Jim Cullen on fri 18 sep 98
Just got a copy of Greg Daly's "Glazes and Glazing Techniques" (Thanks Steven,
It's exactly what I wanted). In all the photos showing spraying they show a
vacuum cleaner spray gun (at least I think that's what it is). I've looked
through about six clay suppliers catalogs and none of them show this type of
spray gun. Does anyone have a source for a vacuum cleaner spray gun??? Do I
have to go to my local Oreck dealer? How do you determine the PSI of a vacuum
cleaner outlet? What are the pluses and minuses of using this type of
sprayer?.
I have also looked at the conventional type compressor and spray guns. The
clay suppliers have the 1/10th or 1/12th HP compressors the range in price
from $120 to $190. Sears has a 2 HP Craftsman they sell for $99.99. The 1/10th
and 12th HP compressors put out about 40 PSI and probably require a regulator
to gauge the PSI. The Sears compressor puts out up to 125 PSI with a built-in
pseudo regulator to select different outputs.
Does anyone have any experience with the vacuum cleaner type glaze spray guns?
Where should I be looking to buy one? Is this a good, best, better tool than a
conventional spray gun and compressor? Has anyone used the Bailey Studio Spray
Gun with a conventional compressor?
So many questions...so little time. TIA
Keep Centered
CULLEN
Naperville, Illinois
gwalker on sat 19 sep 98
Jim,
We use a vacuum cleaner spray gun all the time, and even though we have
spent staggering amounts of money on other recommended guns, this is the
one to use. I have to buy a re-condtioned barrel-type cleaner once in a
while, but the guns last for years. Bought another one yesterday, as a
matter of fact for $15.00 (Australian).
The cleaner is the barrel type (Hoover in this case), and one simply
takes the hose from the normal entry end and plugs it into the exit end.
Control of the spray "shape"is adjustable using the knurled knob on the
gun, and the flow of fluid (glaze in our case) is done with the index
finger simply covering a pair of holes on top of the gun. Air flows
constantly.
Hope you can find one of these old suckers. Good luck!
Geoff Walker,
Cronulla Pottery,
Gold Coast.
Don Prey on sat 19 sep 98
In a message dated 09/18/98 5:35:21 AM, you wrote:
<spray gun. Does anyone have a source for a vacuum cleaner spray gun??? Do I
have to go to my local Oreck dealer? How do you determine the PSI of a vacuum
cleaner outlet? What are the pluses and minuses of using this type of
sprayer?.
I have also looked at the conventional type compressor and spray guns. The
clay suppliers have the 1/10th or 1/12th HP compressors the range in price
from $120 to $190. Sears has a 2 HP Craftsman they sell for $99.99. The 1/10th
and 12th HP compressors put out about 40 PSI and probably require a regulator
to gauge the PSI. The Sears compressor puts out up to 125 PSI with a built-in
pseudo regulator to select different outputs.
Does anyone have any experience with the vacuum cleaner type glaze spray guns?
Where should I be looking to buy one? Is this a good, best, better tool than a
conventional spray gun and compressor? Has anyone used the Bailey Studio Spray
Gun with a conventional compressor?>>
Cullen,
Within the last two months I have cornered the market on vacuum spray guns in
our town. Two of them came from Goodwill and the other two from St. Vincent
dePaul. Total expenditure was two dollars (US). They are all "SUDS-O-MATIC
SPRAY GUNS" and were (are?) an accessory for the Kirby vacuum cleaner. I
don't think these had ever been used by the original owners....and one is a
really nice magenta color. I use them with a standard shop vac. PSI rating
is not relevant since they are a simple aspirator system and it is air
velocity that is doing the job. A friend recently bought a Bailey (Critter)
unit and is pleased with it. The Bailey is also a simple aspirator system,
however it is designed to provide a much finer mist of sprayed material so you
get more control and less over spray. The Bailey is better for small items
and the SUDS-O-MATIC would be my choice for large items requiring a broad
coverage (it also would cut the spray time way down). I also set up one of my
students with a spray rig consisting of one SUDS-O-MATIC (i love that name)
gun and a pretty nice used shop vac from the recycle place......total
cost......$5.50. Considering the cost it works damm fine.
Look in the archives....Vince did a very good compressor note not to long ago
that is required reading for you.
Don Prey in Oregon
Bill Aycock on sun 20 sep 98
Cullen- the first glazes I ever sprayed were with a vacuum-cleaner sprayer;
in my case, an Electrolux. Contrary to the description given for some
others, this was not a simple aspirator- the container was pressurized by
the air, directly, if you covered the hole on the top.
The action was- the air blows through it all the time the thing is hooked
up- the tube to deliver the glaze to the air stream iis in the bottle, and
one of the air passages is connected to the bottle, but- is free to blow
out into the room unless the hole is covered. when the hole is covered, the
bottle is pressurized (low pressure) and the glaze squirts into the nozzle,
where it mixes with the main air stream.
One of the real advantages to this gadget is that there is a constant air
stream, that can be used to dry the glaze after putting some on. An
interesting effect can be seen if you put too much glaze on, so you have a
wet surface, then chase it around on the pot with the air- FUN. (Havent
done that in YEARS)
Good luck- Bill- sitting on Persimmon Hill- watching trees die, because
there has been no rain since July. (I cry, a little)
Bill Aycock --- Persimmon Hill
Woodville, Alabama, US 35776
(in the N.E. corner of the State)
W4BSG -- Grid EM64vr
baycock@HiWAAY.net
Maggie Woodhead on sun 20 sep 98
Hello Don! Kia Ora!
Here in New Zealand we potters who
spray pots can use a vacuum cleaner called 'Electrolux'. There were a
couple of models which had a spray attachment and these can be picked
up here at a reasonable price in the 2nd hand shops. I only use mine
occasionally as I do not make that many large pots but it works fairly
well once you have mastered the skill of holding it and turning the pot.
I was taught by someone who was very good at it and have been happy with
the results.
My cleaner is one I have had for years, no longer used in the house!!!
----Best Wishes Maggie----
maggie@clear.net.nz
wrightspot on sun 20 sep 98
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> From: Jim Cullen
> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: Vacuum Cleaner Spray Gun
> Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 10:34 PM
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Just got a copy of Greg Daly's "Glazes and Glazing Techniques" (Thanks
Steven,
> It's exactly what I wanted). In all the photos showing spraying they
show a
> vacuum cleaner spray gun (at least I think that's what it is). I've
looked
> through about six clay suppliers catalogs and none of them show this type
of
> spray gun. Does anyone have a source for a vacuum cleaner spray gun??? Do
I
> have to go to my local Oreck dealer? How do you determine the PSI of a
vacuum
> cleaner outlet? What are the pluses and minuses of using this type of
> sprayer?.
>
> I have also looked at the conventional type compressor and spray guns.
The
> clay suppliers have the 1/10th or 1/12th HP compressors the range in
price
> from $120 to $190. Sears has a 2 HP Craftsman they sell for $99.99. The
1/10th
> and 12th HP compressors put out about 40 PSI and probably require a
regulator
> to gauge the PSI. The Sears compressor puts out up to 125 PSI with a
built-in
> pseudo regulator to select different outputs.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the vacuum cleaner type glaze spray
guns?
> Where should I be looking to buy one? Is this a good, best, better tool
than a
> conventional spray gun and compressor? Has anyone used the Bailey Studio
Spray
> Gun with a conventional compressor?
>
> So many questions...so little time. TIA
>
> Keep Centered
> CULLEN
> Naperville, Illinois
>
> Hi,
When we first started spraying glazes, we happened to have an old model
Electrolux vacuum cleaner for which we bought a paint spray gun and used
this until the vacuum cleaner gave out. It's not any better or worse>than
the low pressure spray gun (40 psi) and compressor we use now. Our
compressor is 3/4 horse power. We find that the nozzles on the spray
guns wear out quite quickly using the abrasive materials in the glaze .
We use cheap spray guns which are replaced as they wear out. Hope this
helps. Denise.
Corinne Null on tue 22 sep 98
I already have the old electrolux vacuum, but have been unable to locate an
electrolux sprayer attachement. I'm getting the impression that one can use a
different sprayer attachment? What would fit and work properly?
Getting closer, I think ...
Thanks,
Corinne
At 10:09 AM 9/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Jim,
>
>We use a vacuum cleaner spray gun all the time, and even though we have
>spent staggering amounts of money on other recommended guns, this is the
>one to use. I have to buy a re-condtioned barrel-type cleaner once in a
>while, but the guns last for years. Bought another one yesterday, as a
>matter of fact for $15.00 (Australian).
>
>The cleaner is the barrel type (Hoover in this case), and one simply
>takes the hose from the normal entry end and plugs it into the exit end.
>Control of the spray "shape"is adjustable using the knurled knob on the
>gun, and the flow of fluid (glaze in our case) is done with the index
>finger simply covering a pair of holes on top of the gun. Air flows
>constantly.
>
>Hope you can find one of these old suckers. Good luck!
>
>Geoff Walker,
>Cronulla Pottery,
>Gold Coast.
>
Corinne Null
Bedford, NH
USA
null@mediaone.net
ICQ #18593487
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