Odette Binder on wed 16 jun 99
Hi,
I'm interested in making beads, lowfire cone 05. Does anyone have any tips
on how to fire glazed beads? Is there something one can buy to set them on
that will withstand the heat, that they won't get stuck to.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Odette
Tyler Hannigan on thu 17 jun 99
There is an excellent design for a bead firing rack in the Nov. 1989 Ceramics
Monthly. p.78
Odette Binder wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi,
> I'm interested in making beads, lowfire cone 05. Does anyone have any tips
> on how to fire glazed beads? Is there something one can buy to set them on
> that will withstand the heat, that they won't get stuck to.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> Odette
--
Tyler Hannigan
Silverhawk Craft Realm
http://www.silverhawk.com/crafts
Khaimraj Seepersad on thu 17 jun 99
Hello ,
you could always try Egyptian Paste Beads and fire them on
nichrome wire . Will selfglaze and can be done in many different
colours . Paste can mature from 017 to 05 [ cone ], many recipes
available .
Ria
-----Original Message-----
From: Odette Binder
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: 16 June 1999 6:06
Subject: BEADS
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hi,
I'm interested in making beads, lowfire cone 05. Does anyone have any tips
on how to fire glazed beads? Is there something one can buy to set them on
that will withstand the heat, that they won't get stuck to.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Odette
claypots on thu 17 jun 99
-------------------
Most suppliers sell bead trees. They work great as long as you make the =
hole in
the bead large enough for the wire to fit through.
Debra
Paula Sibrack on thu 17 jun 99
Odette, Get some nichrome wire- it comes in various gauges- and string it
between some kiln posts, like a clothes line. Bend it at intervals that
correspond to the size of the beads to glaze. The notches will keep the
individuals beads from touching. This is a time consuming method, but it
works and the nichrome can be reused. Why not try colored clay for beads, or
even a wash of mason stains or oxides and avoid the glazing? Paula Sibrack
Marian, in the woods of Sherman CT, fresh from teaching and making my OWN
work now.
Caroline and Hedley Saunders on sat 19 jun 99
I must admit to finding responses like this a trifle frustrating, would it
be possible to describe the design? I have no access to back copies of CM
The only bead firing rack I have seen was made from 3 rectangular slabs of
clay joined to give a flat base and two parallel sides joined at right
angles to the base. The tops of the sides had small triangular shapes cut
out. (As though you had cut the top with large pinking shears) After
firing, nichrome wire was then laid from one side to the other and the beads
could be fired on the wire. (You bend the wire ends down to stabilise).
I'm not sure how many times you can use the nichrome wire, you might need to
use fresh each firing if you are using high temperatures otherwise keep a
note of how many times the wire has been fired....I'm sure someone else on
the list will know more about using nichrome wire in kilns.
Caroline
Devon, England
delphin@eclipse.co.ukX
Remove the X from the address (there to keep spam spiders at bay)
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>There is an excellent design for a bead firing rack in the Nov. 1989
Ceramics
>Monthly. p.78
>
claypots on sun 20 jun 99
------------------
Caroline--the bead tree I purchased was from Bailey Ceramics in New York. =
It
consists of 2 somewhat triangular ceramic pieces (like kiln post material) =
with
indentation for 6 nichrome wires. I have used the wires multiple times at =
Cone
6 and 04 firings without any problems. I just have to be carefull about =
drippy
glazes. I've only had one bead stick to the wire and it was no problem to =
get
it off. I've seen bead trees like this design and some similar designs in =
other
catalogs like Axner and some of my local suppliers. If you need more info. =
on
where these suppliers are, e-mail me and I will be happy to send addresses.
Debra
BTW, the message below was not one of mine, I just mentioned that bead trees
were available. I don't know of the design in the Nov. 1989 CM mag.
=3E----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3EThere is an excellent design for a bead firing rack in the Nov. 1989
Ceramics
=3EMonthly. p.78
=3E
Eileen Streeter on sun 20 jun 99
caroline...
you can log on to the ceramics monthly site...
www.ceramicsmonthly.org... see if that can assist you...
eileen
Sharon R Pemberton on tue 22 jun 99
Caroline,
I use a glass release on my wire, what I use on my mandrels when I make
beads, because sometimes I have a fluid glaze.
Pax,
Pug in Phoenix where it is the longest day of the year and will be 110 and it
does not matter what the humidity is.....it is damn hot!
Lori Pierce on wed 23 jun 99
Sharon, I am not familiar with "glass release" used in ceramic bead
making...can you share more informatiion? Trade name, Point of purchase?
couldn't find it in my catalogues.) Thanks, Lori in New Port Richey Fl.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon R Pemberton
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: BEADS
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Caroline,
>I use a glass release on my wire, what I use on my mandrels when I make
>beads, because sometimes I have a fluid glaze.
>
>Pax,
>Pug in Phoenix where it is the longest day of the year and will be 110 and
it
>does not matter what the humidity is.....it is damn hot!
>
Joyce Lee on wed 8 jan 03
I just looked at Andi Fasimpaur's site. Fascinating.
Having been told most emphatically that the
studio is Off Limits for 2 or 3 weeks as I recoupe
from what is common surgery today, I've been
toying with what I could do With Clay While Seated
Inside The
House. Andi's pierced porcelain beads and
pendants look most enticing .... and possible ...
since I'm continually back&forth about spending
more time on small or miniature objects. Hers
have a degree of elegance that I'd like to
emulate .... seems worth
taking some time to try and develop what minimum
piercing skills I might possess. =20
Francoise in Spain used to have beautifully
designed and executed pierced
bowls on her website, along with instructions for piercing.
I did manage a few acceptable small bowls at that time .....
maybe 6 of 12 that didn't break when fired.
Unfortunately, I got greedy and sold all but
one .... and it's broken at the rim or I'd have sold
it.... looks like the break was intended... wouldn't
fool a potter, however. Seems=20
they sold for about $50 U.S. All were
celadon. Drat.... didn't take photos either. Somehow
I couldn't feature them in shino. Since I was
working solely in shino at the time (still am mostly),
I dropped the piercing. =20
Thank you, Andi, for sharing so generously. I'm
getting more excited as I write. I can actually
begin this TODAY. My kind of project since I
still have an inclination to move on to a New Love
while waiting for materials to arrive from
Laguna or Aardvark. Old Brain can only absorb
and hold so much For the beads/pendants, all is
in place NOW.
Any suggestions will be eagerly and thankfully
accepted. I love this List.
Joyce
In the Mojave knowing that it's good to have a
young, bright ( though smartmouthed) doctor .....
yes. But when he is his patient's former student=20
(4 years ...
some years, two classes daily) ... who also is
delusioned by the concept that he's
a psychologist (which he is not) and Thinks he
Knows the patient ... labeling her More Than A=20
Little Obsessive ... and uses this pseudo
knowledge to make medical decisions about
how a patient is to spend her recuperation ......
AND passes his instructions to her #1 Support Person .... well, too late =
..... I'm committed. Besides, he's
a very fine doctor.
Toni Smith on fri 2 apr 04
Hi Laura, Andi Fasimpaur does very nice work with beads and has info on her website. You can email her at clayartist@mysticalspiral.com I think she is in Dayton,Ohio. Toni Smith
Laura Efthim on sat 3 apr 04
Thanks everyone for the input.
Thanks Andi - I checked out the website, trying to join the yahoo group but
can't seem to change the default email and I can't read any of the messages.
Still, it will be good to get into a group of people doing ceramic beads too.
Not much info out there that I can find.
Hey Phil - I'd like to see the other sides of the beads too, but it doesn't
look like the website will oblige. I was wondering if the master-positive might
be made out of clay...
Thanks again.
- Laura
(P.S. I live near Baltimore. I've been lurking for a long time but maybe I
should be more active so I can know some people before the next NCECA).
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 4 apr 04
Hi Laura,
I am sorry now I did not write to the Artist, and, ask them
on general priciples, if I might be directed to some image
as
shows the back-sides...maybe you could do that? try that
again - ask them?
I do not imagine it would matter what the originals were
made out of, but I would expect that they would be resistant
to Water, and that the Molds made from them, for the
Porcelain pieces shown, would have been Plaster.
I have made patterns of Mahogany, finished in shellac and
waxed...and, made Refractory Plaster moulds from them for
Metal Casting, and with no ill effect
to the Wooden object itself for having sat in the drying
Plaster. So I think that about anything
would be fine for the original, as long as it were somewhat
durable, and,
could be made Water resistant so the Plaster mold may be
made from
it withut troubles from adhesion or puffing or damage to the
master-original thing itself...
Phil
lasveg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Efthim"
> Thanks everyone for the input.
> Thanks Andi - I checked out the website, trying to join
the yahoo group but
> can't seem to change the default email and I can't read
any of the messages.
> Still, it will be good to get into a group of people doing
ceramic beads too.
> Not much info out there that I can find.
> Hey Phil - I'd like to see the other sides of the beads
too, but it doesn't
> look like the website will oblige. I was wondering if the
master-positive might
> be made out of clay...
> Thanks again.
> - Laura
> (P.S. I live near Baltimore. I've been lurking for a long
time but maybe I
> should be more active so I can know some people before the
next NCECA).
>
>
____________________________________________________________
__________________
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your
subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached
at melpots@pclink.com.
Andi Fasimpaur on mon 5 apr 04
At 08:58 PM 4/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks Andi - I checked out the website, trying to join the yahoo group but
>can't seem to change the default email and I can't read any of the messages.
>Still, it will be good to get into a group of people doing ceramic beads too.
Hopefully, Laura, your problems have been resolved. (If you're continuing
to have problems, please email me directly and I'll try to help... I was
out of commission for most of the last 3 days with a migraine.) The
Beads-of-Clay list and website are growing dramatically. It is very
rewarding to check in and see posts or pictures uploaded from more than 60
members. We've talked about everything from firing problems and concerns to
marketing and it's great to have such a focused support group.
One of the things that the Beads-of-Clay group is doing is a monthly
challenge. Each month a challenge will be posted to the list and on the
website so that we can all push our boundaries a little and broaden our
clay horizons. I agree with Melinda Collins' post earlier today in which
she said, "It is my feeling, that on clayart, more people should challenge
themselves to develop unique work through unique materials, not just unique
shapes or glaze combos........try out "adornment" as a vehicle to explore
alternative clays........." working in this scale provides so many
opportunities for experimentation and for stretching personal boundaries. I
try to have at least one pure experiment in every kiln load. Always nice to
be guaranteed a surprise.
Speaking of kiln loads... I have one to open downstairs and need to get
some glazing done for another firing. I'd love to do a firing overnight.
Best Wishes,
Andi.
http://www.beads-of-clay.org
http://www.mysticspiral.com
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mysticspiralbeads/
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=mysticspiral
marshanealstudio on wed 7 apr 04
Hey Laura - I just happened upon your messages here on clayart, and
wanted to let you know that I'm a ceramic beadmaker (and tilemaker)-
and I live in New Castle County, Delaware... It's nice to meet people
that live somewhat close to help network.... I look forward to seeing
you on Beads of Clay!!!
~Marsha
www.MarshaNealStudio.com
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Laura Efthim wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the input.
> Thanks Andi - I checked out the website, trying to join the yahoo
group but
> can't seem to change the default email and I can't read any of the
messages.
> Still, it will be good to get into a group of people doing ceramic
beads too.
> Not much info out there that I can find.
> Hey Phil - I'd like to see the other sides of the beads too, but it
doesn't
> look like the website will oblige. I was wondering if the master-
positive might
> be made out of clay...
> Thanks again.
> - Laura
> (P.S. I live near Baltimore. I've been lurking for a long time but
maybe I
> should be more active so I can know some people before the next
NCECA).
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
________
> Send postings to clayart@l...
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your
subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@p...
Jeannean Hibbitts on sun 11 mar 12
A local fiber artist has asked me to make her some ceramic beads to
incorporate into her work. My first effort was fine until I got to glazing.
I made a hook that would allow me to dunk the beads in the glaze, but I had
to leave a bare spot on one end for setting the bead in the kiln shelf for
firing. I'm not happy with the results. I found that they make special bead
racks with nichrome wire, as well as ceramic rods. Would using nichrome
wire allow me to completely glaze the beads, or would the beads be
permanently stuck to the wire? How about the ceramic rods?
Any bead-making advice would be appreciated. They're fun to make.
Thanks!
Jeannean
Spiderhole Pottery
Astoria, Oregon
...where crocuses and early daffodils are in bloom but it still feels like
winter...
Pam Cresswell on sun 11 mar 12
Hi Jeanean,
I do a lot of beads and charms. The nichrome wire that you see in most
ceramic/pottery supply shops will sag, causing much grief. I highly
recommend
hi fire rods, like what is sold at wholelottawhimsy.com (no connection, jus=
t
where
I buy them). I get them in 8 and 11 gauge, I think it is. Both work fine, =
I
do not
bother with fancy bead racks, I just lay 2 kiln posts on their sides and
span them
with the rods with beads strung on them. I wax the bead holes before dippin=
g
in
glaze, a short link of copper wire with a hook on the end works well for
that.
I do not bother to wax if I brush on glaze, but that is a pain for a
sizeable batch...
also studio mixed glazes work better dipped than brushed IMO
there is a group called Beads of Clay I am part of, check out the website
www.beadsofclay.org and a blog and an etsy group, all those links are on th=
e
web site
pam
Pam@cresswells.com
http://www.etsy.com/shop/IndianCreekStudios
http://www.etsy.com/shop/LittleHippieMama
http://pampots.blogspot.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeannean Hibbitts
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:04 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Beads
A local fiber artist has asked me to make her some ceramic beads to
incorporate into her work. My first effort was fine until I got to glazing.
I made a hook that would allow me to dunk the beads in the glaze, but I had
to leave a bare spot on one end for setting the bead in the kiln shelf for
firing. I'm not happy with the results. I found that they make special bead
racks with nichrome wire, as well as ceramic rods. Would using nichrome
wire allow me to completely glaze the beads, or would the beads be
permanently stuck to the wire? How about the ceramic rods?
Any bead-making advice would be appreciated. They're fun to make.
Thanks!
Jeannean
Spiderhole Pottery
Astoria, Oregon
...where crocuses and early daffodils are in bloom but it still feels like
winter...
William & Susan Schran User on sun 11 mar 12
On 3/11/12 5:04 PM, "Jeannean Hibbitts"
wrote:
>A local fiber artist has asked me to make her some ceramic beads to
>incorporate into her work. My first effort was fine until I got to
>glazing.
>I made a hook that would allow me to dunk the beads in the glaze, but I
>had
>to leave a bare spot on one end for setting the bead in the kiln shelf for
>firing. I'm not happy with the results. I found that they make special
>bead
>racks with nichrome wire, as well as ceramic rods. Would using nichrome
>wire allow me to completely glaze the beads, or would the beads be
>permanently stuck to the wire? How about the ceramic rods?
>Any bead-making advice would be appreciated. They're fun to make.
>
If you're planning on doing bead firing you can design them so that
unglazed areas would be at either end and just apply glaze to the central
portion and stand them on end in the firing.
Another way would employ a bead rack. Here's one example:
http://ceramicsupplyinc.com/bead-setter.aspx (not saying buy this, just an
example)
Rods for beads are rather thick and I would actually use them to form the
hole and weedle around a bit to expand the opening to compensate for
shrinkage. Most bead rods are made for low fire work, they will bend in
high fire with weight of beads on them. I would suggest firing beads high
fire with no glaze then decorating with low-fire glaze to get exact colors
for your client and if wanted, brighter colors. If client likes them she
may be encouraged to tell others, and off you go!
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
>
logan johnson on sun 11 mar 12
Have you considered using Egyptian Paste for your button=3D
Hey Jeannean,=3D0A=3D0AHave you considered using Egyptian Paste for your bu=
tton=3D
s ?=3DA0=3DA0 Yes , it's low temp,=3DA0 No there aren't as many colors avai=
lable =3D
like there would be using glazes BUT you don't have to wax then dip the bea=
=3D
ds in=3DA0 glaze since it's self glazing clay .=3DA0=3DA0 Check Seattle Pot=
tery S=3D
upply to see what they are carrying these days.=3DA0 They used to have blac=
k,=3D
white, blue , yellow (not crayon yellow)=3DA0=3DA0 I tried working with E.=
P. f=3D
or a little bit & can give you a few tips if=3DA0 you're interested & have =
ne=3D
ver used it.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0AJust a thought.=3D0AHugs,=3D0ALogan=3D0A=3D0A=
=3DA0=3D0ALogan John=3D
son =3D0AAudeo Studios=3D0A=3D0A3930 118th Pl.=3DA0 n.e.=3D0A=3D0AMarysvill=
e, Wa.=3D0A982=3D
71=3D0A(360) 651- 1478=3D0A =3D0A=3DA0www.audeostudios.com=3D0A"Carpe Argil=
lam!!"=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0A________________________________=3D0A From: Jeannean Hibbitts iderho=3D
lepottery@GMAIL.COM>=3D0ATo: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG =3D0ASent: Sunday, Ma=
rch =3D
11, 2012 2:04 PM=3D0ASubject: Beads=3D0A =3D0AA local fiber artist has aske=
d me t=3D
o make her some ceramic beads to=3D0Aincorporate into her work. My first ef=
fo=3D
rt was fine until I got to glazing.=3D0AI made a hook that would allow me t=
o =3D
dunk the beads in the glaze, but I had=3D0Ato leave a bare spot on one end =
fo=3D
r setting the bead in the kiln shelf for=3D0Afiring. I'm not happy with the=
r=3D
esults. I found that they make special bead=3D0Aracks with nichrome wire, a=
s =3D
well as ceramic rods. Would using nichrome=3D0Awire allow me to completely =
gl=3D
aze the beads, or would the beads be=3D0Apermanently stuck to the wire? How=
a=3D
bout the ceramic rods?=3D0AAny bead-making advice would be appreciated. The=
y'=3D
re fun to make.=3D0A=3D0AThanks!=3D0AJeannean=3D0ASpiderhole Pottery=3D0AAs=
toria, Ore=3D
gon=3D0A...where crocuses and early daffodils are in bloom but it still fee=
ls=3D
like=3D0Awinter...
Steve Mills on mon 12 mar 12
Dear Jeannean,
A trick many of our customers employed is somewhat easier and cheaper than =
B=3D
ead Racks.=3D20
Make a cone of clay roughly 7 inches tall, pinch it at the top to make a ru=
d=3D
imentary handle, then cut 2 inch lengths of Nichrome wire and stick them ha=
l=3D
f an inch in all over the cone so that it looks like a Christmas Tree, and =
b=3D
isque fire it.=3D20
You can get about 3 + beads on each bit of wire, depending on size of cour=
s=3D
e, and the wires won't sag. You can use it many times, and it's also good i=
f=3D
you Raku fire beads as the whole thing goes into the reducing bin and you =
d=3D
on't have to sieve the sawdust to find them afterwards!!=3D20
Can send a drawing if needed.=3D20
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my iPod
On 11 Mar 2012, at 21:04, Jeannean Hibbitts w=
r=3D
ote:
> A local fiber artist has asked me to make her some ceramic beads to
> incorporate into her work. My first effort was fine until I got to glazin=
g=3D
.
> I made a hook that would allow me to dunk the beads in the glaze, but I h=
a=3D
d
> to leave a bare spot on one end for setting the bead in the kiln shelf fo=
r=3D
> firing. I'm not happy with the results. I found that they make special be=
a=3D
d
> racks with nichrome wire, as well as ceramic rods. Would using nichrome
> wire allow me to completely glaze the beads, or would the beads be
> permanently stuck to the wire? How about the ceramic rods?
> Any bead-making advice would be appreciated. They're fun to make.
>=3D20
> Thanks!
> Jeannean
> Spiderhole Pottery
> Astoria, Oregon
> ...where crocuses and early daffodils are in bloom but it still feels lik=
e=3D
> winter...
Don Goodrich on mon 12 mar 12
Steve, your post brings to mind a stupid idea / learning experience I had=
=3D
some=3D20
years ago. I made a bead tree as you describe, but instead of using nichr=
=3D
ome=3D20
wire I used tungsten electrodes, such as are used for TIG (tungsten inert=
=3D
gas)=3D20
welding. Completely overlooked the INERT GAS part of that, and found that=
=3D
an=3D20
electric kiln is quite capable of oxidizing tungsten rods into ugly green=
=3D
-black=3D20
powder in a cone 6 firing. About that time I decided to save some of the=3D=
20=3D
trimmings from my new kiln elements for future use.
Cheers,
Don Goodrich
http://dongoodrichpottery.com/
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:42:56 +0000, Steve Mills=3D20
wrote, in part:
>Dear Jeannean,
>A trick many of our customers employed is somewhat easier and cheaper=3D20=
=3D
than Bead Racks.=3D20
>Make a cone of clay roughly 7 inches tall, pinch it at the top to make a=
=3D
=3D20
rudimentary handle, then cut 2 inch lengths of Nichrome wire and stick th=
=3D
em=3D20
half an inch in all over the cone so that it looks like a Christmas Tree,=
=3D
and=3D20
bisque fire it.=3D20
...
>Steve M
Steve Mills on mon 12 mar 12
Dear Don,=3D20
I learnt this a long time ago, and I'm no spring chicken.=3D20
The learning curve is always vertical and sometimes it seems never ending.=
=3D20=3D
:-)
Take care
Steve
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my iPod
On 12 Mar 2012, at 16:59, Don Goodrich wrote:
> Steve, your post brings to mind a stupid idea / learning experience I had=
s=3D
ome=3D20
> years ago. I made a bead tree as you describe, but instead of using nichr=
o=3D
me=3D20
> wire I used tungsten electrodes, such as are used for TIG (tungsten inert=
g=3D
as)=3D20
> welding. Completely overlooked the INERT GAS part of that, and found that=
a=3D
n=3D20
> electric kiln is quite capable of oxidizing tungsten rods into ugly green=
-=3D
black=3D20
> powder in a cone 6 firing. About that time I decided to save some of the=
=3D20=3D
> trimmings from my new kiln elements for future use.
>=3D20
> Cheers,
> Don Goodrich
>=3D20
> http://dongoodrichpottery.com/
>=3D20
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:42:56 +0000, Steve Mills=3D20
> wrote, in part:
>=3D20
>> Dear Jeannean,
>> A trick many of our customers employed is somewhat easier and cheaper=3D=
20
> than Bead Racks.=3D20
>> Make a cone of clay roughly 7 inches tall, pinch it at the top to make a=
=3D20=3D
> rudimentary handle, then cut 2 inch lengths of Nichrome wire and stick th=
e=3D
m=3D20
> half an inch in all over the cone so that it looks like a Christmas Tree,=
a=3D
nd=3D20
> bisque fire it.=3D20
> ...
>> Steve M
| |
|
