Paul Bailey / Janet Moe on sun 14 mar 99
I am about to build a shed to house 2 kilns, an expanded-metal fiber
raku kiln and a gas reduction kiln yet to be designed of approx. 30 cu.
ft. So far I plan to have a concrete pad and a metal roof. I would like
to put 3 walls around due to our constant windy and rainy weather. I am
concerned about ventilation. Should the walls be metal or wood? How much
space do I need between/around the kilns. Any suggestions? What works?
What doesn't work? TIA!
Janet Moe
Mike Gordon on mon 15 mar 99
Janet,
I have a similar set up here at my home. I left about 2ft. clearence
around my gas kiln in the back side. The other two sides have more 4ft
on one and the space for my raku kiln on the other. I used a wood frame
with a metal hood, roof and walls. I left a gap of about 12" where the
walls reach the roof to let any excess fumes out. Mike
Alex Wilson on mon 15 mar 99
Hello Janet, well you'll probably be well off allowing enough space around
your kilns so as to be able to walk around without tripping over anything.
Metal buildings don't catch fire, but I honestly haven't seen very many wooden
ones go up in smoke either. Keep the hot stuff three or four feet away from
the wood and you should be O.K., watch those rafters,though.
Why not put four walls up to keep out the elements and give yourself a place
to sit and have a cuppa between stokings? You can always bung a few vents in
the roof, if you're worried about too much smoke. Hey, you could fire with
hickory or oak and hang some trout or salmon up there, tasty post-firing
breakfast.
Alex
Lesley Alexander on sat 27 apr 02
Hi Liz,
I have a 12 cu foot updraft gas kiln and live in Southern California
where the weather is benign, except I don't fire on windy days... Made
a kiln cover as follows:
Bought metal posts which are used for drywall construction.
Attached them to kiln. Bought various connectors and made a frame for
the roof. Screwed wavy metal roofing material to the frame. Since the
kiln is about 2 1/2' from my house, I also hung metal panels from the
gutter to deflect heat. When I fire, I pull out the middle panel which
is over the top of the kiln. Funky but cheap and it works. There are no
walls. Even though the kiln is less than 3 feet from the house, in four
years I've had no problems and don't expect any. Good luck, Lesley
Mike Gordon on thu 19 jun 03
Bruce,
I have a 20cu.ft. Alpine updraft. It has a hood that is the same outside
dimensions as the kiln, with a chimney. I live on a hill side so I built
cinder block walls 3' tall on 2 sides. On top of that I used 4x4's with
2x4 x bracing. I used corrugated metal from Home Depot for the walls on
2 sides the other 2 sides are open. The metal overlaps the cinder block
for rain drainage at the bottom but stops 16" from the roof for air to
circulate. A corrugated roof covers it. I can send picts if you want
them, let me know, Mike Gordon, Walnut Creek, Ca.
Elaine Birk on sun 29 feb 04
Hi everyone,
Well, after mostly lurking on Clayart for several years I am getting ready
to take the big plunge and buy myself a new 16 cu ft Geil gas kiln. I have
never fired in reduction and I am sure I will need plenty of help once the
kiln is delivered and set up to fire but right now my immediate concern is
building a shed to house the kiln. I would like to build a wooden shed big
enough to hold the kiln, shelves, kiln furniture, and store my trash can
raku kiln. How much clearance is recommended for fire safety? how does one
vent out the heat and fumes? should I install a fire retardant material on
the walls? My husband suggests I get the kiln first and build the shed
around it but I think I should build the shed first, Any and all
suggestions would be helpful. Plus if anyone has any comments on the Geil
kilns before I put my money down would be appreciated.
Thank you
Elaine Birk in Virginia Beach where it is finally beginning to warm up and
the daffodils are up out of the ground.
David Hendley on sun 29 feb 04
Elaine-
Since you are obviously concerned about the fire hazards of housing
a kiln in a wooden shed, why not build a metal shed and quit worrying?
In 30 years of potting, I have seen or heard of many kiln shed fires,
including my own. I wouldn't even consider building a kiln shed out
of wood.
If you want a "shed", that means there are no walls, and venting
heat and fumes is not an issue.
As for logistics, I think I would build the frame first, taking care not
to put a beam close to where the chimney will go. I would then
put the roofing tin on the roof after the kiln is in place, flashing around
the chimney.
David Hendley
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
-- Original Message -----
I would like to build a wooden shed big
> enough to hold the kiln, shelves, kiln furniture, and store my trash can
> raku kiln. How much clearance is recommended for fire safety? how does
one
> vent out the heat and fumes? should I install a fire retardant material on
> the walls? My husband suggests I get the kiln first and build the shed
> around it but I think I should build the shed first,
DMCARTS@AOL.COM on thu 5 aug 04
I've posted images of my old studio in Los Angeles at:
www.members.aol.com/dmcarch1
(Please disregard the "Read Me" file as it is empty.)
It was built with permits for both the building and the 20 cubic ft. updraft
gas kiln. BTW, a helpful hint in obtaining a permit for a gas kiln in a
residential neighborhood is to refer the building official to the National
Mechanical Code, Gas Fired Devices...There you will find a little known provision which
allows for the installation of up to a 20 c.f. gas fired kiln in a
residentially zoned area, providing it is used for "Hobby" purposes. This is the
operative term. I have help several potters obtain permits for kilns under this code
section.
Hope this helps,
D. Michael Coffee
www.dmcarts.com
Shy Rabbit Ceramics
Pagosa Springs, CO
970.731.2766
Laurie Kneppel on thu 5 aug 04
I would post a photo on my website of what my kiln "shed" looks like,
but I think everyone would laugh and make fun of it.
Unless it's okay to still call it a shed when it only has two walls and
a roof.
It's basic purpose is to protect my nice little Geil kiln from the rain
during the winter months. Because everyone knows "it never rains in
California" in the Summertime. Except for the one weekend you might
plan to fire your outdoor kiln. Then it will be one of those "freak
summer rainstorms" that makes local newspaper headlines. But it only
does this if you are serious about firing that particular day.
My shed, if it can be called that, is wood and corrugated sheet metal
from Home Depot. 4 - 4x4 posts, with 2 x 4 x 6's around the tops of the
4x4's, using those nifty metal hanger thingies that I don't know the
name of, but makes this so easy even a non-builder like me can put
something like this together in a couple weekends. The 4x4's are
anchored in concrete and I actually poured, all by myself, a small slab
for the kiln to sit on. And it's level and everything! The corrugated
metal makes up the walls and roof and everything is screwed together
except for one roof panel that comes off and is the "vent". The front
"wall" is a large tarp, and so it is the back "wall". A little caulking
buttoned it up nicely and last winter it got its first test while I was
home so I went out and went inside the "shed" - which is large enough
to walk around the kiln and attend to it properly - and it began to
hail. So my dog and I were both stuck inside the shed for a few minutes
until the storm passed. All three of us stayed high and dry.
When firing, the one roof panel comes off and of course, the tarps are
removed. Plenty of air circulation and ventilation. It gets a little
warm up in the corners of the ceiling, but probably only about 95-100
degrees.
This works for me and my situation and can probably be easily adapted.
I still may eventually make a solid panel to close the front because
tarps can spring leaks, but it would still be removed for firing. The
only drawback is that this shed doesn't protect enough for me to fire
while it's raining, which is not a problem for my slow production
schedule.
Laurie
Sacramento, CA
http://rockyraku.com
Potters Council, member
Sacramento Potters Group, member
Mike Gordon on fri 6 aug 04
Hi,
All images came out as garble a wonderful looking alien language, Mike
Gordon
On Aug 5, 2004, at 4:52 PM, DMCARTS@AOL.COM wrote:
> I've posted images of my old studio in Los Angeles at:
> www.members.aol.com/dmcarch1
> (Please disregard the "Read Me" file as it is empty.)
>
> It was built with permits for both the building and the 20 cubic ft.
> updraft
> gas kiln. BTW, a helpful hint in obtaining a permit for a gas kiln in a
> residential neighborhood is to refer the building official to the
> National
> Mechanical Code, Gas Fired Devices...There you will find a little
> known provision which
> allows for the installation of up to a 20 c.f. gas fired kiln in a
> residentially zoned area, providing it is used for "Hobby" purposes.
> This is the
> operative term. I have help several potters obtain permits for kilns
> under this code
> section.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> D. Michael Coffee
> www.dmcarts.com
> Shy Rabbit Ceramics
> Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970.731.2766
>
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Gina Mars on thu 18 aug 05
Hi, Thanks for all the great suggestions. If anybody has a picture they can
e-mail, I would love to see it. I am leaning towards a 10x10x9 metal shed
with doors on 3 sides, 6 foot wide doors so I can really open things up
when needed.Gina
L. P. Skeen on thu 18 aug 05
Hey Gina,
Dunno where you live, but I hope it's not Florida. Friend of mine down
there was, and I emphasize WAS going to build himself a small pole barn for
a kiln shed. Some idiot sent the county inspector over there and now it's
goign to cost him over $10,000 to build his "pole barn". He had to give his
plans to an "engineer" (and pay the engineer) to approve. The engineer of
course made a bunch of changes, and now the plans do not resemble anything
like what he originally had drawn.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gina Mars"
> Hi, Thanks for all the great suggestions. If anybody has a picture they
> can e-mail, I would love to see it. I am leaning towards a 10x10x9 metal
> shed with doors on 3 sides, 6 foot wide doors so I can really open things
> up
> when needed.Gina
>
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Rick Bonomo on wed 14 sep 05
Lyla,
Thanks
See other replies below
I live in Somerset County and I am told I do need a permit
I'll also want one for future liability issues
I have Rhodes book - his illustration is for an updraft kiln and a flat =
roof, but I'll read it again.
I also have Olsen's book
Rick
----- Original Message -----=20
From: lyla_kaplan=20
where do you live? do you have zoning/buildling codes? are they going
to inspect?
but regarding distance from kiln, there is an old book 'kilns' by
rhodes that is excellent for giving a few important specs (including
iron welds for kiln frame). our inspector let us use that and olson's
'kiln book' for any requirements he was unsure of. he said that could
be considered a 'manual' which was good enough fo rhim. i think
distance is supposed to be 3-4 ft. distance from chimney stack - i
think it says only 8 inches, but we made ours a little wider
lyla in pa
William "Bill" Schran wrote:
Rick - You should contact Paul Geil before you get to far into this =
project.He will provide you with all necessary clearances around and =
above the kiln.We finished the installation of a Geil DLB-24 kiln this =
past summer in abuilding with oriented strand sheathing under a metal =
roof. The hood andstack, that was fabricated by Geil for this kiln, use =
an air space betweenthem and metal over rock wool to protect the =
surrounding wood sheathing.
Earl Krueger wrote:
Rick, I can verify what your draftsman told you. I once had an old =
24'
X 60' steel building with no ceiling; just rafters, purlins and then =
the
steel roofing. There were lots of cracks, holes and such in the =
outside
walls where outside air could circulate through. Believe it or not, =
here
in the Seattle area it rained more inside that building than it did
outside. I was told by construction experts that the proper way to =
deal with the
condensation was to put insulation right up against the steel roofing
John Rohrbaugh wrote:
The farm store or whatever sells the galvanized roofing will have =
prefabricated flanged fittings to pass a smokestack through the roof. =
The idea is to isolate the stack as much as possible from the flammable =
components of the roof. When finished, there is nothing but steel for =
1' - 2' around stack, (more if the kiln produces extremely high temps). =
My relatively low temp gas furnace flue roof fitting has a metal box on =
the underside of the roof. I don't know if it is for heat distribution, =
fire containment, soot catching or what. There are 2 or 3 layers of =
galvanized steel making up the roof surface around the stack.
Thanks for all the input guys
I have been in contact with Paul Geil, but he hasn't been forthcoming =
with detailed plans as of yet. I'm sure this will happen when I actually =
place the order in December for delivery next spring. In the meantime: =
Exactly what material do I use as undersheathing? Styrofoam will ignite. =
Celotex?
Now my contractor says that the best place for a chimney is at the =
peak of the roof.
Rick Bonomo
www.ricks-bricks.com/kilnlog.htm
je motzkin on tue 12 sep 06
Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on a design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing on a wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find metal roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
Any pics or ideas of sheds that you have build please send link or send photo to me off list. thanks.
jude
617-547-5513
jmotzkin at yahoo.com
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L. P. Skeen on tue 12 sep 06
Hey Jude, have you been to Home Despot or Lowe's? They usually have =
metal roofing in several colors. I like the idea of the hinged roof, =
although not sure how practical it might be. I would, however, be sure =
to paint the wood parts with some of that fire paint that mel uses....or =
maybe some ITC. ;)
L. P. Skeen, Summerfield NC
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: je motzkin=20
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: kiln shed
Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on =
a design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing =
on a wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find =
metal roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
threereeds1 on tue 12 sep 06
jude,
Best design will be yours. Lumber yard to mega
hardware store will have tin roofing at the least.
Please be sure to keep that frame (if it must be wood)
away from the heat flow. Folks that have metal studs
should have many shapes that can help you. I just went
through this and put up with the inconvenience of
working with the metal. Have seen too many pictures of
burned out roofs and I don't want to turn a hose on my kiln.
Be safe
Tom King
----- Original Message -----
From: "je motzkin"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: kiln shed
> Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on a
> design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing on
> a wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find metal
> roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
>
> Any pics or ideas of sheds that you have build please send link or send
> photo to me off list. thanks.
> jude
>
>
> 617-547-5513
> jmotzkin at yahoo.com
> http://www.motzkin.com
> http://spiritkeeper-urns.com
>
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Don Goodrich on tue 12 sep 06
Hi Judy,
You might try the Metal Roofing Alliance website:
http://www.metalroofing.com
It has a couple of places where you can search out local
suppliers. Their idea of what's "local" may be wildly
at odds with your own, but sometimes you get lucky.
For instance, when I entered the Zip code for Cambridge, MA,
it spit out names of suppliers in Maine, Indiana,
and Millford, New Hampshire. The NH one might do for your needs.
Their website is http://preciousmetalroofs.com
Good luck,
Don Goodrich
goodrichdn@aol.com
http://dongoodrichpottery.com/
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:14:35 -0700, je motzkin wrote:
>Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on a
design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing on a
wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find metal
roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
>
> Any pics or ideas of sheds that you have build please send link or send
photo to me off list. thanks.
> jude
Patrick Cross on tue 12 sep 06
I don't understand..."cannot find metal roofing in this part of the
country..."...?? Has demand for it just depleted supply...like are you
located somewhere along the LA/MS/AL coast?
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 9/12/06, je motzkin wrote:
>
> Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on a
> design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing on a
> wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find metal
> roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
>
> Any pics or ideas of sheds that you have build please send link or send
> photo to me off list. thanks.
> jude
>
>
> 617-547-5513
> jmotzkin at yahoo.com
> http://www.motzkin.com
> http://spiritkeeper-urns.com
>
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Patrick Cross on wed 13 sep 06
I've never seen this stuff (*Pallet Racking*) used in this way before but I
think it would make a lot of sense for putting up a kiln shed. Some image
links...use your imagination.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.atlasequipment.com/graphics/palt_rk1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.atlasequipment.com/prod_rck.htm&h=340&w=444&sz=21&hl=en&start=26&tbnid=k0dVu31HRbb9DM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpallet%2Brack%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
http://www.chinarack.com/images/Pallet%20Rack/Pallet%20Rack.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=pallet+rack&ndsp=20&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&start=60&sa=N
1. It would go up in a flash...and if a move was ever necessary later could
come down quickly too. All you'd need to do is sheath the outside perimeter
with something else fire proof and configure some sort of roof.
2. Easily bolted down to a slab...extremely rigid and capable of handling
tremendous loads.
3. It would go beyond simply enclosing a kiln. With a row of this on
either side (and maybe at one end) just think of all that nice
adjustable shelf space for kiln furniture...bricks for the door...room to
lay out pots during loading and unloading or a place to put pots ready to be
fired and free up space in the studio until the next firing. A place to
keep some quantity of wood if it's for a wood kiln. Potters love their
horizontal surfaces...and there's never enough, right? There would be the
obvious savings of not having to outfit your shed with shelves because the
building itself would be a huge shelf unit.
4. It's modular so expanding later to allow for another kiln or what ever
would be relatively uncomplicated if you planned ahead a little. Anyone
with even a minimal skill level could put this stuff together...no cutting,
sawing, welding...except maybe for whatever the roof would require.
5. Widely available especially if you live near a metropolitan area....And
can often times be purchased used for about half the cost. It's not that
inexpensive but think of the time and labor you'd save as opposed to
constructing a shed...without the pros and benefits...out of some other
material.
What do y'all think?...To me it looks like "Instant Building"...and you
could get right back to doing what you really want to do...your art.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 9/12/06, Don Goodrich wrote:
>
> Hi Judy,
> You might try the Metal Roofing Alliance website:
> http://www.metalroofing.com
> It has a couple of places where you can search out local
> suppliers. Their idea of what's "local" may be wildly
> at odds with your own, but sometimes you get lucky.
> For instance, when I entered the Zip code for Cambridge, MA,
> it spit out names of suppliers in Maine, Indiana,
> and Millford, New Hampshire. The NH one might do for your needs.
> Their website is http://preciousmetalroofs.com
>
> Good luck,
> Don Goodrich
>
> goodrichdn@aol.com
> http://dongoodrichpottery.com/
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:14:35 -0700, je motzkin wrote:
>
> >Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on a
> design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing on
> a
> wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find metal
> roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Any pics or ideas of sheds that you have build please send link or send
> photo to me off list. thanks.
> > jude
>
>
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dalecochoy on wed 13 sep 06
I certainly wouldn't use the roofing from steel shed kits ala HD/Lowes
UNLESS LOTS of braceing. It is like steel toiletpaper. I think they had a
contest to see who could make it thinest and still actually have a sheet!
:>)
My outside gas kiln shed is a 10'X14' from one of those places. It's a
two-man job ( really should have more) to assemble without collapse, and,
once started, Finish before you quit. If theres a storm....you'll have your
steel toilet paper all over the neighborhood! :>)
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. P. Skeen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: kiln shed
Hey Jude, have you been to Home Despot or Lowe's? They usually have metal
roofing in several colors. I like the idea of the hinged roof, although not
sure how practical it might be. I would, however, be sure to paint the wood
parts with some of that fire paint that mel uses....or maybe some ITC. ;)
L. P. Skeen, Summerfield NC
Get your 2007 Clay Lover's Calendar at
http://www.living-tree.net/calendar.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: je motzkin
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: kiln shed
Next weekend I plan to build a shed over my gas kiln. I am working on a
design for this that might include a hinged roof made of metal roofing on a
wood frame, so that I can open it when hot or smoky. I cannot find metal
roofing in this part of the country. Any suggestions?
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