Clark & Julie Kent on tue 13 apr 99
Just an addition to the "securing" the bat suggestions -- I'm a big fan of
homemade bats with holes drilled in them to fit the pins on the wheel head.
With the homemade bats especially, the holes tend to loosen (ie, chip away
a little bit at a time) after a while. If this happens you can put a bead
of clay on the wheel head pins and press the bat down over them so the
extra space in the holes gets filled with clay. Often you will need a
prying tool to get the bat off after this.
On that note, Michelle, what kind of prying tool do you use to pop bats off
the wheel? I am continually chipping the tips of my (old) wood tools
because I haven't taken the time to find a proper tool for this....I'm
hoping it will be some obvious kitchen implement that I can find at the
thrift store.... :-)
Thanks,
Julie
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi Sue.
>
>I never use drilled holes in bats, they just work loose over time. I take
>a small lump of wedged clay and centre it on the wheelhead in a wide flat
>disc, as if throwing a plate. Then I dig my finger tips in in concentric
>circles to make grooves. Finally I use a wooden tool to make a large X
>over these rings (more grooves). I gently wet the bottom of the bat with a
>sponge and press it down with all my body weight in the CENTRE of the bat.
> If you push on the edges it will not be even and the suction may not be
>good.
>
>I use this method all the time for large forms as well as small. It sticks
>so well that I need a prying tool to remove the bat. Then I redig the
>grooves, wet the next bat and start again. If kept wet, it can be used
>over and over.
>
>Good luck,
>Michele Hoskin
>Toronto
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sue Beach [SMTP:sbeach@iquest.net]
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:50 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Subject: Beginner's Question - Bats
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>This is a very basic question, I know, but I hope you will tolerate a
>question from a beginner.
>
>How does one get the bats to stay on the wheel?
>
>When I first started throwing, my pots were small and thick and removing
>them from the wheel wasn't a problem. As I've gotten a little better, my
>pots have grown bigger and my walls thinner, but now they are so fragile, I
>can't get the pots off the wheel without trashing them. I have tried to
>throw on bats, but can't get the bats to stay put on the wheel.
>
>My wheel is a kickwheel with a solid wooden wheelhead that has multiple
>coats of polyurethene on it to make it more waterproof. No pins; no pin
>holes. I have tried attaching both plasti-bats and a wooden bat to the
>wheel with clay, but they slide off center as soon as I put pressure on the
>clay to center the ball.
>
>Can anyone suggest how to attach bats to my wheel short of drilling holes
>and setting in pins?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Sue Beach
>in central Indiana where it finally feels like it might actually be spring
>
>
>
>Sue (Duncan) Beach & Ron Beach
>Muncie, IN
>sbeach@iquest.net
>
>PLEASE HELP US FIND OUR MISSING DAUGHTER
>Details at http://bsuvc.bsu.edu/~00sdbeach/erin.html
>
>County Coordinator: Loudoun Co., VA USGenWeb page:
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~valoudou/index.html
>
>List Manager: VALOUDOU-L: Mailing List for Loudoun Co., VA Genealogy &
>History
The Buchanans on wed 14 apr 99
A putty scraper is the best bat removing tool. It does less damage to the
bat and is so useful for cleaning the wheel head you won't know how you did
without it.
Judi B.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark & Julie Kent
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Bats & prying tools
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Just an addition to the "securing" the bat suggestions -- I'm a big fan of
homemade bats with holes drilled in them to fit the pins on the wheel head.
With the homemade bats especially, the holes tend to loosen (ie, chip away
a little bit at a time) after a while. If this happens you can put a bead
of clay on the wheel head pins and press the bat down over them so the
extra space in the holes gets filled with clay. Often you will need a
prying tool to get the bat off after this.
On that note, Michelle, what kind of prying tool do you use to pop bats off
the wheel? I am continually chipping the tips of my (old) wood tools
because I haven't taken the time to find a proper tool for this....I'm
hoping it will be some obvious kitchen implement that I can find at the
thrift store.... :-)
Thanks,
Julie
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi Sue.
>
>I never use drilled holes in bats, they just work loose over time. I take
>a small lump of wedged clay and centre it on the wheelhead in a wide flat
>disc, as if throwing a plate. Then I dig my finger tips in in concentric
>circles to make grooves. Finally I use a wooden tool to make a large X
>over these rings (more grooves). I gently wet the bottom of the bat with a
>sponge and press it down with all my body weight in the CENTRE of the bat.
> If you push on the edges it will not be even and the suction may not be
>good.
>
>I use this method all the time for large forms as well as small. It sticks
>so well that I need a prying tool to remove the bat. Then I redig the
>grooves, wet the next bat and start again. If kept wet, it can be used
>over and over.
>
>Good luck,
>Michele Hoskin
>Toronto
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sue Beach [SMTP:sbeach@iquest.net]
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:50 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Subject: Beginner's Question - Bats
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>This is a very basic question, I know, but I hope you will tolerate a
>question from a beginner.
>
>How does one get the bats to stay on the wheel?
>
>When I first started throwing, my pots were small and thick and removing
>them from the wheel wasn't a problem. As I've gotten a little better, my
>pots have grown bigger and my walls thinner, but now they are so fragile, I
>can't get the pots off the wheel without trashing them. I have tried to
>throw on bats, but can't get the bats to stay put on the wheel.
>
>My wheel is a kickwheel with a solid wooden wheelhead that has multiple
>coats of polyurethene on it to make it more waterproof. No pins; no pin
>holes. I have tried attaching both plasti-bats and a wooden bat to the
>wheel with clay, but they slide off center as soon as I put pressure on the
>clay to center the ball.
>
>Can anyone suggest how to attach bats to my wheel short of drilling holes
>and setting in pins?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Sue Beach
>in central Indiana where it finally feels like it might actually be spring
>
>
>
>Sue (Duncan) Beach & Ron Beach
>Muncie, IN
>sbeach@iquest.net
>
>PLEASE HELP US FIND OUR MISSING DAUGHTER
>Details at http://bsuvc.bsu.edu/~00sdbeach/erin.html
>
>County Coordinator: Loudoun Co., VA USGenWeb page:
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~valoudou/index.html
>
>List Manager: VALOUDOU-L: Mailing List for Loudoun Co., VA Genealogy &
>History
Anne Hunt on wed 14 apr 99
Hi Julie---
two cents' worth from one on the Olympic Peninsula. When I started
taking clay classes at a community center, the bat holes had become slightly
enlarged; we were told to take small bits of paper towel, put them on the
pins, then push the bat down over the pins----worked great. Since no one
was making items with 10" or so bottoms, the paper towels didn't catch in
the clay---am not sure they would've anyway.
As to bat removal, I use a stiff-bladed putty knife; again, works
great, as the knife slips between the bat and head, and I don't chip the
edge of the bat (usually).
Hunt's luck, anne & cats
Darrell Gargus on wed 14 apr 99
to pry off the bats off the wheel, I just use one of those tools used to
pry lids off of paints cans. This tool is relatively low in cost.
becky
Clark & Julie Kent wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Just an addition to the "securing" the bat suggestions -- I'm a big fan of
> homemade bats with holes drilled in them to fit the pins on the wheel head.
> With the homemade bats especially, the holes tend to loosen (ie, chip away
> a little bit at a time) after a while. If this happens you can put a bead
> of clay on the wheel head pins and press the bat down over them so the
> extra space in the holes gets filled with clay. Often you will need a
> prying tool to get the bat off after this.
>
> On that note, Michelle, what kind of prying tool do you use to pop bats off
> the wheel? I am continually chipping the tips of my (old) wood tools
> because I haven't taken the time to find a proper tool for this....I'm
> hoping it will be some obvious kitchen implement that I can find at the
> thrift store.... :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie
>
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Hi Sue.
> >
> >I never use drilled holes in bats, they just work loose over time. I take
> >a small lump of wedged clay and centre it on the wheelhead in a wide flat
> >disc, as if throwing a plate. Then I dig my finger tips in in concentric
> >circles to make grooves. Finally I use a wooden tool to make a large X
> >over these rings (more grooves). I gently wet the bottom of the bat with a
> >sponge and press it down with all my body weight in the CENTRE of the bat.
> > If you push on the edges it will not be even and the suction may not be
> >good.
> >
> >I use this method all the time for large forms as well as small. It sticks
> >so well that I need a prying tool to remove the bat. Then I redig the
> >grooves, wet the next bat and start again. If kept wet, it can be used
> >over and over.
> >
> >Good luck,
> >Michele Hoskin
> >Toronto
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sue Beach [SMTP:sbeach@iquest.net]
> >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:50 AM
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> >Subject: Beginner's Question - Bats
> >
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >This is a very basic question, I know, but I hope you will tolerate a
> >question from a beginner.
> >
> >How does one get the bats to stay on the wheel?
> >
> >When I first started throwing, my pots were small and thick and removing
> >them from the wheel wasn't a problem. As I've gotten a little better, my
> >pots have grown bigger and my walls thinner, but now they are so fragile, I
> >can't get the pots off the wheel without trashing them. I have tried to
> >throw on bats, but can't get the bats to stay put on the wheel.
> >
> >My wheel is a kickwheel with a solid wooden wheelhead that has multiple
> >coats of polyurethene on it to make it more waterproof. No pins; no pin
> >holes. I have tried attaching both plasti-bats and a wooden bat to the
> >wheel with clay, but they slide off center as soon as I put pressure on the
> >clay to center the ball.
> >
> >Can anyone suggest how to attach bats to my wheel short of drilling holes
> >and setting in pins?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Sue Beach
> >in central Indiana where it finally feels like it might actually be spring
> >
> >
> >
> >Sue (Duncan) Beach & Ron Beach
> >Muncie, IN
> >sbeach@iquest.net
> >
> >PLEASE HELP US FIND OUR MISSING DAUGHTER
> >Details at http://bsuvc.bsu.edu/~00sdbeach/erin.html
> >
> >County Coordinator: Loudoun Co., VA USGenWeb page:
> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~valoudou/index.html
> >
> >List Manager: VALOUDOU-L: Mailing List for Loudoun Co., VA Genealogy &
> >History
Bryan on wed 14 apr 99
-----Original Message-----
From: Clark & Julie Kent
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Bats & prying tools
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Just an addition to the "securing" the bat suggestions -- I'm a big fan of
homemade bats with holes drilled in them to fit the pins on the wheel head.
With the homemade bats especially, the holes tend to loosen (ie, chip away
a little bit at a time) after a while. If this happens you can put a bead
of clay on the wheel head pins and press the bat down over them so the
extra space in the holes gets filled with clay. Often you will need a
prying tool to get the bat off after this.
Epoxy glue works well to re do eroded holes.
For a big one use saran wrap as "mold" over bat pins. Put on bat, put in
glue. Do one a day til all done.
On that note, Michelle, what kind of prying tool do you use to pop bats off
the wheel? I am continually chipping the tips of my (old) wood tools
because I haven't taken the time to find a proper tool for this....I'm
hoping it will be some obvious kitchen implement that I can find at the
thrift store.... :-)
A screwdriver works very well.
Judith Enright on wed 14 apr 99
For prying off bats, I use an old chisel rescued from my husband Jim's
woodshop. I also use the chisel to scrape down my kiln shelves and found
that the silicon carbide does a superb job of sharpening the chisel edge.
(I've offered to 'let' Jim sharpen his chisels by scraping down the shelves
for me -- so far, he hasn't bitten.)
Be well, all...
Judith
Judith Enright at Black Leopard Clayware
BLEOPARD@ricochet.net
1438 Carnot Drive
San Jose, CA 95126
(408) 947-1723
Fabienne Cassman on thu 15 apr 99
------------------
Hi,
I use a putty knife to remove my bats from the wheel head=3B the blade is
about 3=22 long and 1.5=22 wide. It's thin enough to slide under and =
flexible
enough so it doesn't break. I have a metallic spatula in my kitchen drawer
that could have probably done the trick=3B it's a bit wider though.
I used to think that the holes in my bat were the problem. I only used
pins slid through the holes on the wheel head and didn't realize that it
was the problem. As soon as I used over 3 lb, there was that clicking
noise. Now, I secure the pins with those butterfly looking thingies
(wingnuts?) and use plyers to secure them. I haven't had a problem since.
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Faye http://clay.justnet.com
Yes, I have learned from my mistakes...
I can reproduce them exactly.
Gordon on thu 15 apr 99
Julie-
I use a garden tool(I think it is for dandelions) that is used to
get weeds out of your lawn to help my bats off the wheel-. It looks like a
long fork and it works really well. The prongs of the fork can dig a little
under the bat and then I slowly release the suction. The key think is
slowwwwwwly release. I just bought 2 of these tools at Lucky's for $1.00.
Good luck loosening your bats!
Kathleen Gordon
Palo Alto,Ca
email:emgordon@batnet.com
voice:650-328-9164
"If things seem under control you are not going fast enough"
Mario Andretti
John Jensen on fri 16 apr 99
I use a fairly substancial oyster knife to pry bats off. Easy to find
around here in hardware stores. I bought one just 'cause it looked like a
good tool for the money and it ended up by the wheel for prying off bats.
John Jensen, mudbug@toad.net
Mudbug Pottery
Annapolis, Md.
Pamala Browne on fri 16 apr 99
You know guys , I may be missing something here. Why are ya'll using a pry
tool? I have just started throwing pots that neccessitate the use of a bat .
I attach the bat with clay ( I will try pins soon ), and take it off by
running my needle tool around the edge and then I run my wire tool under the
bat-- it works great. I then form new grooves in the clay on the wheel and
push another bat down and start again.. Someone help me here! Granted I am
not doing high volume here ,is that a reason for a pry tool? Stumped in
the desert
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Gargus
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Bats & prying tools
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>to pry off the bats off the wheel, I just use one of those tools used to
>pry lids off of paints cans. This tool is relatively low in cost.
>becky
>
>Clark & Julie Kent wrote:
>>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Just an addition to the "securing" the bat suggestions -- I'm a big fan
of
>> homemade bats with holes drilled in them to fit the pins on the wheel
head.
>> With the homemade bats especially, the holes tend to loosen (ie, chip
away
>> a little bit at a time) after a while. If this happens you can put a
bead
>> of clay on the wheel head pins and press the bat down over them so the
>> extra space in the holes gets filled with clay. Often you will need a
>> prying tool to get the bat off after this.
>>
>> On that note, Michelle, what kind of prying tool do you use to pop bats
off
>> the wheel? I am continually chipping the tips of my (old) wood tools
>> because I haven't taken the time to find a proper tool for this....I'm
>> hoping it will be some obvious kitchen implement that I can find at the
>> thrift store.... :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> >Hi Sue.
>> >
>> >I never use drilled holes in bats, they just work loose over time. I
take
>> >a small lump of wedged clay and centre it on the wheelhead in a wide
flat
>> >disc, as if throwing a plate. Then I dig my finger tips in in
concentric
>> >circles to make grooves. Finally I use a wooden tool to make a large X
>> >over these rings (more grooves). I gently wet the bottom of the bat
with a
>> >sponge and press it down with all my body weight in the CENTRE of the
bat.
>> > If you push on the edges it will not be even and the suction may not be
>> >good.
>> >
>> >I use this method all the time for large forms as well as small. It
sticks
>> >so well that I need a prying tool to remove the bat. Then I redig the
>> >grooves, wet the next bat and start again. If kept wet, it can be used
>> >over and over.
>> >
>> >Good luck,
>> >Michele Hoskin
>> >Toronto
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Sue Beach [SMTP:sbeach@iquest.net]
>> >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:50 AM
>> >To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>> >Subject: Beginner's Question - Bats
>> >
>> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> >This is a very basic question, I know, but I hope you will tolerate a
>> >question from a beginner.
>> >
>> >How does one get the bats to stay on the wheel?
>> >
>> >When I first started throwing, my pots were small and thick and removing
>> >them from the wheel wasn't a problem. As I've gotten a little better,
my
>> >pots have grown bigger and my walls thinner, but now they are so
fragile, I
>> >can't get the pots off the wheel without trashing them. I have tried to
>> >throw on bats, but can't get the bats to stay put on the wheel.
>> >
>> >My wheel is a kickwheel with a solid wooden wheelhead that has multiple
>> >coats of polyurethene on it to make it more waterproof. No pins; no pin
>> >holes. I have tried attaching both plasti-bats and a wooden bat to the
>> >wheel with clay, but they slide off center as soon as I put pressure on
the
>> >clay to center the ball.
>> >
>> >Can anyone suggest how to attach bats to my wheel short of drilling
holes
>> >and setting in pins?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >
>> >Sue Beach
>> >in central Indiana where it finally feels like it might actually be
spring
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Sue (Duncan) Beach & Ron Beach
>> >Muncie, IN
>> >sbeach@iquest.net
>> >
>> >PLEASE HELP US FIND OUR MISSING DAUGHTER
>> >Details at http://bsuvc.bsu.edu/~00sdbeach/erin.html
>> >
>> >County Coordinator: Loudoun Co., VA USGenWeb page:
>> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~valoudou/index.html
>> >
>> >List Manager: VALOUDOU-L: Mailing List for Loudoun Co., VA Genealogy &
>> >History
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