Jennifer Rhinesmith on thu 29 oct 98
I'd like to thank Donn for this post. When I first started in clay I
had no idea how important glazing would become to me. I had a
wonderful, talented instructor who taught me all that he knew of glazes
and glaze making, still gives me advise. He has moved on to another
school, where I hope he has great students. The new instructor I have
insistes that I do not need to test glazes, because it may mess up the
shelves. I feel that the glazes and our recipies are like a painters
pallette. We must always mix new colors. I told my new instructor that
without testing glazes I might as well die. My glaze book is like my
Bible, I never leave it far from me. I fowarded this post to my new
instructor, hoping he will come to understand. Thank You Again,
Jennifer in Alpine
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>From: Donn Buchfinck
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>
>when I was an undergrad there was this student that had this rutile
blue glaze
>he got from his aunt, man it worked great, but he didn't give it out,
it was
>his money maker, he would sit at the wheel and look at a pot and say"
yea
>they will buy that" and it was true, his pots leapt off the shelves
into
>peoples bags.
>
>what I find disturbing is this fact of not testing, I know people that
when
>they fire they ALWAYS have new glaze tests in a kiln.
>
>look if you want some great glazes Val Cushing sells a glaze notebook
for
>around 25 dollars I think, Lives in Alfred Station New York.
>
>and if other people want some more glazes I will scan my whole notebook
into
>my computer and send them off to you.
>that includes Anderson ranch, and the Kansas City art institute glazes.
And
>any other I can get my hands on
>
>to get great results WE HAVE TO KEEP TESTING
>
>I own a Giel kiln and if fires to cone 10 with two adjustments.
>people who are firing a kiln need to learn that a kiln is like a long
distance
>runner, and It is important to not trip that runner up. And I believe
that
>there are a lot of kilns out there that are built that work against
>themselves. If you are interested in what I mean I will elaborate
further ,
>but I feel we have gone over this in other posts.
>
>I have no problem giving out how I do things in clay, I figure that if
anyone
>wants to make my stuff and does it, then I will just rotate and make
something
>different. I feel this is where the delineation between art and craft
comes
>in, craft works from a tradition, art cuts a new path.
>
>My post about sending the recipe out is that if some glazes do not seem
to be
>giving the desired effect, to solve the problem a person needs all the
>information, glaze recipe, firing cycle, thickness of glaze. I want
people
>to have success in making pots.
>
>get a blender, blend up small batches of the glaze, make large test
tiles,
>inches high 2 inches wide, those 1 inch x 1 inch tiles are worthless,
double
>dip the tile all the way down and then to half, I developed a count
system.
>Develop a system for your glazing. When you are done throw the rest of
the
>glaze into a scrap glaze bucket, when it gets full of all those tests,
mix it
>up and test it, sometimes great things come of those scrap glazes.
>
>A potter can never have too many glazes in a notebook.
>
>the way I was taught about reading a cone is that the tip has to be
bent down
>even with where it comes out of the wadding it is stuffed into. I
think if
>you are firing to c10 and your 11 is down then it's called 11. I could
be
>wrong.
>
>Lastly I do not understand why anyone would hobble a new clay person
and not
>encourage them to test all the new glazes they can get their hands on,
I feel
>it is called developing ones own way with clay. Just because someone
has been
>using a glaze for 30 years doesn't mean that I will want the same
glazes I
>use today 30 years later.
>
>
>Donn Buchfinck
>
>
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Earl Brunner on sun 1 nov 98
I am curious. Does you new instructor limit the glazes used to the few
recipes of the studio? And does he/she test each new batch mixed? If in
fact the REAL reason for discouraging testing is to limit the damage to kiln
furniture, there are easy ways to make yur test shapes that will
automatically catch and contain any drips or runs. How can a TEACHER
discourage testing and experimentation? Good luck with this one. Sounds
too much like the ones that down play the value of learning how to throw
well on the wheel.
Earl Brunner in Nevada where Halloween is a State holiday!
Jennifer Rhinesmith wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I'd like to thank Donn for this post. When I first started in clay I
> had no idea how important glazing would become to me. I had a
> wonderful, talented instructor who taught me all that he knew of glazes
> and glaze making, still gives me advise. He has moved on to another
> school, where I hope he has great students. The new instructor I have
> insistes that I do not need to test glazes, because it may mess up the
> shelves. I feel that the glazes and our recipies are like a painters
> pallette. We must always mix new colors. I told my new instructor that
> without testing glazes I might as well die. My glaze book is like my
> Bible, I never leave it far from me. I fowarded this post to my new
> instructor, hoping he will come to understand. Thank You Again,
> Jennifer in Alpine
>
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> >----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> >
> >when I was an undergrad there was this student that had this rutile
> blue glaze
> >he got from his aunt, man it worked great, but he didn't give it out,
> it was
> >his money maker, he would sit at the wheel and look at a pot and say"
> yea
> >they will buy that" and it was true, his pots leapt off the shelves
> into
> >peoples bags.
> >
> >what I find disturbing is this fact of not testing, I know people that
> when
> >they fire they ALWAYS have new glaze tests in a kiln.
> >
> >look if you want some great glazes Val Cushing sells a glaze notebook
> for
> >around 25 dollars I think, Lives in Alfred Station New York.
> >
> >and if other people want some more glazes I will scan my whole notebook
> into
> >my computer and send them off to you.
> >that includes Anderson ranch, and the Kansas City art institute glazes.
> And
> >any other I can get my hands on
> >
> >to get great results WE HAVE TO KEEP TESTING
> >
> >I own a Giel kiln and if fires to cone 10 with two adjustments.
> >people who are firing a kiln need to learn that a kiln is like a long
> distance
> >runner, and It is important to not trip that runner up. And I believe
> that
> >there are a lot of kilns out there that are built that work against
> >themselves. If you are interested in what I mean I will elaborate
> further ,
> >but I feel we have gone over this in other posts.
> >
> >I have no problem giving out how I do things in clay, I figure that if
> anyone
> >wants to make my stuff and does it, then I will just rotate and make
> something
> >different. I feel this is where the delineation between art and craft
> comes
> >in, craft works from a tradition, art cuts a new path.
> >
> >My post about sending the recipe out is that if some glazes do not seem
> to be
> >giving the desired effect, to solve the problem a person needs all the
> >information, glaze recipe, firing cycle, thickness of glaze. I want
> people
> >to have success in making pots.
> >
> >get a blender, blend up small batches of the glaze, make large test
> tiles,
> >inches high 2 inches wide, those 1 inch x 1 inch tiles are worthless,
> double
> >dip the tile all the way down and then to half, I developed a count
> system.
> >Develop a system for your glazing. When you are done throw the rest of
> the
> >glaze into a scrap glaze bucket, when it gets full of all those tests,
> mix it
> >up and test it, sometimes great things come of those scrap glazes.
> >
> >A potter can never have too many glazes in a notebook.
> >
> >the way I was taught about reading a cone is that the tip has to be
> bent down
> >even with where it comes out of the wadding it is stuffed into. I
> think if
> >you are firing to c10 and your 11 is down then it's called 11. I could
> be
> >wrong.
> >
> >Lastly I do not understand why anyone would hobble a new clay person
> and not
> >encourage them to test all the new glazes they can get their hands on,
> I feel
> >it is called developing ones own way with clay. Just because someone
> has been
> >using a glaze for 30 years doesn't mean that I will want the same
> glazes I
> >use today 30 years later.
> >
> >
> >Donn Buchfinck
> >
> >
>
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