carrie or peter jacobson on wed 8 sep 99
Greetings,
Mel has twice now said that he believes it is dumb for people to get a
glaze recipe off Clayart and run right out and try it.
I would beg to differ.
Any way that people learn is right for them, isn't that true? And if
people, myself included, are new to glaze-making, one way to learn is to
try recipes, pay attention, see what happens. See what any particular
combination of materials produces. Alter it, see what that produces. Maybe
it's not the best way to learn, but who is to say what is best for me, for
you, for any of us?
Where is the harm in trying new recipes? Where is the stupidity?
I will try almost anything, once.
Carrie
Carrie Jacobson
Pawcatuck, CT
mailto:jacobson@brainiac.com
John Britt on fri 10 sep 99
Carrie,
It is a great idea to try recipes. The more you try, the more you
learn. The more you learn the better you feel, so lets eat beans for
every meal.
OH, wrong rhyme.
--
Thanks,
John Britt claydude@unicomp.net
Dys-Functional Pottery
Dallas, Texas
http://www.dysfunctionalpottery.com/claydude
http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/britt/welcome.html
Jon Kirkendall on fri 10 sep 99
> I know for a fact that until you've used a glaze for 6 months to a
> year, you really haven't learned much about it.
>
Man is that ever true! I finally have started mixing 200 gm glaze
tests, then if I like it, I'll mix only half a bucket (4000 or 5000 gms)
of the glaze. Then, after several more tests on bowls or mugs in
different places in my kiln, I will mix a full, 10,000 gm batch of the
glaze. Too often have I found that glaze that looks good on a test tile
looks really bad on a larger piece, and too often have I not been able
to duplicate on a regular basis what came out once on a test tile. It
has taken me a while to learn that patience and several tests are part
of the process of glaze making.
Jonathan in DC
where they are calling for severe thunderstorms and possible flash
floods tonight - perfect weather to start the new Harry Potter book that
arrived today!!! (Part three...Prisoner of Azkaban)
Nina Jones on fri 10 sep 99
------------------
That was my take as well. I think it was mel (though it might have been RR)=
a
few weeks backs emphasizing testing everything you're using for the first =
time
before putting it on those pots. Test tiles for clay, test tiles for =
glazes.
Test, test, test.
=3E=3E=3E Lee =26 Kevin Daniels =3Cleedani=40wolfenet.com=3E 09/09/99 =
11:21AM =3E=3E=3E
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Hi Carrie
I could be wrong here, but my take on mel's post was not that it's dumb to
try new glazes, but that it's dumb to try them on an otherwise fine pot
without running them through a few tests first. Speaking as one who has made
the mistake more than once, I gotta agree with mel. dumb.
- Lee in Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: carrie or peter jacobson =3Cjacobson=40brainiac.com=3E
To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:48 AM
Subject: trying recipes
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Greetings,
Mel has twice now said that he believes it is dumb for people to get a
glaze recipe off Clayart and run right out and try it.
I would beg to differ.
Any way that people learn is right for them, isn't that true? And if
people, myself included, are new to glaze-making, one way to learn is to
try recipes, pay attention, see what happens. See what any particular
combination of materials produces. Alter it, see what that produces. Maybe
it's not the best way to learn, but who is to say what is best for me, for
you, for any of us?
Where is the harm in trying new recipes? Where is the stupidity?
I will try almost anything, once.
Carrie
Carrie Jacobson
Pawcatuck, CT
mailto:jacobson=40brainiac.com
Janet Kaiser on sun 12 sep 99
Dear Carrie,
I believe Mel actually means taking a recipe off clay art (or any other
source come to that), mixing a huge great batch and then glazing everything
and anything in sight...
The economics of doing this, apart from the waste of glaze materials, pots,
time, etc. etc. would stop most people. Except the dumb, the wasteful and
the simple souls who take everything they see/hear at face value. I will not
say gullible, because I am sure everyone on this list very kindly passes on
their best tips, including recipes. But even then mistakes can happen. And I
will never forget the time I was given a "sure go" recipe only to find it
had been sabotaged... but that is another story of envy and maliciousness
and NOT something I like to dwell upon, or would dream of suspecting from
the generous souls on this list.
I think maybe you would also make a small batch of any new glaze, test and
then decide whether or not you like it before mixing gallons? The tried and
tested learning process as you and most of us depend upon.
Mel has just been around a long time and knows there are people "out there"
who dive in feet first and think later.
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art, Criccieth, GB-Wales
Home of THE INTERNATIONAL POTTERS PATH
http://www.the-coa.org.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: carrie or peter jacobson
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: 08 September 1999 18:48
Subject: trying recipes
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Greetings,
Mel has twice now said that he believes it is dumb for people to get a
glaze recipe off Clayart and run right out and try it.
I would beg to differ.
Any way that people learn is right for them, isn't that true? And if
people, myself included, are new to glaze-making, one way to learn is to
try recipes, pay attention, see what happens. See what any particular
combination of materials produces. Alter it, see what that produces. Maybe
it's not the best way to learn, but who is to say what is best for me, for
you, for any of us?
Where is the harm in trying new recipes? Where is the stupidity?
I will try almost anything, once.
Carrie
Carrie Jacobson
Pawcatuck, CT
mailto:jacobson@brainiac.com
carrie or peter jacobson on mon 13 sep 99
An awful lot of people have stepped up to the plate to explain what Mel
meant (about how appalled he was at the idea of all these ClayArters
running out and trying glazes from the list.)
While I appreciate ClayArters taking the time and energy to respond, I am
actually more interested in what the posters themselves think about the
question than I am in their suppositions of what Mel thinks.
I have not yet been a potter for two years, though that anniversary is
approaching. So really, I have no business brandishing my opinions as
though they derived from vast experience. They don't.
But I have been around a little bit in life, and I have met all kinds of
people who don't learn the same way I learn. Think about giving and taking
directions to a certain place. One person will want to have the directions
in writing, in words. One person will want to have a map drawn. One person
will want to chart the route himself or herself. And still another will
feel most comfortable heading off in the general direction of the
destination, and asking someone along the way.
There's nothing wrong with any of these methods; some are better suited to
one person that to another, that's all.
Isn't all art like this? Isn't all art, to some degree, feeling and soul
made visible? By definition, that's different for each person. Good
heavens, if we were all the same, if we all learned the same way, if we all
liked the same thing, what kind of a world would this be?
This sense of mine, I am coming to realize, is why I eschew authority,
question demigods, react in my heart in an antiestablishment manner, and
have for my whole life. Do any of you have this response to the bumper
sticker: Who are *you* to tell me to question authority???
Of course, that's taking this whole line of thinking to an absurd extreme.
All I am attempting to say is that, in the end, we all have to find our own
way, and eventually, we will do that alone, and we will do it by whatever
method works for us, whether it comes recommended or not.
Best,
Carrie
Carrie Jacobson
Pawcatuck, CT
mailto:jacobson@brainiac.com
Bill Williams on tue 14 sep 99
I have only been a serious potter for 3 years or so, but I think that's part
of the fun of being a part of a ceramic arts discussion list. That is to
experiment and exchange ideas and glaze formulas. Most of the recipes that
I try from the list work differently for me then they say they will anyway,
but it is fun to try them. Not being formally trained in the art of glaze
making, I have to depend on the recommendations of the more experienced.
There is nothing wrong with that. I never tell anyone that a glaze recipe
is my own unless it is. Connie
-----Original Message-----
From: carrie or peter jacobson
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 4:33 PM
Subject: trying recipes
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
An awful lot of people have stepped up to the plate to explain what Mel
meant (about how appalled he was at the idea of all these ClayArters
running out and trying glazes from the list.)
While I appreciate ClayArters taking the time and energy to respond, I am
actually more interested in what the posters themselves think about the
question than I am in their suppositions of what Mel thinks.
I have not yet been a potter for two years, though that anniversary is
approaching. So really, I have no business brandishing my opinions as
though they derived from vast experience. They don't.
But I have been around a little bit in life, and I have met all kinds of
people who don't learn the same way I learn. Think about giving and taking
directions to a certain place. One person will want to have the directions
in writing, in words. One person will want to have a map drawn. One person
will want to chart the route himself or herself. And still another will
feel most comfortable heading off in the general direction of the
destination, and asking someone along the way.
There's nothing wrong with any of these methods; some are better suited to
one person that to another, that's all.
Isn't all art like this? Isn't all art, to some degree, feeling and soul
made visible? By definition, that's different for each person. Good
heavens, if we were all the same, if we all learned the same way, if we all
liked the same thing, what kind of a world would this be?
This sense of mine, I am coming to realize, is why I eschew authority,
question demigods, react in my heart in an antiestablishment manner, and
have for my whole life. Do any of you have this response to the bumper
sticker: Who are *you* to tell me to question authority???
Of course, that's taking this whole line of thinking to an absurd extreme.
All I am attempting to say is that, in the end, we all have to find our own
way, and eventually, we will do that alone, and we will do it by whatever
method works for us, whether it comes recommended or not.
Best,
Carrie
Carrie Jacobson
Pawcatuck, CT
mailto:jacobson@brainiac.com
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