Lee Jaffe on fri 30 jul 99
Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
"We here at eglaze..." and it is signed by Stan, eglaze project coordinator
The note is a bit vague. It seems to be a bit of everything, but nothing
specific.
Then there was this posting through CLAYART today...
At 2:33 PM -0400 7/28/99, Stan wrote:
>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:33:39 EDT
>From: Stan
>Subject: Ceramic in the 21th century
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Lately I've been using the web to do most of the
>research, and find it very helpful. One site that has
>successfully made the transition between traditional
>paper info to the digital superhiway is a site called
>eglaze.com It's a well organized site, it's worth
>the visit.
>
>http://www.eglaze.com
So "Stan" is pretending to be just another member who happened to
find eglaze helpful.
I checked out the site and it's very glossy, with high-priced ads, not clay
related. There is no identification of who eglaze is, either the people or
the organization behind it.
I don't want to sound paranoid, but I guess I'm used to pottery organizations
being more people identified, I'm suspicious when people hide who they really
are, and I'm wary about email from faceless organizations. It's probably not
the CIA or the U.S. Labor Party, but it could be Disney or ATT or Microsoft
for all the info they give. (Can't you just see us all having to upgrade to
B-Mix 2000 for our pottery to be Y2K compliant?) And where did they get
the email addresses? What list are the using?
Checking under the bed tonight and double-locking all the doors,
-- Lee Jaffe
John Hesselberth on sun 1 aug 99
Indeed you are right Lee. eglaze.com is registered to one Stanley Yuan,
5632 Beacon St., Pittsburgh, PA. The email address listed in the
registration is be_quiet@yahoo.com. Interestingly the featured artist on
the site is one Jara Yuan. Hmmm. I wonder if she is any relation???
Apparently "Stan" is up to some disguised self-promotion. John
Lee Jaffe wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
>
>"We here at eglaze..." and it is signed by Stan, eglaze project coordinator
>The note is a bit vague. It seems to be a bit of everything, but nothing
>specific.
>
>Then there was this posting through CLAYART today...
>
>At 2:33 PM -0400 7/28/99, Stan wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:33:39 EDT
>>From: Stan
>>Subject: Ceramic in the 21th century
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>Lately I've been using the web to do most of the
>>research, and find it very helpful. One site that has
>>successfully made the transition between traditional
>>paper info to the digital superhiway is a site called
>>eglaze.com It's a well organized site, it's worth
>>the visit.
>>
>>http://www.eglaze.com
>
>So "Stan" is pretending to be just another member who happened to
>find eglaze helpful.
>
>I checked out the site and it's very glossy, with high-priced ads, not clay
>related. There is no identification of who eglaze is, either the people or
>the organization behind it.
>
>I don't want to sound paranoid, but I guess I'm used to pottery organizations
>being more people identified, I'm suspicious when people hide who they really
>are, and I'm wary about email from faceless organizations. It's probably not
>the CIA or the U.S. Labor Party, but it could be Disney or ATT or Microsoft
>for all the info they give. (Can't you just see us all having to upgrade to
>B-Mix 2000 for our pottery to be Y2K compliant?) And where did they get
>the email addresses? What list are the using?
>
>Checking under the bed tonight and double-locking all the doors,
>
>-- Lee Jaffe
John Hesselberth
Frog Pond Pottery
P.O. Box 88
Pocopson, PA 19366 USA
EMail: john@frogpondpottery.com web site: http://www.frogpondpottery.com
"It is time for potters to claim their proper field. Pottery in its pure
form relies neither on sculptural additions nor on pictorial decorations.
but on the counterpoint of form, design, colour, texture and the quality
of the material, all directed to a function." Michael Cardew in "Pioneer
Pottery"
Jim Cullen on sun 1 aug 99
Lee...I had the same response...WHO ARE THESE GUYS???
But, after spending a couple of minutes I found nothing harmful nor
misleading. It was simply a web-site with some helpful hints, not a lot of
depth and even some interesting pots. They photographically showed the basics
in a straight forward manner with simple captions and didn't break any new
ground but, gave it pretty much "the way it is."
I only wish whoever THEY are good luck and success in WHATEVER it is they are
trying to do.
KEEP CENTERED
Jim Cullen
Naperville, Illinois
Christopher J. Anton on sun 1 aug 99
I did, and I visited the site. It seems very well put together, and I have
added it to my links collection.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Jaffe
To:
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 10:11 AM
Subject: eglaze.com - who are those guys?
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
>
> "We here at eglaze..." and it is signed by Stan, eglaze project
coordinator
> The note is a bit vague. It seems to be a bit of everything, but nothing
> specific.
>
> Then there was this posting through CLAYART today...
>
> At 2:33 PM -0400 7/28/99, Stan wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:33:39 EDT
> >From: Stan
> >Subject: Ceramic in the 21th century
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Lately I've been using the web to do most of the
> >research, and find it very helpful. One site that has
> >successfully made the transition between traditional
> >paper info to the digital superhiway is a site called
> >eglaze.com It's a well organized site, it's worth
> >the visit.
> >
> >http://www.eglaze.com
>
> So "Stan" is pretending to be just another member who happened to
> find eglaze helpful.
>
> I checked out the site and it's very glossy, with high-priced ads, not
clay
> related. There is no identification of who eglaze is, either the people
or
> the organization behind it.
>
> I don't want to sound paranoid, but I guess I'm used to pottery
organizations
> being more people identified, I'm suspicious when people hide who they
really
> are, and I'm wary about email from faceless organizations. It's probably
not
> the CIA or the U.S. Labor Party, but it could be Disney or ATT or
Microsoft
> for all the info they give. (Can't you just see us all having to upgrade
to
> B-Mix 2000 for our pottery to be Y2K compliant?) And where did they get
> the email addresses? What list are the using?
>
> Checking under the bed tonight and double-locking all the doors,
>
> -- Lee Jaffe
>
Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) on sun 1 aug 99
Yes, I did and sent them a note asking who they were and why they sent me an
advertisement which is against the rules of Clayart. I also told them I
considered their message SPAM.
No response yet. I assume they don't want to tell us who they are. And, that
they are fishing around for something....mainly information and addresses. They
already have the e-mail addresses, but they want something more.
Sandy
Sandra Dwiggins
Sandra Dwiggins
Technical Information Specialist
Office of Cancer Information, Communication and Education
National Cancer Institute
National Institutes of Health
e-mail: sdwiggin@exchange.nih.gov
fax:301-480-8105
phone: 301-496-7406
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Jaffe [SMTP:jaffe@scruznet.com]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 11:12 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: eglaze.com - who are those guys?
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
"We here at eglaze..." and it is signed by Stan, eglaze project coordinator
The note is a bit vague. It seems to be a bit of everything, but nothing
specific.
Then there was this posting through CLAYART today...
At 2:33 PM -0400 7/28/99, Stan wrote:
>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:33:39 EDT
>From: Stan
>Subject: Ceramic in the 21th century
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Lately I've been using the web to do most of the
>research, and find it very helpful. One site that has
>successfully made the transition between traditional
>paper info to the digital superhiway is a site called
>eglaze.com It's a well organized site, it's worth
>the visit.
>
>http://www.eglaze.com
So "Stan" is pretending to be just another member who happened to
find eglaze helpful.
I checked out the site and it's very glossy, with high-priced ads, not clay
related. There is no identification of who eglaze is, either the people or
the organization behind it.
I don't want to sound paranoid, but I guess I'm used to pottery organizations
being more people identified, I'm suspicious when people hide who they really
are, and I'm wary about email from faceless organizations. It's probably not
the CIA or the U.S. Labor Party, but it could be Disney or ATT or Microsoft
for all the info they give. (Can't you just see us all having to upgrade to
B-Mix 2000 for our pottery to be Y2K compliant?) And where did they get
the email addresses? What list are the using?
Checking under the bed tonight and double-locking all the doors,
-- Lee Jaffe
L.P. Skeen on sun 1 aug 99
Lee Jaffe wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
>
> "We here at eglaze..." and it is signed by Stan, eglaze project coordinator
> The note is a bit vague. It seems to be a bit of everything, but nothing
> specific.
I got it and immediately deleted. I don't do business with people who spam.
--
Lisa Skeen ICQ#15554910 http://www.living-tree.net
Living Tree Pottery & Soaps, Summerfield, NC
~*~* A clean house is a sign of a misspent life.*~*~
@}~~~ Religions should get out of politics or be taxed.~~~{@
Tim Lynch on sun 1 aug 99
On the other hand, I went to eglaze and found a very professional looking
site that was still under construction. Most of the links and info won't be
working until Aug according to the info I read at the site. Catchy title,
eh?
Tim Lynch
The Clay Man Pottery
East Wenatchee, WA.,USA, where it's only supposed to hit 95 today. Ah,
cooler weather at last.
----------
>From: Lee Jaffe
>To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Subject: eglaze.com - who are those guys?
>Date: Fri, Jul 30, 1999, 8:11 AM
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
>
> "We here at eglaze..." and it is signed by Stan, eglaze project coordinator
> The note is a bit vague. It seems to be a bit of everything, but nothing
> specific.
>
> Then there was this posting through CLAYART today...
>
> At 2:33 PM -0400 7/28/99, Stan wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:33:39 EDT
>>From: Stan
>>Subject: Ceramic in the 21th century
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>Lately I've been using the web to do most of the
>>research, and find it very helpful. One site that has
>>successfully made the transition between traditional
>>paper info to the digital superhiway is a site called
>>eglaze.com It's a well organized site, it's worth
>>the visit.
>>
>>http://www.eglaze.com
>
> So "Stan" is pretending to be just another member who happened to
> find eglaze helpful.
>
> I checked out the site and it's very glossy, with high-priced ads, not clay
> related. There is no identification of who eglaze is, either the people or
> the organization behind it.
>
> I don't want to sound paranoid, but I guess I'm used to pottery organizations
> being more people identified, I'm suspicious when people hide who they really
> are, and I'm wary about email from faceless organizations. It's probably not
> the CIA or the U.S. Labor Party, but it could be Disney or ATT or Microsoft
> for all the info they give. (Can't you just see us all having to upgrade to
> B-Mix 2000 for our pottery to be Y2K compliant?) And where did they get
> the email addresses? What list are the using?
>
> Checking under the bed tonight and double-locking all the doors,
>
> -- Lee Jaffe
Carol Jackaway on sun 1 aug 99
I received a message from "Stan" from eglaze.com. I checked out the site and
found no real information. I also sent an e-mail back asking just what type
of information he was looking for or if he was looking for subscribtins.
Based on what I saw, I would not subscribe.
Carol Jackaway
Parkside Pa.
my veggy garden needs saome rain and my flower beds are drying up.
Ray Aldridge on sun 1 aug 99
At 11:11 AM 7/30/99 EDT, Lee wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Did anyone else get an off-list note from eglaze?
In my opinion, all unsolicited emails are spam.
>
>So "Stan" is pretending to be just another member who happened to
>find eglaze helpful.
This is an unfortunate tactic, which Stan probably read about in some book
on getting rich quick on the Internet. Most practitioners of this tactic
get themselves a hotmail address from which to post their phony
testimonials to lists and newsgroups, so we can at least admire Stan for
his lack of guile
>
>I checked out the site and it's very glossy, with high-priced ads, not clay
>related. There is no identification of who eglaze is, either the people or
>the organization behind it.
>
>I don't want to sound paranoid, but I guess I'm used to pottery organizations
>being more people identified, I'm suspicious when people hide who they really
>are, and I'm wary about email from faceless organizations. It's probably not
>the CIA or the U.S. Labor Party, but it could be Disney or ATT or Microsoft
>for all the info they give. (Can't you just see us all having to upgrade to
>B-Mix 2000 for our pottery to be Y2K compliant?) And where did they get
>the email addresses? What list are the using?
>
The email addresses of all Clayart members are available to any member who
sends the proper command to the list server, if I'm not mistaken.
A much better tactic for Stan would have been to simply make a small modest
announcement post on Clayart, which would have been posted to all the
people he spammed offlist, and would not have been resented by any
reasonable person. The site looks well-designed and potentially useful,
and it would be a shame if it failed because its promoter didn't understand
net etiquette.
Most folks who spam and use slightly underhanded methods of promoting their
sites don't do it because they are bad people. They just aren't familiar
with the conventions of net culture.
On the other hand, nowhere in the writer's guidelines is payment mentioned.
I probably won't be writing for eglaze.
Ray
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