Diane Woloshyn on fri 27 aug 99
Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to smear all over the ware when
I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off thoroughly, the stain/engobe
comes out of the carving or writing. None of my books tell me how to solve
this problem. Help please!!
Diane Florida Bird Lady
Lesley Alexander on sat 28 aug 99
This is only a partial solution, but after using a wet sponge to remove as
much as you can without picking up the work in the crevices, try some
careful work with a rubber eraser. It's slow and without patience could
also take stuff out of the crevices. Also, it helps to make the
indentations deep and with precise edges. Good luck, Lesley in So Calif.
zahidi neale on sun 29 aug 99
I have a cake frosting decorator with a thin point that dispenses the thick
slip in a fine line into the depressions. Not for a lot of work, though, and
requires a steady hand.
Zee in LA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Woloshyn
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: Stains/engobes in carving
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill
in
>nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay
and
>it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
>Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to smear all over the ware
when
>I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off thoroughly, the stain/engobe
>comes out of the carving or writing. None of my books tell me how to solve
>this problem. Help please!!
>
>Diane Florida Bird Lady
elizabeth priddy on sun 29 aug 99
this is what I do
make the carving moderately deep
while leather hard, fill with whatever
wait til leather is almost bone
scrape over surface with flexible metal rib
this will sharpen edges of engraved area
but leave color in it
lightly buff area with scrubby to smooth scrape marks
this will soften edges of engraved area
hope it works for you!
---
Elizabeth Priddy
I speak from sincerity and experience, not authority...
email: epriddy@usa.net
website: www.angelfire.com/nc/clayworkshop
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:10:24 Diane Woloshyn wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
>nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
>it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
>Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to smear all over the ware when
>I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off thoroughly, the stain/engobe
>comes out of the carving or writing. None of my books tell me how to solve
>this problem. Help please!!
>
>Diane Florida Bird Lady
>
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Bob Freitas on sun 29 aug 99
Hi to All,
Diane, apply the engobe to leather hard clay, allow to dry a few minutes (maybe
a lot of minutes), then scrape off. The colored material in the depressions will
have a nice, crisp edge. If it seems to be smearing, let the piece dry awhile
longer.
Bob
in central California, where it's been hot and muggy!
Diane Woloshyn wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
> nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
> it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
> Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to smear all over the ware when
> I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off thoroughly, the stain/engobe
> comes out of the carving or writing. None of my books tell me how to solve
> this problem. Help please!!
>
> Diane Florida Bird Lady
Antoinette Badenhorst on sun 29 aug 99
Diane, you fill it in at a fairly wet stage(cheese hard,before leather
hard), let it stand to set and then scratch the clay(top layer of the
clay body as well as the englobe) away.You should do this before the
clay color start changing, otherwise you will chip the englobe out.
Read my remarks on a previous question about slip and slip recipes.
Feel free to say if I am not clear on this.
Antoinette
--- Diane Woloshyn wrote:
> ----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting
> carved writing to fill in
> nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay,
> leatherhard, dry clay and
> it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or
> overflow is wiped off.
> Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to
> smear all over the ware when
> I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off
> thoroughly, the stain/engobe
> comes out of the carving or writing. None of my
> books tell me how to solve
> this problem. Help please!!
>
> Diane Florida Bird Lady
>
===
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Craig Martell on sun 29 aug 99
Diane wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
>nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
>it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
Use a clay slip with coloring oxides or stains added. Inlay into the
lettering or depressed design and then let the whole shebang get to the
bone dry state. Scrape off the inlaid slip with a thin rib to reveal the
lettering. Don't use a sponge or any water at all. That's what messes up
the design. The Japanese call this technique "mishima". I've used it
before and it works pretty well. Maybe it will work for you. I hope so anyway.
regards, Craig Martell in Oregon
Mary Ella Yamashita on sun 29 aug 99
Hi, Diane. Have you tried painting the stains/engobes into the carving
with a fine tip paint brush? That is what I do to fill in the letters on
dry terracotta herb markers (I sand the letters first, so that is why I
have to wait until they are dry). If your stain is too thin for this, I've
read that glycerine is good for making a more paintable consistency. (I
use an iron oxide/gerstley borate blend; the gerstley seems to make the
iron melt better at low temps so it doesn't rub or wash off.)
Hope this helps--Mary Ella
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>Subject: Stains/engobes in carving
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>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
>nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
>it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
>Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to smear all over the ware when
>I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off thoroughly, the stain/engobe
>comes out of the carving or writing. None of my books tell me how to solve
>this problem. Help please!!
>
>Diane Florida Bird Lady
>
Veena Raghavan on mon 30 aug 99
Diane,
A suggestion, a method I have found useful for filling in carved
lines etc. Rather than putting the stain or engobe (I have only done this
with stain, underglaze and glaze) over the writing, have you tried applying
it just in the line with a hollow needle attached to a slip trailer. I
understand that you can get the needles from a vetinary medical supply
source.
Hope this helps.
Veena
Veena Raghavan
75124.2520@compuserve.com
Lynn Koning on mon 30 aug 99
if the area around the carving is smooth, fill in the carving when leather
hard and then take a rib and smooth the area. this way you can be messy when
filling in the carved spot and not worry about it. won't work if the area
around the carving is textured, though. sorry.
Lynn in L.A. (lower Alabama)
amy parker on mon 30 aug 99
At 02:10 PM 8/27/99 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
>nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
>it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
>Even tried bisqued and the stain just seemed to smear all over the ware when
>I tried wiping it off. Or if I wipe it off thoroughly, the stain/engobe
>comes out of the carving or writing. None of my books tell me how to solve
>this problem. Help please!!
>
>Diane Florida Bird Lady
Try filling in leatherhard carving with slip and allowing the slip to dry to
leatherhard also. Take a metal rib or other flexible scraper and scrape off
the overage carefully. Allow the pot to dry, then take steel wool and
carefully sand the area until the effect is what you want. "works for me"
CAUTION: Use dust precautions - do this outside in the breeze wearing a
respirator!
amy in not-as-hotlanta, where I finally got my 9th grader enrolled in a safe
decent school where she would be not repeating the past two years
academically...have one friend whose daughter just finished a local high
school with a 4.0 & can't pass the state HS graduation test! Loved my
daughter's comment when she found out she could only take 6 classes: "well,
I can ALWAYS do art at home - give me German!"
amy parker Lithonia, GA
amyp@sd-software.com
bowen dickson on mon 30 aug 99
Friend D:
To add to Craig's reply...after it's bone dry,I use a wad
of coarse steelwool to go over/remove excess stain or slip...also works on
bisque. best regards,
Bowen Dickson/Heron's Marsh Pottery
Kingston,Washington
On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Craig Martell wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Diane wrote:
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Can anyone tell me if there is a trick to getting carved writing to fill in
> >nicely with stain or engobes. Have tried wet clay, leatherhard, dry clay and
> >it always looks messy or smeared when the extra or overflow is wiped off.
>
> Use a clay slip with coloring oxides or stains added. Inlay into the
> lettering or depressed design and then let the whole shebang get to the
> bone dry state. Scrape off the inlaid slip with a thin rib to reveal the
> lettering. Don't use a sponge or any water at all. That's what messes up
> the design. The Japanese call this technique "mishima". I've used it
> before and it works pretty well. Maybe it will work for you. I hope so anyway
>
> regards, Craig Martell in Oregon
>
deborah goletz on wed 1 sep 99
Diane - I've recently used the following techniques to get my carved tile
to hold an underglaze:
First, bisque the carved tile, then apply underglaze or stains in an
underglaze base or engobe. While still wet, wipe with an ENTIRE roll of
cheap (not too absorbent and not too textured) paper towel using it like a
wand and turning it slightly as you wipe - when the outer sheet gets soiled
just tear it off and keep going - this takes off most of the excess
colorant but smears a thin film of it across the top ... let that dry.
Next, use one of those little round "clean up sponges" that come in the
basic potter's tool kit (Kemper?) and BARELY damp, rotate it on it's edge
to gently buff the surface to remove the smear. This requires patience and
a certain amount of finese which you will develop with the 2nd or 3rd
attempt - the nice part about using bisqued work is that you can re-fill
any parts you wipe too hard.
Another way to fill carving uses leather hard clay: apply the engobe/slip
to thoroughly fill the carved places, let it re-dry to firm leather hard,
then use a metal rib to scrape the surface, removing the engobe/slip (and a
bit of the clay too). The trick here is to really wait until it is again
leather hard - if you try to scrape when it is still even a bit wet, you
will only smear it around.
DeBorah Goletz
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