Barbara Lewis on wed 3 feb 99
Dear Clayarters: I'm so mad I could spit nails. I just received my current
CM and there is an article entitled, "Saggar-Fired Sculptures" by Mee-Kyung
Nam. What Mee-Kyung fails to mention is that in 1995 I fired her entire
thesis work. The pieces she shows were fired by me. Mee-Kyung had attended
an informal workshop I offered for a local Southern Maryland potters guild
of which I am a member. She liked the results of her saggar-fired piece, so
I offered to fire her thesis work for her when she became frustrated by
results of the low-fired underglazes she was using. When I say I fired her
work for her I mean that I accumulated the knowledge (first and foremost), I
built the saggar in my gas kiln . . . and paid for the gas, I prepared the
vermiculite, I even prepared the terra sig because what she prepared was too
thick. I babysat the kiln while it fired. Essentially, she unloaded the
kiln after it had cooled down.
If Mee-Kyung had chosen to write about making and slip-casting sculptures,
which is her area of expertise, that would be commendable. Even a mere
mention of my contribution would have sufficed. But to pass off work as
your own is unacceptable. BTW, I have duplicate slides of these pieces,
complementary of Mee-Kyung. I even have the paper I wrote on the firing
process so that she would have the information for her thesis.
Any suggestions or feedback? A letter to the editor? Barbara
Wellspring Clayworks
5412 Well Spring Road
La Plata, MD 20646
blewis@crosslink.net
edwin gould on wed 3 feb 99
Barbara, I feel for you. One thing you can do.....submit a letter with
your evidence as addenda to the editor of the magazine and see how the
editor responds. Including a comment from a less involved
individual/witness would also help getting your letter published. You have
already reached a fairly large audience by your letter in this discussion
group.. Beyond that....heal and move on. It is a sad and painful story that
sometimes happens in art, science and literature. I am sorry that it happed
to you.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Lewis
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:48 PM
Subject: Saggar-Firing Article in CM
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Clayarters: I'm so mad I could spit nails. I just received my current
CM and there is an article entitled, "Saggar-Fired Sculptures" by Mee-Kyung
Nam. What Mee-Kyung fails to mention is that in 1995 I fired her entire
thesis work. The pieces she shows were fired by me. Mee-Kyung had attended
an informal workshop I offered for a local Southern Maryland potters guild
of which I am a member. She liked the results of her saggar-fired piece, so
I offered to fire her thesis work for her when she became frustrated by
results of the low-fired underglazes she was using. When I say I fired her
work for her I mean that I accumulated the knowledge (first and foremost), I
built the saggar in my gas kiln . . . and paid for the gas, I prepared the
vermiculite, I even prepared the terra sig because what she prepared was too
thick. I babysat the kiln while it fired. Essentially, she unloaded the
kiln after it had cooled down.
If Mee-Kyung had chosen to write about making and slip-casting sculptures,
which is her area of expertise, that would be commendable. Even a mere
mention of my contribution would have sufficed. But to pass off work as
your own is unacceptable. BTW, I have duplicate slides of these pieces,
complementary of Mee-Kyung. I even have the paper I wrote on the firing
process so that she would have the information for her thesis.
Any suggestions or feedback? A letter to the editor? Barbara
Wellspring Clayworks
5412 Well Spring Road
La Plata, MD 20646
blewis@crosslink.net
Thonas C. Curran on thu 4 feb 99
Barbara Lewis wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Clayarters: I'm so mad I could spit nails. I just received my current
> CM and there is an article entitled, "Saggar-Fired Sculptures" by Mee-Kyung
> Nam. What Mee-Kyung fails to mention is that in 1995 I fired her entire
> thesis work. The pieces she shows were fired by me. Mee-Kyung had attended
> an informal workshop I offered for a local Southern Maryland potters guild
> of which I am a member. She liked the results of her saggar-fired piece, so
> I offered to fire her thesis work for her when she became frustrated by
> results of the low-fired underglazes she was using. When I say I fired her
> work for her I mean that I accumulated the knowledge (first and foremost), I
> built the saggar in my gas kiln . . . and paid for the gas, I prepared the
> vermiculite, I even prepared the terra sig because what she prepared was too
> thick. I babysat the kiln while it fired. Essentially, she unloaded the
> kiln after it had cooled down.
>
> If Mee-Kyung had chosen to write about making and slip-casting sculptures,
> which is her area of expertise, that would be commendable. Even a mere
> mention of my contribution would have sufficed. But to pass off work as
> your own is unacceptable. BTW, I have duplicate slides of these pieces,
> complementary of Mee-Kyung. I even have the paper I wrote on the firing
> process so that she would have the information for her thesis.
>
> Any suggestions or feedback? A letter to the editor? Barbara
> Wellspring Clayworks
> 5412 Well Spring Road
> La Plata, MD 20646
> blewis@crosslink.net
Barbara---And why did you do all that work for her when it was her
thesis? I would think when it comes to advanced work, a person should
sink or swim on his or her own. Cooperation and sharing are definitely
to be encouraged, but not "enabling". I remember a gal in college for
whom I used to type term papers. She wanted me to clean up spelling,
grammar and even help on the conclusion, but I had to say no. If I had
done the corrections, I would have made more money...but it would have
been my paper. I don't blame you for being mad. I would think a quiet
letter to CM (not necessarily a letter to the editor) and see what they
think. Maybe other clayarters with similar experience will have better
advice. Carolyn
Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) on thu 4 feb 99
Barbara---
What may be even more unacceptable is if her thesis committee thought she had
fired her own work. Interesting thought. Did you see the thesis---did she
credit you with the firing?
Has she fired more work using the technique you used to fire her thesis work, or
has she not produced any more of that sort of work?
IMHO, I would definitely write a letter to the editor and claim what is yours.
Sandy
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Lewis [SMTP:blewis@crosslink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:47 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Saggar-Firing Article in CM
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Clayarters: I'm so mad I could spit nails. I just received my current
CM and there is an article entitled, "Saggar-Fired Sculptures" by Mee-Kyung
Nam. What Mee-Kyung fails to mention is that in 1995 I fired her entire
thesis work. The pieces she shows were fired by me. Mee-Kyung had attended
an informal workshop I offered for a local Southern Maryland potters guild
of which I am a member. She liked the results of her saggar-fired piece, so
I offered to fire her thesis work for her when she became frustrated by
results of the low-fired underglazes she was using. When I say I fired her
work for her I mean that I accumulated the knowledge (first and foremost), I
built the saggar in my gas kiln . . . and paid for the gas, I prepared the
vermiculite, I even prepared the terra sig because what she prepared was too
thick. I babysat the kiln while it fired. Essentially, she unloaded the
kiln after it had cooled down.
If Mee-Kyung had chosen to write about making and slip-casting sculptures,
which is her area of expertise, that would be commendable. Even a mere
mention of my contribution would have sufficed. But to pass off work as
your own is unacceptable. BTW, I have duplicate slides of these pieces,
complementary of Mee-Kyung. I even have the paper I wrote on the firing
process so that she would have the information for her thesis.
Any suggestions or feedback? A letter to the editor? Barbara
Wellspring Clayworks
5412 Well Spring Road
La Plata, MD 20646
blewis@crosslink.net
Vince Pitelka on thu 4 feb 99
>If Mee-Kyung had chosen to write about making and slip-casting sculptures,
>which is her area of expertise, that would be commendable. Even a mere
>mention of my contribution would have sufficed. But to pass off work as
>your own is unacceptable. BTW, I have duplicate slides of these pieces,
>complementary of Mee-Kyung. I even have the paper I wrote on the firing
>process so that she would have the information for her thesis.
Barbara -
If I were you, I would certainly write a letter to the editor, and do it
immediately, so it will appear as soon as possible. You deserve credit for
the help you gave her.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka - vpitelka@DeKalb.net
Home 615/597-5376, work 615/597-6801, fax 615/597-6803
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Dannon Rhudy on thu 4 feb 99
I did not see your post when it was originally made, but am
glad I caught this response.
I do hope you have had time to calm down a bit, but only because
unfortunately that kind of anger makes you feel bad, and does nothing
as regards the object of it.
In my opinion you should write the editor of CM,
stating that you are the person who did
the work (firing) in the article. Moreover, if it were my student who had
represented that work as their OWN in terms of thesis, then that
would call the thesis itself into question. It may be that the firing of the
work had nothing to do with the thesis, it may be that the firing was not
MENTIONED in the thesis. But if it was, and was not the student's own
work, and the student failed to inform those who oversaw the thesis and/or
the degree granted grounded on that thesis, then they need to know. They
are in a compromised position, and so is the student.
Dannon Rhudy
potter@koyote.com
---------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Dear Clayarters: I'm so mad I could spit nails. I just received my current
>CM and there is an article entitled, "Saggar-Fired Sculptures" by Mee-Kyung
>Nam. What Mee-Kyung fails to mention is that in 1995 I fired her entire
>thesis work. The pieces she shows were fired by me. Mee-Kyung had attended
>an informal workshop I offered for a local Southern Maryland potters guild
>of which I am a member. She liked the results of her saggar-fired piece, so
>I offered to fire her thesis work for her when she became frustrated by
>results of the low-fired underglazes she was using. When I say I fired her
>work for her I mean that I accumulated the knowledge (first and foremost), I
>built the saggar in my gas kiln . . . and paid for the gas, I prepared the
>vermiculite, I even prepared the terra sig because what she prepared was too
>thick. I babysat the kiln while it fired. Essentially, she unloaded the
>kiln after it had cooled down.
>
>If Mee-Kyung had chosen to write about making and slip-casting sculptures,
>which is her area of expertise, that would be commendable. Even a mere
>mention of my contribution would have sufficed. But to pass off work as
>your own is unacceptable. BTW, I have duplicate slides of these pieces,
>complementary of Mee-Kyung. I even have the paper I wrote on the firing
>process so that she would have the information for her thesis.
>
>Any suggestions or feedback? A letter to the editor? Barbara
>Wellspring Clayworks
>5412 Well Spring Road
>La Plata, MD 20646
>blewis@crosslink.net
>
>
>
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