Sear'nDipPotter on wed 24 nov 99
At 12:44 PM 11/23/99 -0500, RR wrote:
>It would be even better if you would let me do this with some frit 3134 -
>then it would be much better.
Could someone please tell me what the resistance is to using frits ? I know
that some prefer macaloid etc, but as a new potter, I don't understand why.
thanks,
Naralon
Dave Finkelnburg on thu 25 nov 99
With profuse apologies to Ron Roy, possibly the finest gentleman on this
list::
Gee whiz guys, give me a break, will you? :-) Just because I use
Gerstley borate in a recipe doesn't mean I am anti-frit. I have a big bag
of 3134 in my glaze-mix room and I use it. Frit's are OK, OK?
For what it's worth, Naralon, 3134 contains less than half as much
boron/pound as Gerstley borate, and costs me more than twice as much. That
makes boron from 3134 about 5 times as expensive for me as if I use Gerstley
borate. That's far from the only cost consideration in making functional
pottery for sure. It is something to consider.
Dave Finkelnburg, sincerely grateful for Ron's glaze assistance
-----Original Message-----
From: Sear'nDipPotter
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:04 AM
Subject: Frits
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At 12:44 PM 11/23/99 -0500, RR wrote:
>It would be even better if you would let me do this with some frit 3134 -
>then it would be much better.
Could someone please tell me what the resistance is to using frits ? I know
that some prefer macaloid etc, but as a new potter, I don't understand why.
thanks,
Naralon
Ron Roy on fri 26 nov 99
Macaloid is a suspender - like bentonite - not a melter like frit.
This remark by me is because the original glaze has a lot of Gerstley
Borate in it - which - aside from being one of our most variable materials
- can lead to flocculation and crawling problems in a glaze. Frits are much
more reliable and are not nearly the problem GB is in a glaze.
RR
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>At 12:44 PM 11/23/99 -0500, RR wrote:
>>It would be even better if you would let me do this with some frit 3134 -
>>then it would be much better.
>
>Could someone please tell me what the resistance is to using frits ? I know
>that some prefer macaloid etc, but as a new potter, I don't understand why.
>thanks,
>Naralon
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jay s. gertz on fri 19 oct 01
Hi,
I wanted to try a make a batch of Lana Wilson's aqua glaze and the only
two frits listed in her recipe are Pemco 626 or Ferro 3289, both leaded
frits. Our local distributor does not carry leaded materials, is there
an alternative that I might use? Thanks,
jay
Paul Lewing on mon 22 oct 01
on 10/19/01 12:51 PM, jay s. gertz at jgertz@BULLDOG.UNCA.EDU wrote:
> I wanted to try a make a batch of Lana Wilson's aqua glaze and the only
> two frits listed in her recipe are Pemco 626 or Ferro 3289, both leaded
> frits. Our local distributor does not carry leaded materials, is there
> an alternative that I might use? Thanks,
>
> jay
Jay, frit 3289 is a barium frit, not a lead frit. All the ferro lead frits
have numbers that start with 33.
Paul Lewing, Seattle
Connie Waring on mon 13 may 02
I found a couple of glaze recipes that
call for just "high alkaline frit" or
"high borax frit" and I need to figure out
what ferro frit is the equivalent, since
that's the kind our local ceramics store
carries...
From looking in the archives it looks like
ferro 3124 will work for the high borax frit,
but for the high alkaline frit, would
ferro 3110 be appropriate?
thanks alot,
Connie
=============================================
Connie Waring
connie@karattopp.com
Houston, TX
William Hendry on mon 13 may 02
Check this out: http://www.digitalfire.com/material/m-0131f1.htm
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Connie Waring"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: frits
> I found a couple of glaze recipes that
> call for just "high alkaline frit" or
> "high borax frit" and I need to figure out
> what ferro frit is the equivalent, since
> that's the kind our local ceramics store
> carries...
>
> >From looking in the archives it looks like
> ferro 3124 will work for the high borax frit,
> but for the high alkaline frit, would
> ferro 3110 be appropriate?
>
> thanks alot,
>
> Connie
>
>
>
> =============================================
> Connie Waring
> connie@karattopp.com
> Houston, TX
>
>
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Lawrence Ewing on tue 14 may 02
Hi William,
Did you have a reason for pointing me to this information?
Cheers,
Lawrence
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From: "William Hendry"
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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: frits
> Check this out: http://www.digitalfire.com/material/m-0131f1.htm
>
> William
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Connie Waring"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:23 PM
> Subject: frits
>
>
> > I found a couple of glaze recipes that
> > call for just "high alkaline frit" or
> > "high borax frit" and I need to figure out
> > what ferro frit is the equivalent, since
> > that's the kind our local ceramics store
> > carries...
> >
> > >From looking in the archives it looks like
> > ferro 3124 will work for the high borax frit,
> > but for the high alkaline frit, would
> > ferro 3110 be appropriate?
> >
> > thanks alot,
> >
> > Connie
> >
> >
> >
> > =============================================
> > Connie Waring
> > connie@karattopp.com
> > Houston, TX
> >
> >
>
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Ababi on tue 14 may 02
Was not it in a raku recipes collection ?
In this case you should go to frit 3134. Frit 3124 has too much alumina
you will have to fire too long
You can try a combination of both.
Ababi
---------- Original Message ----------
>I found a couple of glaze recipes that
>call for just "high alkaline frit" or
>"high borax frit" and I need to figure out
>what ferro frit is the equivalent, since
>that's the kind our local ceramics store
>carries...
>From looking in the archives it looks like
>ferro 3124 will work for the high borax frit,
>but for the high alkaline frit, would
>ferro 3110 be appropriate?
>thanks alot,
>Connie
>=============================================
>Connie Waring
>connie@karattopp.com
>Houston, TX
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marianne kuiper milks on sun 15 may 05
Hello.
Thank you (various people) for the information re.
kiln/safety etc. Will respond to the rest later.
Trying to make / test some recipes, I've run into the
problem of not (yet) knowing which chemicals are "the
same" or substitutable or major errors. I've looked
extensively on the internet/Clayart library, but have
yet to find the right information on frits.
Some can be substituted, as I found, but when it just
says "frit", where do I go??? (I only have frit 3134)
I realize that I can look up the chemical analyses,
but when they differ I do not know a good differ from
a bad differ. (my chesmistry became rusty about 35
years ago).
Is there a list (and of others, such as feldspars)
somewhere? I'll get there eventually, but for now I
can't do a thing with it.. Are other chemicals
considered frits?
Thanks for help! Marianne
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Steve Slatin on sun 15 may 05
Marianne --
There are hundreds and hundreds of good glaze recipes
in circulation. If you aren't satisfied with ones
that actually tell you what to use (and no, all frits
are not created equal) that are posted here, get
yourself a good book of glaze recipes. Ones I would
recommend are Val Cushing's handbook (you have to mail
his wife a check, but she sends the handbook back
really quickly and there's mountains of good info in
it), Chappell's Clay and Glazes, and if you fire cone
6 oxidation Bailey's Glazes Cone 6.
If you want to learn how glazes work and get insight
into how good, reliable glazes are made, and you're
starting out with cone 6 oxidation I'd consider
Mastering Cone 6 Glazes an essential book. You don't
get that many actual recipes here, but the ones in the
book are good sturdy bases, and when you know what
you're doing you can experiment with them.
Other people may have other ideas -- but if you're
just trying to mix up a glaze and follow a recipe and
the recipe calls for unidentified 'frit' or 'spar' or
the like, I'd strongly advise you not to mess with it.
The likelihood of disappointment is far too high
compared to the probability of satisfaction.
Best wishes -- Steve Slatin
--- marianne kuiper milks
wrote:
> Hello.
> Thank you (various people) for the information re.
> kiln/safety etc. Will respond to the rest later.
> Trying to make / test some recipes, I've run into
> the
> problem of not (yet) knowing which chemicals are
> "the
> same" or substitutable or major errors. I've looked
> extensively on the internet/Clayart library, but
> have
> yet to find the right information on frits.
> Some can be substituted, as I found, but when it
> just
> says "frit", where do I go??? (I only have frit
> 3134)
> I realize that I can look up the chemical analyses,
> but when they differ I do not know a good differ
> from
> a bad differ. (my chesmistry became rusty about 35
> years ago).
> Is there a list (and of others, such as feldspars)
> somewhere? I'll get there eventually, but for now I
> can't do a thing with it.. Are other chemicals
> considered frits?
> Thanks for help! Marianne
>
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