Chris Schafale on mon 22 nov 99
Has anyone used the lamp liner from Axner? The stuff I got from
them is very thick, and it seems to be taking forever to dry inside
my lamps (so far about a week and still wet in the bottom). I
discovered this to my embarrassment when I took some lamps to a show
this weekend, pulled out a wick and found it soaking wet with lamp
liner. oops.
(Then there was the one in which I apparently forgot to pour the
liner out at all, and a customer picked up the lamp and turned it
over to look for a price, dumping lamp liner all over their hand, the
tablecloths, etc. but that's another story. I guess I was a
little tired when I was lining those lamps.....)
Any hints about using this product, ideas about getting it to pour
out more thoroughly or dry more quickly? It comes with no
instructions whatsoever. Thanks.
Chris
Light One Candle Pottery
Fuquay-Varina, NC
candle@intrex.net
Cindy Strnad on tue 23 nov 99
Chris,
I got some quite a while ago from Aftosa, and if I remember, mine said to
thin with water as necessary. It's been a long time, though, and I ended up
giving it away because I wasn't making very many lamps and they didn't leak
anyhow. In other words, experiment with a small amount first. Also, you
might try phoning/e-mailing Axner. I expect they'll be able to answer your
questions.
As an aside, I've learned that it's always a good idea to test any new
product/process before offering it to the public. Saves much embarrassment.
Actually, this point is likely even more important than the hammer so many
of us are so fond of.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
Custer, SD
Cindy Strnad on tue 23 nov 99
Chris,
Again on the lamp liner--I just thought of something. You're not using it
over glaze, are you? It must be used on an unglazed surface unless it's way
different from the product I've seen.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
Custer, SD
Jonathan Kaplan on tue 23 nov 99
Having made far too many oil candles, oil lamps, and related oil/liquid
parafin buring pottery items, I think its necessary to interject spomething
here.
Why waste time and money on a polymer type sealer/emulsion to go over the
glaze? ANd that may not really work? The solution is to
use/develop/find/beg/borrow/steal a glossy well compounded liner glaze that
is impervious to attack or solvent penetration. There are many glazes of
this type around, It means of course that you need to have a 2 step glaze
process...interior glaze and then exterior one, and also have a way to make
sure that the interior is completely glazed.
BTW, stay away from "lamp oil" type of fuel. The best that we have found is
Liquid Parafin from Lamplighter Farms.
Jonathan
Jonathan Kaplan
Ceramic Design Group LTd/Production Services
PO Box 775112
Steamboat Springs, CO 80477
(970) 879-9139 voice and fax
http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesign
UPS: 1280 13th St. Unit13
Steamboat Springs, CO 80487
Cindy Strnad on wed 24 nov 99
Hi, Jonathan.
Nice to hear from you. Actually, this wasn't my question, originally. But I
am kind of curious anyway. I've never had a problem with oil lamps leaking
no matter which glaze I've used on them. And I have them sitting all over my
house, full of oil. Some of them have been there upwards of four years. I
figured it must be the clay body that keeps them from leaking. I know *all*
those glazes can't be perfect. Those on the oldest pieces are commercial
glazes which I know craze. That's one reason I stopped using them. What do
you think?
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
Custer, SD
Catherine Jarosz on thu 25 nov 99
I've got a great liner glaze thats real hard for anyone using stoneware
cone 10 ... its a real hard glaze perfect for oil lamps ... toilet bowl
white though but I'm sure if you left out the super pax or zirco pax all
or part it wouldnt be so harsh... I may have been under the impression
that the axner lamp liner was more used for earthenware temp clay bodies
that arent as vitreous as a stoneware body but hey I'll leave that for
the experts to explain ... to be on the safe side when I glaze the
outside of the lamp I make sure I have a foot rim and that its glazed
underneath also... just extra precaution but not sure if its a must ...
LEACH WHITE CONE 9-10
EPK...............100
WHITING......200
FLINT...........300
G-200...........400
BENTONITE..20
SUPERPAX ..100
Hope this is helpful to at least one person out there in cyber world
:o) the lurker catski :o) trying to contribute in some small way ....
Carolynn Palmer on thu 25 nov 99
I have been following this thread with real trepidation - just having bought
some Axner lamp liner myself and am going to use it this week. I never had
any problems with lamps leaking until I changed clay bodies - now the same
glazes that didn't leak previously are leaking all over the place!
This lamp liner looks so thick and gooey - but I guess I can thin it with
water. I plan to put it in the unglazed interior of my lamps. Guess I will
have to just experiment as no one else seems familiar with this product.
Will let everyone know how it went next week.
Carolynn Palmer, Somerset Center, Michigan
Earl Brunner on fri 26 nov 99
I too don't worry as much about the glaze as I do about the body. I have
vitreous porcelain lamps that are more than 20 years old that have yet to show a
sign of leaking.
Cindy Strnad wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi, Jonathan.
>
> Nice to hear from you. Actually, this wasn't my question, originally. But I
> am kind of curious anyway. I've never had a problem with oil lamps leaking
> no matter which glaze I've used on them. And I have them sitting all over my
> house, full of oil. Some of them have been there upwards of four years. I
> figured it must be the clay body that keeps them from leaking. I know *all*
> those glazes can't be perfect. Those on the oldest pieces are commercial
> glazes which I know craze. That's one reason I stopped using them. What do
> you think?
>
> Cindy Strnad
> Earthen Vessels Pottery
> Custer, SD
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
Paul Stubbs on sat 27 nov 99
In message <0.cc21deed.256dc578@aol.com>, Carolynn Palmer
writes
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I have been following this thread with real trepidation - just having bought
>some Axner lamp liner myself and am going to use it this week. I never had
>any problems with lamps leaking until I changed clay bodies - now the same
>glazes that didn't leak previously are leaking all over the place!
>
>This lamp liner looks so thick and gooey - but I guess I can thin it with
>water. I plan to put it in the unglazed interior of my lamps. Guess I will
>have to just experiment as no one else seems familiar with this product.
>
>Will let everyone know how it went next week.
>
>Carolynn Palmer, Somerset Center, Michigan
Hello Carolynn from Somerset in the UK. I used to make a paraffin oil
lamp (Stubby Lamp) and ran into the same problems you describe. The
very open Leach body crazed with every type of glaze used on it. The
solution was to use a mix of 50% polyurethane varnish and 50% white
spirit. In my case this ceased to be a problem when I switched to a
"tighter" body that fully vitrified, and did not need any liner glaze of
any description. Good luck
--
Paul Stubbs
The Brinks on sat 27 nov 99
Catherine: Your glaze (below) is very similar to what I use a lot . When
I got the recipe it was
presented as a basic cone 8 glaze called Leach's 4-3-2-1 glaze, in
reference to the 4 main ingredients. I have always measured it by volume,
and it comes out fine. I use about half as much Superpax as you do, also
add the same amount of Gerstley Borate, because I fire between ^7 and 8. I
do find it likes a 30 minute soak at the top.
I need to mix up some more; do you measure this one by weight or "parts"?
What I really appreciate about this glaze, is it never crawls, with normal
care in technique. I am thinking of adding just a little rutile or y.
ochre to give this next batch a creamy tone. As you say, it is really white.
Ann Brink in CA, feeling happy, and full of TG dinner.
At 10:32 AM 11/25/99 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I've got a great liner glaze thats real hard for anyone using stoneware
>cone 10 ... its a real hard glaze perfect for oil lamps ... toilet bowl
>white though but I'm sure if you left out the super pax or zirco pax all
>or part it wouldnt be so harsh... I may have been under the impression
>that the axner lamp liner was more used for earthenware temp clay bodies
>that arent as vitreous as a stoneware body but hey I'll leave that for
>the experts to explain ... to be on the safe side when I glaze the
>outside of the lamp I make sure I have a foot rim and that its glazed
>underneath also... just extra precaution but not sure if its a must ...
>
> LEACH WHITE CONE 9-10
> EPK...............100
> WHITING......200
> FLINT...........300
> G-200...........400
> BENTONITE..20
> SUPERPAX ..100
>
> Hope this is helpful to at least one person out there in cyber world
>:o) the lurker catski :o) trying to contribute in some small way ....
>
>
e-mail billann@impulse.net
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