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euro-shino

updated thu 4 mar 99

 

JCJM on sun 28 feb 99

To all SHINOERS, a question from a greek friend of mine;
Would any of you have any recipes for shino glazes that might work over
here in the old continent? Meaning mostly, recipies containing frits that
exist here or at least their formulas. Too much going on there where you
are it's hard to keep track. Thank you for your replies and I'll be keeping
an eyeball open for them.
j-m & Yianna.

Chess Denman on tue 2 mar 99

Try these, I got most from clay art recipie and then used glaze chem to do
substitutions into more basic things which I had in my pottery.

As the tentative name of the first implies I am not yet certain of any.

I have fired the first to cone 9 successfully and then the next time not
successfully!


Glad to know your ideas/results

apologies to any american potters who have had their revered recipies boiled
down and abused by me!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ Might be a shino +++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Firing type: Reduction
Glaze type: Shino
Date: 11/29/98

Nepheline syenite 37.08 37.1%
Lithium carbonate 5.62 5.6% Hazard!
Kaolin 24.47 24.5% Hazard!
Silica 9.07 9.1% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 16.16 16.2% Hazard!
soda ash 7.61 7.6% (Not available)
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
Kaolin - dust hazard
Flint - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.50 Al2O3 1.08 SiO2 4.02
K2O 0.11 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.02 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.36

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 3.72
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 3.74
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 1.08 : 4.04

Na2O 7.6% Al2O3 27.0% SiO2 59.3%
K2O 2.5% TiO2 0.2%
MgO 0.2% Fe2O3 0.3%
CaO 0.2%
Li2O 2.6%

Loss On Ignition: 13.8%

Expansion coefficient: 78.7 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 3.1

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
Kaolin provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Flint provides SiO2.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.
Sodium bicarbonate provides Na2O.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 37.1% $ 0.16 per kg glaze
Lithium carbonate 5.6% $ 0.84
Kaolin 24.5% $ 0.36
Silica 9.1% $ 0.05
Ball clay ESVA 16.2% $ 0.09
soda ash 7.6% $ 0.08
------ -------
100 % $ 1.58 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ Might be a shino +++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Firing type: Reduction
Glaze type: Shino
Date: 11/29/98

Nepheline syenite 37.08 37.1%
Lithium carbonate 5.62 5.6% Hazard!
Kaolin 24.47 24.5% Hazard!
Silica 9.07 9.1% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 16.16 16.2% Hazard!
soda ash 7.61 7.6% (Not available)
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
Kaolin - dust hazard
Flint - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.50 Al2O3 1.08 SiO2 4.02
K2O 0.11 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.02 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.36

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 3.72
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 3.74
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 1.08 : 4.04

Na2O 7.6% Al2O3 27.0% SiO2 59.3%
K2O 2.5% TiO2 0.2%
MgO 0.2% Fe2O3 0.3%
CaO 0.2%
Li2O 2.6%

Loss On Ignition: 13.8%

Expansion coefficient: 78.7 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 3.1

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
Kaolin provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Flint provides SiO2.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.
Sodium bicarbonate provides Na2O.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 37.1% $ 0.16 per kg glaze
Lithium carbonate 5.6% $ 0.84
Kaolin 24.5% $ 0.36
Silica 9.1% $ 0.05
Ball clay ESVA 16.2% $ 0.09
soda ash 7.6% $ 0.08
------ -------
100 % $ 1.58 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ peach to red shino +++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Glaze type: Shino
Date: 12/17/98

Nepheline syenite 37.62 37.6%
Lithium carbonate 5.94 5.9% Hazard!
Kaolin 28.71 28.7% Hazard!
Silica 11.88 11.9% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 7.92 7.9% Hazard!
sodium ash 7.92 7.9%
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
Kaolin - dust hazard
Flint - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.33 Al2O3 0.88 SiO2 3.49
K2O 0.09 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.01 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.32
CoO 0.24

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 3.95
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 3.96
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 0.88 : 3.50

Na2O 5.6% Al2O3 25.2% SiO2 58.5%
K2O 2.3% TiO2 0.1%
MgO 0.1% Fe2O3 0.2%
CaO 0.2%
Li2O 2.7%
CoO 5.0%

Loss On Ignition: 11.0%

Expansion coefficient: 75.9 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 3.2

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
Kaolin provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Flint provides SiO2.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
CoO is a colorant (blues and purples).
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 37.6% $ 0.17 per kg glaze
Lithium carbonate 5.9% $ 0.88
Kaolin 28.7% $ 0.42
Silica 11.9% $ 0.07
Ball clay ESVA 7.9% $ 0.04
sodium ash 7.9%
------ -------
100 % $ 1.58 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ furguson shinno +++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: 12/17/98

Nepheline syenite 60.3 60.3%
Silica 9.05 9 % Hazard!
Lithium carbonate 2.51 2.5% Hazard!
China clay 17.09 17.1% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 8.04 8 % Hazard!
sodium ash 3.02 3 %
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Flint - dust hazard
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
China clay - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 0.98 per kg glaze
$ 0.10 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.53 Al2O3 1.15 SiO2 4.84
K2O 0.16 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.02 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.17
CoO 0.11

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 4.20
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 4.21
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 1.15 : 4.86

Na2O 6.9% Al2O3 24.8% SiO2 61.6%
K2O 3.3% TiO2 0.1%
MgO 0.1% Fe2O3 0.2%
CaO 0.1%
Li2O 1.1%
CoO 1.8%

Loss On Ignition: 6.4%

Expansion coefficient: 78.8 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 2.9

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Flint provides SiO2.
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
China clay provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
CoO is a colorant (blues and purples).
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 60.3% $ 0.27 per kg glaze
Silica 9 % $ 0.05
Lithium carbonate 2.5% $ 0.37
China clay 17.1% $ 0.25
Ball clay ESVA 8 % $ 0.04
sodium ash 3 %
------ -------
100 % $ 0.98 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 0.98 per kg glaze
$ 0.10 per 100 g batch

-----Original Message-----
From: JCJM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: 28 February 1999 18:34
Subject: EURO-SHINO


----------------------------Original message----------------------------
To all SHINOERS, a question from a greek friend of mine;
Would any of you have any recipes for shino glazes that might work over
here in the old continent? Meaning mostly, recipies containing frits that
exist here or at least their formulas. Too much going on there where you
are it's hard to keep track. Thank you for your replies and I'll be keeping
an eyeball open for them.
j-m & Yianna.

Chess Denman on tue 2 mar 99

Try these, I got most from clay art recipie and then used glaze chem to do
substitutions into more basic things which I had in my pottery.

As the tentative name of the first implies I am not yet certain of any.

I have fired the first to cone 9 successfully and then the next time not
successfully!


Glad to know your ideas/results

apologies to any american potters who have had their revered recipies boiled
down and abused by me!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ Might be a shino +++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Firing type: Reduction
Glaze type: Shino
Date: 11/29/98

Nepheline syenite 37.08 37.1%
Lithium carbonate 5.62 5.6% Hazard!
Kaolin 24.47 24.5% Hazard!
Silica 9.07 9.1% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 16.16 16.2% Hazard!
soda ash 7.61 7.6% (Not available)
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
Kaolin - dust hazard
Flint - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.50 Al2O3 1.08 SiO2 4.02
K2O 0.11 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.02 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.36

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 3.72
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 3.74
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 1.08 : 4.04

Na2O 7.6% Al2O3 27.0% SiO2 59.3%
K2O 2.5% TiO2 0.2%
MgO 0.2% Fe2O3 0.3%
CaO 0.2%
Li2O 2.6%

Loss On Ignition: 13.8%

Expansion coefficient: 78.7 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 3.1

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
Kaolin provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Flint provides SiO2.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.
Sodium bicarbonate provides Na2O.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 37.1% $ 0.16 per kg glaze
Lithium carbonate 5.6% $ 0.84
Kaolin 24.5% $ 0.36
Silica 9.1% $ 0.05
Ball clay ESVA 16.2% $ 0.09
soda ash 7.6% $ 0.08
------ -------
100 % $ 1.58 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ Might be a shino +++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Firing type: Reduction
Glaze type: Shino
Date: 11/29/98

Nepheline syenite 37.08 37.1%
Lithium carbonate 5.62 5.6% Hazard!
Kaolin 24.47 24.5% Hazard!
Silica 9.07 9.1% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 16.16 16.2% Hazard!
soda ash 7.61 7.6% (Not available)
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
Kaolin - dust hazard
Flint - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.50 Al2O3 1.08 SiO2 4.02
K2O 0.11 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.02 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.36

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 3.72
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 3.74
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 1.08 : 4.04

Na2O 7.6% Al2O3 27.0% SiO2 59.3%
K2O 2.5% TiO2 0.2%
MgO 0.2% Fe2O3 0.3%
CaO 0.2%
Li2O 2.6%

Loss On Ignition: 13.8%

Expansion coefficient: 78.7 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 3.1

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
Kaolin provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Flint provides SiO2.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.
Sodium bicarbonate provides Na2O.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 37.1% $ 0.16 per kg glaze
Lithium carbonate 5.6% $ 0.84
Kaolin 24.5% $ 0.36
Silica 9.1% $ 0.05
Ball clay ESVA 16.2% $ 0.09
soda ash 7.6% $ 0.08
------ -------
100 % $ 1.58 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ peach to red shino +++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Glaze type: Shino
Date: 12/17/98

Nepheline syenite 37.62 37.6%
Lithium carbonate 5.94 5.9% Hazard!
Kaolin 28.71 28.7% Hazard!
Silica 11.88 11.9% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 7.92 7.9% Hazard!
sodium ash 7.92 7.9%
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
Kaolin - dust hazard
Flint - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.33 Al2O3 0.88 SiO2 3.49
K2O 0.09 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.01 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.32
CoO 0.24

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 3.95
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 3.96
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 0.88 : 3.50

Na2O 5.6% Al2O3 25.2% SiO2 58.5%
K2O 2.3% TiO2 0.1%
MgO 0.1% Fe2O3 0.2%
CaO 0.2%
Li2O 2.7%
CoO 5.0%

Loss On Ignition: 11.0%

Expansion coefficient: 75.9 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 3.2

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
Kaolin provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Flint provides SiO2.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
CoO is a colorant (blues and purples).
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 37.6% $ 0.17 per kg glaze
Lithium carbonate 5.9% $ 0.88
Kaolin 28.7% $ 0.42
Silica 11.9% $ 0.07
Ball clay ESVA 7.9% $ 0.04
sodium ash 7.9%
------ -------
100 % $ 1.58 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 1.58 per kg glaze
$ 0.16 per 100 g batch

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ furguson shinno +++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: 12/17/98

Nepheline syenite 60.3 60.3%
Silica 9.05 9 % Hazard!
Lithium carbonate 2.51 2.5% Hazard!
China clay 17.09 17.1% Hazard!
Ball clay ESVA 8.04 8 % Hazard!
sodium ash 3.02 3 %
-------- ------
100 100 %

Material Hazards:
Flint - dust hazard
Lithium carbonate - skin irritant, poisonous if ingested
China clay - dust hazard
Ball clay - dust hazard

Cost: $ 0.98 per kg glaze
$ 0.10 per 100 g batch

===========================
Chemical Analysis
===========================

Na2O 0.53 Al2O3 1.15 SiO2 4.84
K2O 0.16 TiO2 0.01
MgO 0.02 Fe2O3 0.01
CaO 0.01
Li2O 0.17
CoO 0.11

Alumina:Silica ratio is 1.00 : 4.20
Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 4.21
Alkali:Neutral:Acid ratio is 1.00 : 1.15 : 4.86

Na2O 6.9% Al2O3 24.8% SiO2 61.6%
K2O 3.3% TiO2 0.1%
MgO 0.1% Fe2O3 0.2%
CaO 0.1%
Li2O 1.1%
CoO 1.8%

Loss On Ignition: 6.4%

Expansion coefficient: 78.8 x 10e-7 per degree C
Oxides causing abnormal expansion effects: Li2O

Surface Tension index: 2.9

Materials in glaze:
Nepheline syenite provides SiO2, Al2O3, Na2O, and K2O
Flint provides SiO2.
Lithium carbonate provides Li2O.
China clay provides SiO2 and Al2O3.
Ball clay provides SiO2, Al2O3, and trace oxides.

Oxides in glaze:
Na2O is a strong alkaline flux.
K2O is a strong alkaline flux.
MgO is a high-temperature flux.
CaO is a high-temperature flux.
Li2O is a strong alkaline flux.
CoO is a colorant (blues and purples).
Al2O3 increases viscosity, prevents crystallization, and adds durability.
SiO2 is the primary glass-former in glazes.
TiO2 adds opacity and encourages crystal formation.
Fe2O3 is a colorant (tan, yellow, brown, red, and black).
In reduction, Fe2O3 -> FeO, which is a flux and colorant (brown, black).

=======================
Cost Summary
=======================
Nepheline syenite 60.3% $ 0.27 per kg glaze
Silica 9 % $ 0.05
Lithium carbonate 2.5% $ 0.37
China clay 17.1% $ 0.25
Ball clay ESVA 8 % $ 0.04
sodium ash 3 %
------ -------
100 % $ 0.98 per kg glaze

Total cost: $ 0.98 per kg glaze
$ 0.10 per 100 g batch

-----Original Message-----
From: JCJM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: 28 February 1999 18:34
Subject: EURO-SHINO


----------------------------Original message----------------------------
To all SHINOERS, a question from a greek friend of mine;
Would any of you have any recipes for shino glazes that might work over
here in the old continent? Meaning mostly, recipies containing frits that
exist here or at least their formulas. Too much going on there where you
are it's hard to keep track. Thank you for your replies and I'll be keeping
an eyeball open for them.
j-m & Yianna.