly simple way of handling it. people with more shelf space pay for
the extra shelves. all the rates are determined by how many shelves you
have, or how many cubic feet of kiln space you use. it works well.
hope this helps some.
Patty
thropots@visi.com
Patty Rau on fri 22 jan 99
Let me first clarify, that the reason i didn't include prices in my
original message is two-fold: one-i don't run the studio and determin
the prices, i rent space there, and two-cost of living and reasonable
prices varies a great deal from one location to another. I'm working in
Minneaplis, MN and i'm sure rates are much cheaper here than can be
expect on either coast. Cost of living is less, wages are less, and rent
is less, than either the east or west coast from my understanding. That
being said, I will do my best to answer your questions with specifics
taken right off the most recent price sheet from them:
Studio Membership is:
$75 per month (for one shelf ... about 18" x 4')
$85 per month (two shelves)
$100 per month (full rack of 4 shelves)
Included in Monthly Membership Fee:
Free access to studio equipment and glazes during studio hours
Free bisque firing (Limit 4 cubic feet or 40 pieces which ever
is greater)
Reduced Firing Fees (1/2 cubic ft. minimum)
Electric Glaze Firing (Cone 6 or 05) -- $8 per cubic foot
Reduction High Fire (Cone 10) -- $12 per cubic foot
Firing Membership:
$120 per year or
$40 per month
Includes:
Reduced Firing Fees (1/2 cubic ft minimum)
Bisque Electric Firing (Cone 06) -- $4 per cubic foot
Electric Glaze Firing (Cone 6 or 05) -- $8 per cubic foot
Reduction High Fire (Cone 10) -- $12 per cubic foot
Optional Serivces
Access to stduio equipment and glazes -- $2.50 per 1/2 hour
spent in the studio
With either of these Memberships you are limited to accessing the studio
when it is open (and thus, someone is there in charge). The studio hours
are:
Monday: 6:00pm to 9:00pm
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thurdsday: 11:00am to 9:00pm
Friday, Saturday, Sunday: Noon to 6:00pm
There are three ladies that run the place and take turns opening the
studio. Someone is always there that is "running" the place. Walk-ins
are welcome and are charged by the hour. They are currently setting up a
small retail space, and get a 20% commission off any of our work that
sells through them. The hours are subject to change as they determine
what times the studio is used more. They recently increased the hours
due to the high traffic over christmas and are constantly evaluating
what works best for the most number of members.
What i currently have is the semi-private studio space. This has 24 hour
access, and is located in a different room from the main studio. I can
still use the equipment in the studio during regular hours. But for my
space, I must provide a wheel, etc. They provide one rack of shelves and
a table in the space. That is $150 per month. Firing charges are the
same as for the Studio Membership.
People must supply their own clay, or buy it from the studio. What the
studio supplies is the shelves, wheels, a slab roller and an extruder.
The owners of the studio do all the firings and mixing of glazes. We can
use any of the glazes they have or mix our own. There is no extra cost
for glazing, i think they just include it in the firing charges.
As for how members get selected. You stop by, they show you around the
studio and explain the rules. Yes, they have rules to run the studio by,
and if you don't follow them, they have the right to ask you to leave.
Mostly the rules are common sense and courteous.
Hope that answers most of your questions. Like i said, I don't run the
place i just rent from them. So how they came up with the pricing
structure? I don't know. I do know that they are constantly evaluating
how things are going and making adjustments to keep the studio running
smoothly and efficently. I'm just happy to have found them, as i'm sure
my landlord wouldn't appreaciate me putting a wheel in the kitchen of
our little 2 bedroom apartment. or a kiln in the parking lot :)
thropots@visi.com
Patty Rau =^.^=
----------------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> Patty, Thanks for that concise info. I am being asked to share my new studio
> in my new state and its been so long since I did anything like that, I need
> hard info on current costs. Can you share that? For instance, What size
> shelf for how much $. How is studio time and use regulated? What is the
> glaze charge per cu.inch or foot? Are the kilns electric or gas, and who
> fires them? Is the cost of clay included in the glaze cost, or is it
> purchased separately through the co-op. And last but not least, how are
> members selected? Is there a trial period before becoming a member etc,
> Here, unlike the north, I find so many hobbyists with no hard core
> knowledge, as well as little desire for in depth knowledge, but a great
> desire to make presents and socialize. I know I am spoiled. Years ago I had
> a potters workshop group and the members had all completed their basic
> educations but for one reason or another were not ready to establish their
> own studios. That was a great group, but now, on one level, these retired
> "ladies" terrify me. HELP! Lori in New Port Richey FL
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