elizabeth priddy on sat 20 nov 99
I am reading these posts about gases and
ventilation and I just don't get it.
Are there people who are working in the same
room, the physical room, where their kilns are?
I am not being sarcastic, I would like to know
why anyone would do this as it seems to be the
most irresponsible thing I have heard of potters
doing, and for many more reasons than just gas.
Where is the respect for fire, heat, volatility?
To my thinking, a kiln room is set up with a
fire wall to the rest of the studio and/or
house, and there is little or nothing in there
except finished work ready to go in, a good
solid door with a good seal, and openable
windows for ventilation.
I understand the limitations of space, but this
is not a reasonable risk. You could subdivide
the small space you have with a cinder block
fire wall and wide open windows for the smaller
kiln room and not have to worry about it.
I am not trying to offend anyone, but what
reason could be valid enough to justify the
decision to work in the same room as the kilns?
I used to drive a motorcycle, so I can't
throw too many stones, but this is just nuts...
---
Elizabeth Priddy
personal email: epriddy@usa.net
website: http://www.angelfire.com/nc/clayworkshop
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:55:54 ACTSNYC wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Thonas C. Curran
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: fiber in kilns
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> SNIP the Sleepless in Seatle stuff.
>> One thought was
>> the use of fiberglass insulation - like the commercial pink stuff - for
>> an armature of sorts for clay work. Are there any additives in the
>> stuff which would make this a no no? <
>
>Fiberglass itself is listed as a carcinogen. And its a powerful respiratory
>irritant. OSHA has proposed a 1 fiber/cc limit and ACGIH has set their TLV
>at this same limit.
>
>And the "pink" is usually urea formaldehyde resin which is why so many people
>itch or get a rash when they use it.
>
>Monona Rossol
>ACTS
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>NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
>
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Anji Henderson on sun 21 nov 99
<>
I am not being sarcastic, I would like to know
why anyone would do this as it seems to be the
most irresponsible thing I have heard of potters
doing, and for many more reasons than just gas.>>
Well, my dear not all of us can afford the space...
And some of us are getting by with what we can... I my
self am a basement studio troll... :) I haven't done
any thing with my kiln yet because it will cost 500
bucks to get it hooked up in my basement... Soooooo,
this tells me that it will cost much more to have it
in the barn... And, I am sure that if I did call
someone to estimate putting it in the barn, somehow
someone will notice that an inspection is in order...
I guarantee it will NOT pass..... The first year I
lived here I would look out the bathroom window just
to make sure it hadn't fallen.... I am also sure that
some people don't even connect mentally the danger...
But I am sure that they are not on the list given the
amount of post's on the topic... So I suppose you are
right some are just plain irresponsible, and some just
have to do what they can do.... But, don't worry about
me, I am terrified of this almost historic house that
my great great grandfather built going up...... But,
the barn, well heck, I would be more concerned about
it coming down then going up.. :)
Anji
--- elizabeth priddy wrote:
> ----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> I am reading these posts about gases and
> ventilation and I just don't get it.
>
> Are there people who are working in the same
> room, the physical room, where their kilns are?
>
> I am not being sarcastic, I would like to know
> why anyone would do this as it seems to be the
> most irresponsible thing I have heard of potters
> doing, and for many more reasons than just gas.
>
> Where is the respect for fire, heat, volatility?
>
> To my thinking, a kiln room is set up with a
> fire wall to the rest of the studio and/or
> house, and there is little or nothing in there
> except finished work ready to go in, a good
> solid door with a good seal, and openable
> windows for ventilation.
>
> I understand the limitations of space, but this
> is not a reasonable risk. You could subdivide
> the small space you have with a cinder block
> fire wall and wide open windows for the smaller
> kiln room and not have to worry about it.
>
> I am not trying to offend anyone, but what
> reason could be valid enough to justify the
> decision to work in the same room as the kilns?
>
> I used to drive a motorcycle, so I can't
> throw too many stones, but this is just nuts...
>
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Priddy
>
> personal email: epriddy@usa.net
> website: http://www.angelfire.com/nc/clayworkshop
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:55:54 ACTSNYC wrote:
> >----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Thonas C. Curran
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:11 PM
> >> Subject: Re: fiber in kilns
> >> ----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> >> SNIP the Sleepless in Seatle stuff.
> >> One thought was
> >> the use of fiberglass insulation - like the
> commercial pink stuff - for
> >> an armature of sorts for clay work. Are there
> any additives in the
> >> stuff which would make this a no no? <
> >
> >Fiberglass itself is listed as a carcinogen. And
> its a powerful respiratory
> >irritant. OSHA has proposed a 1 fiber/cc limit and
> ACGIH has set their TLV
> >at this same limit.
> >
> >And the "pink" is usually urea formaldehyde resin
> which is why so many people
> >itch or get a rash when they use it.
> >
> >Monona Rossol
> >ACTS
> >181 Thompson St., # 23
> >NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
> >
> >ACTSNYC@cs.com
> >
>
>
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Gary & Carla Goldberg on sun 21 nov 99
Elizabeth - I have my entire "studio" in one room of my house. I have
an Orton KilnVent attached to my electric kiln, which means the lid and
peepholes are always shut during firing and cool down. The vent sucks
out an fumes, etc. and helps improve cooling.
There isn't a greater safety concern for a kiln than any other
electrical appliance, wood stove, etc. The kiln is placed far enough
away from the wall (made from sheet rock). My kiln came with
manufacture's instructions on how far away from the wall it should be.
Just for my own concern, I also tiled the wall behind the kiln for added
"fire protection."
Yes, I work in the room while things are firing. Call me dumb, but I
don't see what the big deal is.
I live in Alaska and up here all houses use sheet rock for walls. In
case you don't know, sheet rock does not catch fire as quickly as wood.
In fact, a thicker sheet rock is installed between the garage and the
rest of the house to try and contain a fire within the garage in case a
fire is started there from a gas furnace. Of course anything will burn
if the fire is hot enough.
Carla in Alaska, praying for more snow.
elizabeth priddy wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am reading these posts about gases and
> ventilation and I just don't get it.
>
> Are there people who are working in the same
> room, the physical room, where their kilns are?
>
> I am not being sarcastic, I would like to know
> why anyone would do this as it seems to be the
> most irresponsible thing I have heard of potters
> doing, and for many more reasons than just gas.
>
> Where is the respect for fire, heat, volatility?
>
> To my thinking, a kiln room is set up with a
> fire wall to the rest of the studio and/or
> house, and there is little or nothing in there
> except finished work ready to go in, a good
> solid door with a good seal, and openable
> windows for ventilation.
>
> I understand the limitations of space, but this
> is not a reasonable risk. You could subdivide
> the small space you have with a cinder block
> fire wall and wide open windows for the smaller
> kiln room and not have to worry about it.
>
> I am not trying to offend anyone, but what
> reason could be valid enough to justify the
> decision to work in the same room as the kilns?
>---
> Elizabeth Priddy
>
Russel Fouts, \"Mes Potes et Mes Pots\" on mon 22 nov 99
>> I am not being sarcastic, I would like to know why anyone would do this
as it seems to be the
most irresponsible thing I have heard of potters doing, and for many more
reasons than just gas.>>
Properly vented and with the heat prepared for, you could put the kiln
anywhere you want. I have an envirovent that works really well and the walls
and ceiling in my cellar studio are concrete and brick.
Russel
Russel Fouts
Mes Potes & Mes Pots
Brussels, Belgium
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Carol Jackaway on mon 22 nov 99
I have my studio in the basement of my home with my kiln in it also. I am
very aware of the gases that "leak" from my firing friend. That is why we
use things called vents. Open windows. Some of us use what we have and are
smart enough to work with and around other problems.
Carol Jackaway
Parkside Pa.
the Gallaghers on mon 22 nov 99
We are trying to kill ourselves I guess, a slow death, the kind that creeps
up on you......
Well, I do indeed worry about this and the fact that my electric kiln is in
my daylight basement, as I have no out building or other alternative space,
so such as it is. I have the envirovent by orton, still get fumes, so when
can I fire the thing off without anyone around but the cats, who don't have
the sense to leave the area? I'm thinking a smoke alarm near-by that runs
to my bedroom so I can fire at night and sleep two floors up and away is the
best I can arrange for. I will be getting an exhaust fan for the whole
basement soon, this should help. With insulated sheet rock walls the space
is pretty tight. I actually don't work in the area while firing myself, but
I do check on the progress frequently. (holding my breath, of course) ; )
Any further on-site recomendations appreciated, but taking it elsewhere is
not an option.
Michelle
In Oregon
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