Christopher Greenman on wed 4 nov 98
Our art department is suffering from lack of funds...a familiar story I'm
sure. My clay studio budget for this YEAR is $600....now this will serve
about 14-20 students. I am building the program from a neglectful past and
feel that funding shortages are part of the reason for the progams' neglect. I
graduated from a program that ecouraged students to use as much material as
they could...experience with the material is key in learning...yet not to the
point of wasting.
I would like to know what other university clay programs have for budgets and
how they handle budgets....Please do not suggest pot sales as my Dean will not
let us sell to help the program ...go figure....
I would appreciate any help as I would like to show the responses I recieve to
my director and dean.
TIA
Chris Greenman
Alabama State University
kelldogn@aol.com
Mike Gordon on thu 5 nov 98
Hi,
I teach high school - 5 ceramics classes- 185 kids, 5 days a week, 55
minutes per class. I get $232.00 per class for the year.I sell the clay
to the students for @ $4.00 per 25lb. bag over the cost, to the school,
per ton of clay. The cost of each bag is comperable to the cost if they
were to go out and buy it from any of the local ceramic stores.Bottom
line is I can buy a new electric wheel, Brent, Creative Industries, or
Shimpo each year. The last time the Distric bought any new equipment for
ceramics was 24 yrs ago when the school opened! Good luck, Mike
Erin Hayes on thu 5 nov 98
Christopher,
Do you have a lab fee program at your school to pay for clay and
chemicals or do you just have one budget for everything? We get an
equipment budget of about $1500 a year for the whole art department, and
that usually goes to easels, rolling mills and banding wheels. The
school in the past has bought us one wheel a year since all the wheels
were older than me when I got here. This is finished now, so I don't
know what to expect.
The school charges $25 for a beginning class and $35 for advanced to pay
for clay and materials. This brings us just about even. We spend about
$3000 per year on clay and chemicals (don't know if that's a lot - it
keeps us working), and the lab fees cover that with a little left over.
It's odd not to allow a Clay Sale. This was how we actually finished
replacing our wheels, bought an extruder and a whole mess of bats for
the studio. Once at Thanksgiving and once in the Spring - and it's a
sacred event, too. People ask about it all year long.
What we did was to have the Controller of the College set up a seperate
account on campus for the sale, and the money is deposited and spent
only from there. That way the auditors can see what it is really
easily. However, it looks like we'll be dealing with an inventory or
something like it soon since they want to know who bought what and how
much we had to sell, etc. Pain in the backside, but it buys us things
the school could never afford.
The only fear we have is that the bean counters will realize we do well
enough at the sale to take away that $1500 a year for the whole
department. We keep our mouths closed about the whole thing and hope...
Erin.
Louis Ballard on thu 5 nov 98
The French or German Club has Bake Sales?
The Athletic Teams Sell T-Shirts?
The Ski Club sells Raffle Tickets?
The Pottery Club sells Pots?
50/50 split. Half to the Department for Material & Equipment Fund.
Half to the student for New Tools, Supplies and Their Favorite
Commercial Glazes. Tell Dean Whats-His-Name these things aren't cheap
and to SHOW HIS SUPPORT for the Art Students by going to the Pot Sale
if he has any support to give. Yes you may show him this letter.
Yours in Clay, Louis Ballard
Ceramic Instructor: Parkland College & Danville Area Community College
(Illinois) We also accept donations from Ceramic Shops (discontinued
glazes, old molds, firebrick etc..) Find a Faculty member or another Dean
with some Tenure and Influence to go to bat for you?
Marcia Selsor on fri 6 nov 98
Dear Christopher,
Does this money include their clay and glaze material?
I have never had $600. My budget is now $100 and that is being held back.
My students pay a $60 lab fee which has been approved by the Board of
Regents. This gives me about $6600/year for clay and glaze materials.
This is also what MSU Bozeman charges and about what UM in Missoula
charges. Grads pay $90 in Bozeman.
This was suppose to cover materials only but the department thinks kiln
shelves and maintenance should come out of this also. UM pays their
workstudies out of their lab fees. I may have to start doing that as well.
Facility Services charged $2/box to deliver premixed clay for an
extension course when the clay was deliver to the plant garage. That was
double shipping. It is getting tougher to make ends meet but there are
more students looking for a lazy Gen Ed and their lab fees help cover
for those who produce and experiment or who ruin kiln shelves.
Marcia in Montana
Christopher Greenman wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Our art department is suffering from lack of funds...a familiar story I'm
> sure. My clay studio budget for this YEAR is $600....now this will serve
> about 14-20 students. I am building the program from a neglectful past and
> feel that funding shortages are part of the reason for the progams' neglect. I
> graduated from a program that ecouraged students to use as much material as
> they could...experience with the material is key in learning...yet not to the
> point of wasting.
>
> I would like to know what other university clay programs have for budgets and
> how they handle budgets....Please do not suggest pot sales as my Dean will not
> let us sell to help the program ...go figure....
>
> I would appreciate any help as I would like to show the responses I recieve to
> my director and dean.
>
> TIA
>
> Chris Greenman
> Alabama State University
> kelldogn@aol.com
Louis Katz on fri 6 nov 98
Hi Chris,
Please send us more information. Is this the budget for materials? Or does it
include repairs, and capital expenditures?
We have a $32 lab fee that covers materials and some repairs and small tools.
Larger expenditures come from other funds. We buy our clay dry. We have never ru
out, but every one is building multiple 3 foot + tall pots this semester and it
will hurt my budget.
Louis
Louis Katz
lkatz@falcon.tamucc.edu
NCECA Director At Large
Texas A&M-CC Division of Visual and Performing Arts Webmaster (512) 994-5987
Greg Lamont on fri 6 nov 98
At 09:25 AM 11/5/98 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>The French or German Club has Bake Sales?
>The Athletic Teams Sell T-Shirts?
>The Ski Club sells Raffle Tickets?
>The Pottery Club sells Pots?
>50/50 split. Half to the Department for Material & Equipment Fund.
>Half to the student for New Tools, Supplies and Their Favorite
>Commercial Glazes. Tell Dean Whats-His-Name these things aren't cheap
>and to SHOW HIS SUPPORT for the Art Students by going to the Pot Sale
>if he has any support to give. Yes you may show him this letter.
>
>Yours in Clay, Louis Ballard
>Ceramic Instructor: Parkland College & Danville Area Community College
>(Illinois) We also accept donations from Ceramic Shops (discontinued
>glazes, old molds, firebrick etc..) Find a Faculty member or another Dean
>with some Tenure and Influence to go to bat for you?
>
Here at Iowa State, the ceramics students belonging to the College of
Design Art Club (CODAC) have held a clay sale during the week preceeding
finals each semester. The sale started out as a way for students to "get
rid" of the pieces they didn't want to take home--many things sold for 1 or
2 bucks. Iit has progressed to students actually producing work with this
event in mind. As a result, their work, and thus the overall quality of
the work they produce, has greatly improved. Last spring, for example, a
couple of advanced students made well over $1000 each in gross sales. One
of these students made a pair of large carved and incised pedestals for
those 9" diameter, 3-wick pillar candles and sold them for close to $200
each! The student gets to keep 60% of the sales, CODAC gets 40% which goes
to fund workshops, kiln shelves, kilns, etc. Last springs sale netted over
$7000 and the fall semesters' sale--coming just at peak holday buying
season, does even better. The students get the experience of what it's
like to sell their work and it's a real boost to the ego when customers
purchase something they've made. Faculty and staff from across the campus
begin arriving an hour before the sale begins to "pre-select" their
favorite pieces and the first few hours are a buying frenzy.
Regards,
Greg Lamont
3011 Northwood Dr.
Ames, Iowa 50010-4750
515/233-3442
gdlamont@iastate.edu
Dannon Rhudy on fri 6 nov 98
At 09:39 AM 11/4/98 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
lack of funds...a familiar story I'm
>sure. My clay studio budget for this YEAR is $600.... serve
>about 14-20 students.
It is going to be pretty tough to have enough clay and glaze
materials for 20 people on $300/semester. That is only $15/
student. Not very many pounds of clay, and that is without
considering the cost of the glaze materials. It might be helpful
to actually show how much the clay costs, how many pounds
per student that makes, how many things they can make out
of such limited supplies, and point out that there are other items
which must be acquired too, further cutting the amount of
materials available per student. The students themselves ought
to raise hell, sometimes that gets heard faster than anything
that the instructor might say. How much is the fee, if any, for
the students taking the class?
We have a pot sale just before Christmas. The students look
forward to it, and people buy a lot. A percentage goes into a
fund with it's own account number (only way I'd agree to have
the sale). The students can use this to bring in visiting artists,
(a thing the school will NEVER fund) or to go to workshops
elsewhere. They could use it for equipment, but I don't feel that
they should have to do that. Computer majors don't have to
buy thier own computers out of sales of THEIR work. As if.
It is tough to get a decent budget. The art department is
least important/powerful in most schools, and ceramics is often
far down the list within the department itself. You'll have to
fight for what you need, so arm yourself with all the information
you can gather, and break it down into specifics for presentation.
It makes more of an impression to say " with X pounds of clay,
a student can only make X average pieces of work. We meet X days,
that amount of material will only last (a week, a day, whatever - be specific
and don't back down).
Wish you well in this.
Dannon Rhudy
potter@koyote.com
I am building the program from a neglectful past and
>feel that funding shortages are part of the reason for the progams'
neglect. I
>graduated from a program that ecouraged students to use as much material as
>they could...experience with the material is key in learning...yet not to the
>point of wasting.
>
>I would like to know what other university clay programs have for budgets and
>how they handle budgets....Please do not suggest pot sales as my Dean will
not
>let us sell to help the program ...go figure....
>
>I would appreciate any help as I would like to show the responses I
recieve to
>my director and dean.
>
>TIA
>
>Chris Greenman
>Alabama State University
>kelldogn@aol.com
>
Darrell Gargus on sat 7 nov 98
That seems like a really cheap fee for clay and glazes. At the
University I went to, each student had to keep track of how much clay
they made and what type. One semester I had a clay bill of around $100.
It was worth it to me. The highfire stone ware is $27/full batch,
lowfire red clay was $35/full batch, and porcelin was...I think around
$35-40/full batch. Then the glazes were supplied unless you bought your
own lowfire or you could make some. The only thing was if the material
wasn't in the class and you needed it to make a glaze, then you had to
buy it. It was yours though and no one else could use it. I was told
that some universities make the students pay for the fireings. Is this
true? anyone?
thanks
becky
Erin Hayes wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Christopher,
>
> Do you have a lab fee program at your school to pay for clay and
> chemicals or do you just have one budget for everything? We get an
> equipment budget of about $1500 a year for the whole art department, and
> that usually goes to easels, rolling mills and banding wheels. The
> school in the past has bought us one wheel a year since all the wheels
> were older than me when I got here. This is finished now, so I don't
> know what to expect.
>
> The school charges $25 for a beginning class and $35 for advanced to pay
> for clay and materials. This brings us just about even. We spend about
> $3000 per year on clay and chemicals (don't know if that's a lot - it
> keeps us working), and the lab fees cover that with a little left over.
>
> It's odd not to allow a Clay Sale. This was how we actually finished
> replacing our wheels, bought an extruder and a whole mess of bats for
> the studio. Once at Thanksgiving and once in the Spring - and it's a
> sacred event, too. People ask about it all year long.
>
> What we did was to have the Controller of the College set up a seperate
> account on campus for the sale, and the money is deposited and spent
> only from there. That way the auditors can see what it is really
> easily. However, it looks like we'll be dealing with an inventory or
> something like it soon since they want to know who bought what and how
> much we had to sell, etc. Pain in the backside, but it buys us things
> the school could never afford.
>
> The only fear we have is that the bean counters will realize we do well
> enough at the sale to take away that $1500 a year for the whole
> department. We keep our mouths closed about the whole thing and hope...
>
> Erin.
Vicki Katz on mon 9 nov 98
I am a "mature student" and I attended a jr. college nearby prior to going to
a university to study clay. I cannot imagine how you can build a clay
program on so little money. However, I can make some suggestions as we ran
out of money in the jr. college - have a bake sale. It sounds goofy, but we
raised $300 at one & that was almost enough for a pallet of clay. I organized
it so the pressure was not on the professor. Now, we did sell some pots too as
we rationalized that they had been 'baked' also, but most of the $$ came from
selling home made food that the students brought in.
And this is also not a good solution, but one that works - have a garage sale.
I have organized garage sales as fundraisers & made up to $900. The students
may not have a great deal of things to donate, but they have the energy to
collect caste offs from the university staff OR their own families.
Announce your ideas in the school paper & put notices up all over the school.
They are silly ideas, but tried & true ones. The students can organize them
for you.
GOOD LUCK,
Vicki Katz
Jay S. Gertz on tue 10 nov 98
Vicki Katz wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am a "mature student" and I attended a jr. college nearby prior to going to
> a university to study clay. I cannot imagine how you can build a clay
> program on so little money. However, I can make some suggestions as we ran
> out of money in the jr. college - have a bake sale. It sounds goofy, but we
> raised $300 at one & that was almost enough for a pallet of clay. I organized
> it so the pressure was not on the professor. Now, we did sell some pots too as
> we rationalized that they had been 'baked' also, but most of the $$ came from
> selling home made food that the students brought in.
> And this is also not a good solution, but one that works - have a garage sale.
> I have organized garage sales as fundraisers & made up to $900. The students
> may not have a great deal of things to donate, but they have the energy to
> collect caste offs from the university staff OR their own families.
> Announce your ideas in the school paper & put notices up all over the school.
> They are silly ideas, but tried & true ones. The students can organize them
> for you.
> GOOD LUCK,
> Vicki Katz
Hi all,
The Ceramics Dept. at UNCA has ceramics sales twice a year. All the studen
that wish to participate give up 10-20% of what they mark the item for sale. Th
keep the balance. I am not currently in that dept. so I'm not sure what the exa
% that the dept. keeps. I believe they use the money to fund equipment and
supplies that the tight university budget doesn't meet. I've heard they had a
"Soup & salad" sale, where patrons go over to buy not only what they wanna eat,
but the bowls and plates as well. A student told me they made $1200 in the firs
4 hours! Jay
Randall Moody on wed 11 nov 98
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicki Katz
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: University Art Budgets
Here at Southern Illinois University we have an annual "Z-ware" sale. We mix
a big cart of clay and all interested students both grads and undergrads
come in over a weekend and throw all day. The pots are then sold with a cut
going to the school and a cut going to the maker. I love it! It is one of
the only times I get to work along side of the other students since most
have studios. It also builds a sense of community in the department. The
only part I don't like is having to glaze all of the stuff I made over that
week end! :)
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