Roeder on mon 17 may 99
As I'm getting a load priced to take to a gallery, I wondered how you
feel about pricing pit fired, and saggar fired work.
One little pot of mine is blackware, only about 4 inches high but with
detailed designes, tripod feet, and lugs shaped like snail shells. It
has a $40 price on it and I'll get to keep $20.
For all the fiddling with the terra sig, the polishing, (all the work
that goes into pit or saggar firing)...not to mention the loss rate...it
seems low. Yet at 4x4 inches, it seems reasonable.
The largest pieces are maybe 14 inches high. Most pieces have lids
with intricate handles, or tripod feet and other attachments ....priced
up to $150 for the largest. Lovely smoke patterns, great sheen from
the sig. I just don't know.
Functional work, I'm more familiar with.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Candice Roeder
Pamala Browne on tue 18 may 99
Hello Candice-- Pricing is always difficult--I tend to price mine too low.Up
in Taos last summer I saw (and got to hold )a beautiful blackware piece just
about the size you were talking about.Made by a native American,carved,but
not as intricately as some I've seen--priced at $450.00(this is not a
typo).It was a perfect pot ,but for me, way overpriced !! HOWEVER,the
market there will bear that price and I am sure that the pot has sold.Maybe
this can give you some idea --I would certainly charge more than $20.00 if
it is of high craftsmanship.Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: Roeder
To:
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: Pricing pit fired work
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> As I'm getting a load priced to take to a gallery, I wondered how you
> feel about pricing pit fired, and saggar fired work.
>
> One little pot of mine is blackware, only about 4 inches high but with
> detailed designes, tripod feet, and lugs shaped like snail shells. It
> has a $40 price on it and I'll get to keep $20.
>
> For all the fiddling with the terra sig, the polishing, (all the work
> that goes into pit or saggar firing)...not to mention the loss rate...it
> seems low. Yet at 4x4 inches, it seems reasonable.
>
> The largest pieces are maybe 14 inches high. Most pieces have lids
> with intricate handles, or tripod feet and other attachments ....priced
> up to $150 for the largest. Lovely smoke patterns, great sheen from
> the sig. I just don't know.
>
> Functional work, I'm more familiar with.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Candice Roeder
>
Judith Enright on thu 20 may 99
I'd just like to pipe up here that pottery isn't just about size but about
workmanship. Andrea Faberge (sic?) from Menlo Park makes exquisite
miniatures that are fully functional and drop-dead gorgeous and charges a
hefty price for these tiny beauties at shows; can't imagine how much they
go for at gallery rates. I say: price the piece for what it's worth and
make sure you're selling it in the right forum.
Be well....
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello Candice-- Pricing is always difficult--I tend to price mine too low.Up
>in Taos last summer I saw (and got to hold )a beautiful blackware piece just
>about the size you were talking about.Made by a native American,carved,but
>not as intricately as some I've seen--priced at $450.00(this is not a
>typo).It was a perfect pot ,but for me, way overpriced !! HOWEVER,the
>market there will bear that price and I am sure that the pot has sold.Maybe
>this can give you some idea --I would certainly charge more than $20.00 if
>it is of high craftsmanship.Good Luck
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Roeder
>To:
>Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:39 AM
>Subject: Pricing pit fired work
>
>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> As I'm getting a load priced to take to a gallery, I wondered how you
>> feel about pricing pit fired, and saggar fired work.
>>
>> One little pot of mine is blackware, only about 4 inches high but with
>> detailed designes, tripod feet, and lugs shaped like snail shells. It
>> has a $40 price on it and I'll get to keep $20.
>>
>> For all the fiddling with the terra sig, the polishing, (all the work
>> that goes into pit or saggar firing)...not to mention the loss rate...it
>> seems low. Yet at 4x4 inches, it seems reasonable.
>>
>> The largest pieces are maybe 14 inches high. Most pieces have lids
>> with intricate handles, or tripod feet and other attachments ....priced
>> up to $150 for the largest. Lovely smoke patterns, great sheen from
>> the sig. I just don't know.
>>
>> Functional work, I'm more familiar with.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Candice Roeder
>>
Judith Enright at Black Leopard Clayware
BLEOPARD@ricochet.net
1438 Carnot Drive
San Jose, CA 95126
(408) 947-1723
Tena Payne on sat 22 may 99
Candace:
There's a fine line between pricing too much and pricing too little.
Perception is a funny thing. But the first consideration is to make it
worth your time. And sometimes I like to look at a piece with the thot
'would I rather keep the piece than sell it for $x ?' Often if I have a
piece I really like, I price it way out of the ball park.... like $100
over what it would normally sell for. I've found that these pieces _do_
sell, even at the inflated price because of the value I place on them
as the artist. I sometimes have to explain why that piece is priced so
out of context, but when I tell them why it's my favorite, they
understand. And if they do buy it, I know they will appreciate it as
much as I do, and I'm happy with the extra cash. People want fine
things. And some people don't care about money. To some people, the
more it costs, the better it is (in their minds) and the more they want
it. Now I'm not advocating fleecing someone, but value your work. It
sounds like really fine work. Be brave, double your prices. You might
be surprised.
If you perceive your work to be valuable, so will others. And that goes
for a lot of other things in life besides our art.
Tena
B'ham AL
> >> ----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> >> As I'm getting a load priced to take to a
> gallery, I wondered how you
> >> feel about pricing pit fired, and saggar fired
> work.
> >>
> >> One little pot of mine is blackware, only about 4
> inches high but with
> >> detailed designes, tripod feet, and lugs shaped
> like snail shells. It
> >> has a $40 price on it and I'll get to keep $20.
> >>
> >> For all the fiddling with the terra sig, the
> polishing, (all the work
> >> that goes into pit or saggar firing)...not to
> mention the loss rate...it
> >> seems low. Yet at 4x4 inches, it seems
> reasonable.
> >>
> >> The largest pieces are maybe 14 inches high.
> Most pieces have lids
> >> with intricate handles, or tripod feet and other
> attachments ....priced
> >> up to $150 for the largest. Lovely smoke
> patterns, great sheen from
> >> the sig. I just don't know.
> >>
> >> Functional work, I'm more familiar with.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Candice Roeder
> >>
>
> Judith Enright at Black Leopard Clayware
> BLEOPARD@ricochet.net
> 1438 Carnot Drive
> San Jose, CA 95126
> (408) 947-1723
>
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Russel Fouts on sat 29 may 99
Candice,
1.5 weeks behind with my Clayart and gaining but I felt I had to respond to
this.
>> As I'm getting a load priced to take to a gallery, I wondered how you
feel about pricing pit fired, and saggar fired work. One little pot of mine
is blackware, only about 4 inches high but with detailed designes, tripod
feet, and lugs shaped like snail shells. It has a $40 price on it and I'll
get to keep $20. For all the fiddling with the terra sig, the polishing,
(all the work that goes into pit or saggar firing)...not to mention the loss
rate...it seems low. Yet at 4x4 inches, it seems reasonable. The largest
pieces are maybe 14 inches high. Most pieces have lids with intricate
handles, or tripod feet and other attachments ....priced up to $150 for the
largest. Lovely smoke patterns, great sheen from the sig. I just don't
know. <<
My 19" handbuilt, terra-sigged plates started at 2000 Bf ($60) a couple of
years ago. I thought that that was "the price that the market would bear"
and I felt I was getting a good return on my time and investment. At that
time two things were happening; some of my friends still thought the price
was too low and people kept asking me "can I eat or serve out of this?"
Actually the 2nd question disturbed me more. We all know how fragile a terra
sigged surface is and in my mind the pieces were meant to be decorative,
handled definately but not really used.
This went on for about a year when I decided to raise the price to make them
more precious in the client's mind. The price of the 19" plate (my "mug", my
"entry level piece") is now 5000 Bf ($150). They still sell and no one asks
me "can I eat or serve out of this?" any more. I have started a line of
"heavy" pieces that are selling for 10 - 20000 Bf ( $300 - $600)
In the first annual Clayarter's Exhibition, I didn't sell a single piece and
had a long discussion with Marshall about raising the price. We actually
agreed to lower the price a little and I still didn't sell anything. Upon
reflection, I think it was a poor decision.
Given the amount of work that is put into a handbuilt piece, especially
smoke fired with all that burnishing, sigging, polishing, firing, re-firing,
reworking, re-re-firing and re-re-working (I'm building up layers of
decoration) until we get "what we're after". You just can't price handbuilt
work like functional. It probably shouldn't be shown with functional work
either.
Now lets discuss "hand built, functional work". Is the price of Sandi
Pierantozzi's wonderful spice jar set in the "Ceramics Monthly International
Competition" typical of her work?
Russel
Russel Fouts
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Brussels, Belgium
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