Percy Toms on tue 23 nov 99
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Hi Ray,
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=3E At 04:40 PM 11/21/99 EST, someone wrote this to Elizabeth....
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=3E =3Eplace I breathe. There are times that your kiln
=3E =3Ewill outgas chemicals that can knock you
=3E =3Eunconscious BEFORE your nose tells you to get
=3E =3Eout.
=3E =3Csnip=3E
Ray, there=92s a misunderstanding here. The quote above is not from someone =
who
wrote to Elizabeth, as you assume, but is her own. I requoted her post prior
to my own remarks.
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=3E What? When did this ever happen to anyone in a non-industrial setting?
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If the Ceramic Review article that I read is to be believed, it happened, =
and
in a non industrial setting. There was an inquest and the findings would be
on official record. Clayarters who have subscribed to CR for ten years or so
may remember and locate the report in one of their back issues. (Hint, =
hint=21)
Had I access to a stack, I'd search from 1988 to 1995.
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=3EThe most valuable asset of those who preach
=3E safety to the rest of us is credibility, and credibility is badly =
damaged
=3E by exaggerated scare stories. =3Csnip=3E
No exaggeration here. I not only read but photocopied the said article and
posted it in the potters=92 co-op I worked at two years ago.
As this report obviously needs to be substantiated to be taken seriously, I
am contacting editors at Ceramic Review asking if they can trace it to a
specific issue. Any answer will be posted.
..be safe but not too safe=21
Ned
Ray Aldridge on wed 24 nov 99
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At 03:54 AM 11/23/99 EST, you wrote:
=3ERay, there=92s a misunderstanding here. The quote above is not from =
someone who
=3Ewrote to Elizabeth, as you assume, but is her own.
Oops=21 I thought I was responding to someone who was arguing with
Elizabeth, whom I like and respect. If I'd realized it was her, I'd have
taken a less sarcastic approach. That doesn't speak very well for me, does
it?
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=3E=3E =3Eplace I breathe. There are times that your kiln
=3E=3E =3Ewill outgas chemicals that can knock you
=3E=3E =3Eunconscious BEFORE your nose tells you to get
=3E=3E =3Eout.
=3E=3E =3Csnip=3E
=3E
=3E=3E What? When did this ever happen to anyone in a non-industrial =
setting?
=3E=3Csnip=3E
=3E
=3EIf the Ceramic Review article that I read is to be believed, it happened,
and
=3Ein a non industrial setting.
I believe you, and I stand corrected-- although in my defense, I mentioned
that this might be possible.
But in spite of my embarassment at having been proven wrong in so tragic a
manner, I'll persist in my folly, to this extent: The original post was
not limited to the possibility of a fuel burner producing CO. Had that
been the case, I'd have agreed that this was a realistic possibility-- and
as I mentioned, a reasonable precaution would be to have a CO alarm in the
kiln room. But as the original statement is written, a less-experienced
person might actually think that the little hobby electric kiln they have
out in the garage posed a real danger that a person working in the garage
might be felled =22BEFORE your nose tells you to get out.=22
I think this is an unrealistic warning. It's possible that a person could
put something in such a kiln that would be potentially fatal to breathe,
but I can't think of anything like that that would be odorless-- as CO is.
Maybe Monona will straighten me out.
I certainly shouldn't have made light of the possibility of CO posioning in
a kiln room, and I'm glad you corrected me.
Ray
Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
http://www.goodpots.com
James Roche on mon 29 nov 99
Hello Ray,
At 10:58 28/11/99 EST, Ray Aldridge wrote:
>Good suggestion. We have one of the continuous monitors in the
hallway next to the closet that holds our gas furnace, and it's
a source of reassurance to look at the readout and see "0" in
big red letters.
Going back to the Draeger tube thread, a list member asked me
for info, which I replied to by email not back to this list.
It occurred to me that list members may wish to make an initial
test of the kiln equipment with Draeger prior to purchasing
expensive continuous monitoring equipment or as an ad hoc
addition if they already have monitoring equipment installed.
Cross-checking gas levels on two separate systems will ensure
peace of mind. Sometimes equipment does fail.
Here's a few refs for Draeger Tubes -
US Links:
The Draeger Company -
Section on specifically on long term tubes -
Section on tubes and the accuro pump -
UK Links:
CO test kit -
Various testing methods including Draeger -
James
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