L&L Kiln Mfg on wed 1 sep 99
We are considering a design change on our kilns and would very much welcome
kiln user feedback. We notice that some of our competitors coat their kiln
lids on both sides with a watered down kiln brick cement. It looks nice and
covers the inevitable cosmetic flaws of the brick. Really makes the kilns
LOOK great. We do put a special facing material on all our brick which
hardens the brick and has worked great from a technical standpoint (for
well over 30 years). In discussing this issue with someone they told me
that the cement coating looks great for a while and then starts to flake
off (which is a huge problem and not acceptable to us). However, this was
one person's observation. Does anyone out there in this great Clayart
Listserve have experience pro or con? Your experience is invaluable in
helping us serve this community.
Thanks!
Stephen Lewicki
President
L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
6B Mt. Pleasant Drive
Aston, PA 19014
Phone: (610) 558-3899
Fax: (610) 558-3698
Email: steve@hotkilns.com
Frank M. Gaydos on thu 2 sep 99
I would like to see the kiln designers add some metal sheeting, about the
same width as the soft brick, to the underside of the lid at the handle.
2.5 x 4) Also, another 'cap' on the front brick by the handle. This is to
prevent the soft brick from being damaged when you prop the lids with kiln
posts or whatever you use when you crack the kiln and slowly raise the lid.
Now, most of my kilns look like they are smiling at me. I had some made for
me and after a few years they do get damaged by the heat, moisture and
sulfur, etc, but can be easily replaced. or, I could use a heavier thickness
of metal. They do work but now I must have them fabricated or do it myself
with some tin snips and scrap sheet metal.
> ----------------------------Original message below--------------------
> We are considering a design change on our kilns and would very much
welcome
> kiln user feedback. We notice that some of our competitors coat their kiln
> lids on both sides with a watered down kiln brick cement. It looks nice
and
> covers the inevitable cosmetic flaws of the brick. Really makes the kilns
> LOOK great. We do put a special facing material on all our brick which
> hardens the brick and has worked great from a technical standpoint (for
> well over 30 years). In discussing this issue with someone they told me
> that the cement coating looks great for a while and then starts to flake
> off (which is a huge problem and not acceptable to us). However, this was
> one person's observation. Does anyone out there in this great Clayart
> Listserve have experience pro or con? Your experience is invaluable in
> helping us serve this community.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Stephen Lewicki
> President
>
> L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
> 6B Mt. Pleasant Drive
> Aston, PA 19014
>
> Phone: (610) 558-3899
> Fax: (610) 558-3698
> Email: steve@hotkilns.com
>
Stephen Mills on fri 3 sep 99
Over here in the UK only imported Kilns have a cement coating on the
lids, UK made ones don't.
When I make replacement lids for customers I always coat them but I
don't dilute the cement with water, if you do then it DOES flake off, I
dilute with 75tw Sodium Silicate. That hasn't given any trouble at all
so far.
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , L&L Kiln Mfg writes
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>We are considering a design change on our kilns and would very much welcome
>kiln user feedback. We notice that some of our competitors coat their kiln
>lids on both sides with a watered down kiln brick cement. It looks nice and
>covers the inevitable cosmetic flaws of the brick. Really makes the kilns
>LOOK great. We do put a special facing material on all our brick which
>hardens the brick and has worked great from a technical standpoint (for
>well over 30 years). In discussing this issue with someone they told me
>that the cement coating looks great for a while and then starts to flake
>off (which is a huge problem and not acceptable to us). However, this was
>one person's observation. Does anyone out there in this great Clayart
>Listserve have experience pro or con? Your experience is invaluable in
>helping us serve this community.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Stephen Lewicki
>President
>
>L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
>6B Mt. Pleasant Drive
>Aston, PA 19014
>
>Phone: (610) 558-3899
>Fax: (610) 558-3698
>Email: steve@hotkilns.com
>
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
home e-mail: stevemills@mudslinger.demon.co.uk
work e-mail: stevemills@bathpotters.demon.co.uk
own website: http://www.mudslinger.demon.co.uk
BPS website: http://www.bathpotters.demon.co.uk
GSM_ENT on fri 3 sep 99
Hi Frank!
Some of the kiln manufacturers are doing just what you suggest-adding a
support plate at the front of the lid. I believe almost all manufacturers do
it under the lid band where the handle is installed. This "L" shaped piece
of metal is used to provide assitional support at the stress point of the
handle. The sheet metal screws used on the handle go through the lid band
and also throught this l shaped piece of metal. The bottom part of the L is
embebed into the brick for additiona lsupport. Some manufacturers do the
same thing except that their L shape piece of metal in brougth down so that
the bottom part of the L of the metal actually can be seen and "holds" the
lid by going under the firebrick. This L shape support can be retrofitted to
the lid using this "under the brick" installation system.
Also remember to tighten the lid band adjusting screws, if your lid had
then. Most manufacturers do use them. Make sure you grab the "buckle" with a
pair of channel lock pliers and then turn the screw to tigthned the band,
otherwise the contact weld spots may snap. If you do not keep this
tightening screws tigth there is a better chance for the lid to crack.
Regards,
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank M. Gaydos
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Kiln Lid Coatings
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I would like to see the kiln designers add some metal sheeting, about the
>same width as the soft brick, to the underside of the lid at the handle.
> 2.5 x 4) Also, another 'cap' on the front brick by the handle. This is to
>prevent the soft brick from being damaged when you prop the lids with kiln
>posts or whatever you use when you crack the kiln and slowly raise the lid.
>Now, most of my kilns look like they are smiling at me. I had some made for
>me and after a few years they do get damaged by the heat, moisture and
>sulfur, etc, but can be easily replaced. or, I could use a heavier
thickness
>of metal. They do work but now I must have them fabricated or do it myself
>with some tin snips and scrap sheet metal.
>
>
>
>> ----------------------------Original message below--------------------
>> We are considering a design change on our kilns and would very much
>welcome
>> kiln user feedback. We notice that some of our competitors coat their
kiln
>> lids on both sides with a watered down kiln brick cement. It looks nice
>and
>> covers the inevitable cosmetic flaws of the brick. Really makes the kilns
>> LOOK great. We do put a special facing material on all our brick which
>> hardens the brick and has worked great from a technical standpoint (for
>> well over 30 years). In discussing this issue with someone they told me
>> that the cement coating looks great for a while and then starts to flake
>> off (which is a huge problem and not acceptable to us). However, this was
>> one person's observation. Does anyone out there in this great Clayart
>> Listserve have experience pro or con? Your experience is invaluable in
>> helping us serve this community.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Stephen Lewicki
>> President
>>
>> L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
>> 6B Mt. Pleasant Drive
>> Aston, PA 19014
>>
>> Phone: (610) 558-3899
>> Fax: (610) 558-3698
>> Email: steve@hotkilns.com
>>
tmartens on tue 7 sep 99
My kiln lid originally had a layer of insulating K-wool "glued" on.
This eventually started disintegrating and caused problems. I took
it off and painted the lid with kiln cement "watered" down with
sodium silicate, it has been on for a long time now and has not
flaked off at all. It does not look so good because it went onto an
old lid, but has worked very well.
Toni, Durban South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> >> ----------------------------Original message below--------------------
> >> We are considering a design change on our kilns and would very much
> >welcome
> >> kiln user feedback. We notice that some of our competitors coat their
> kiln
> >> lids on both sides with a watered down kiln brick cement. It looks nice
> >and
> >> covers the inevitable cosmetic flaws of the brick. Really makes the kilns
> >> LOOK great. We do put a special facing material on all our brick which
> >> hardens the brick and has worked great from a technical standpoint (for
> >> well over 30 years). In discussing this issue with someone they told me
> >> that the cement coating looks great for a while and then starts to flake
> >> off (which is a huge problem and not acceptable to us). However, this was
> >> one person's observation. Does anyone out there in this great Clayart
> >> Listserve have experience pro or con? Your experience is invaluable in
> >> helping us serve this community.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> Stephen Lewicki
> >> President
> >>
> >> L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
> >> 6B Mt. Pleasant Drive
> >> Aston, PA 19014
> >>
> >> Phone: (610) 558-3899
> >> Fax: (610) 558-3698
> >> Email: steve@hotkilns.com
> >>
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