Llewellyn Kouba on fri 3 dec 99
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I have a client who requests a stoneware fountain. I have never tackled =
this
one before. The projected bowl design has a hole in the bottom for the =
inlet of
water to be recirculated again somewhere above the bowl. I am very curious
about getting the pipe or tubing to be water tight. I am sure many of you =
have
fountain experiences and hopefully ones that 'gushed' above the bowl and not
through the bottom. Any pit falls I should be aware of? How does one =
calculate
the clay shrinkage involved and will the works seat tight enough to be water
tight? (clay /metal pipe). Also where is the best place ( catalog source) =
to
purchase simple recycling pumps for this type of work. Years ago on the =
farm we
did a large lily pond and had a circulating pump but this was all on a much
larger scale.
Thank you
Llewellyn Kouba
the Gallaghers on sat 4 dec 99
I've got another question: Does anyone know of a re-circulating fountain
design based on gravity and not on electricity?? It would be really fine to
make a fountain a that does not require an electrical setup and wires for
installation, just maybe a pump, and suction to get it going now and then.
Michelle
In Oregon
Tom Wirt on sat 4 dec 99
Llewellyn
For a few pumps, go to http://www.petwhse.com.
They have the Aqua Pump 1 (best one we've found for a variety of reasons)
for about $11.00 US plus shipping.
Sealing is done with aquarium cement, a silicon sealer, available at any pet
store that sells aquariums.
You'll have to cut the cord, and this can be repaired by inserting a line
switch (any hardware store) and soldering the wire that is continuous
through the switch.
Also go to the archives and search for fountains. Lots of good posts over
the last couple of years.
Tom Wirt
Cindy Strnad on sat 4 dec 99
Llewellyn,
I, too, am interested in getting into fountain making, so I'll be watching
your thread closely. I know fountain pumps are available from Aftosa pottery
supply and many other ceramic supply companies. You may also find them in
hobby and garden stores if you live in a populous area.
I recently made a drink holder with a brass spigot. It has rubber gaskets
inside and out, but no matter how tight I got the bolts, it still wanted to
leak. Clear silicon caulking (from the hardware store) did the trick,
sealing it up perfectly.
Hope this helps,
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
Custer, SD
Gavin Stairs on sun 5 dec 99
At 10:39 AM 04/12/99 , you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I've got another question: Does anyone know of a re-circulating fountain
>design based on gravity and not on electricity?? It would be really fine to
>make a fountain a that does not require an electrical setup and wires for
>installation, just maybe a pump, and suction to get it going now and then.
>
>Michelle
>In Oregon
Dear Michelle,
I'm sorry to have to tell you that you are asking for a variant of the
fabulous perpetual motion machine. Fabulous, because it doesn't
exist. For it to work, it would have to produce energy from nothing, which
doesn't happen. The famous second law of thermodynamics describes this
situation, so we say that it's against the second law. But it doesn't work
because Mother Nature just isn't built that way. Sorry. You need a pump
to get the water back up, so it can flow down again. Or, get your water
from a natural reservoir that is higher up, like a river or a lake that is
replenished by the hydrological cycle (powered by the sun). Or get it from
a large reservoir that is periodically filled, like a rain barrel, or a
large bucket. Perhaps that's what you mean by getting the suction going
now and then. If you mean by a syphon, that is still just a way of moving
water from a high reservoir to a low reservoir, so it will still need to be
refilled when the high reservoir runs low. Without a pump, sooner or later
it all stops.
Gavin
Llewellyn Kouba on sun 5 dec 99
Dear Cindy,
Yes, I want to do some kind of bowl form with sculptural elements around it.
I have noticed a few pumps in Aftosa and another hobby catalog I have here
but I need to get a current copy as it is outdated. I think the kind of
pump I am looking for would be a non-submersible also as I don't want to
spoil the look of the inside by having the pump mechanism show. Also I have
found the glue E6000 to be very good for the ceramist. It is clear and maybe
a bit more expensive than some brands but you can glue anything ceramic as
hard as nails and bonds forever.
Llewellyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Strnad
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Making fountains for the clay artist
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Llewellyn,
>
>I, too, am interested in getting into fountain making, so I'll be watching
>your thread closely. I know fountain pumps are available from Aftosa
pottery
>supply and many other ceramic supply companies. You may also find them in
>hobby and garden stores if you live in a populous area.
>
>I recently made a drink holder with a brass spigot. It has rubber gaskets
>inside and out, but no matter how tight I got the bolts, it still wanted to
>leak. Clear silicon caulking (from the hardware store) did the trick,
>sealing it up perfectly.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Cindy Strnad
>Earthen Vessels Pottery
>Custer, SD
Ronnie Beer on sun 5 dec 99
In a message dated 12/4/99 9:50:38 AM Central Standard Time,
earthenv@gwtc.net writes:
<< I recently made a drink holder with a brass spigot. It has rubber gaskets
inside and out, but no matter how tight I got the bolts, it still wanted to
leak. Clear silicon caulking (from the hardware store) did the trick,
sealing it up perfectly. >>
Thanks so much for that hint, Cindy. I have one sitting quite decoratively
on my kitchen counter right now. I'll be off to Home Depot shortly to get
that caulking. I'm excited.
I too, have attempted fountains, but have only made a few bowls filled with
rocks with water coming up in the middle. I bought some of the inexpensive
pumps from Aftosa, but haven't quite figured out how to do anything else with
all the stuff that comes with them. So, I too will be watching and hoping
for some tips.
Thanks.
Ronnie
Mike Gordon on mon 6 dec 99
Hi,
In M.C. Escher's book "The World of M.C. Escher" on page 253 you will
see a litho titled "Waterfall" I think this is the plans you are looking
for. Mike
Cindy Strnad on mon 6 dec 99
Hello, Llewellyn,
Yes, I have the E 6000, and did try it first to seal my spigot, but it
didn't work, so I had to scrape it all off and start over. Besides which,
for a drink holder, I think silicon might be safer. The water shouldn't come
in much contact with the glue, but still . . . At any rate, that wouldn't
matter with a fountain. Let me know how it comes out, okay?
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
Custer, SD
Bonnie Staffel on tue 7 dec 99
Dec. 6, 1999
Ronnie Beer et al
Please notice this word of warning for the potters who are using silicon
for sealing jug spigots for food or water - be sure to buy the silicon
seal that is for FISH TANKS. The other stuff has arsenic in its formula
and is not for food containers.
Bonnie Staffel
Llewellyn Kouba on wed 8 dec 99
Dear cindy,
Hi, my email has been down for several days so I have a lot of mail to go
through. Did y ou see the post about silicon. Someone said you MUST use the
silicon from the aquarium stores as the other on the market has arsenic or
something in and is not food safe. That would make sense as the poisonous
type would also kill fish so if you use any kind of silicon near food stuffs
it should be the aquarium brands. Make sense I guess.
Llewellyn/ I'll have to let you know when I get the fountain ordered and the
ceramic piece made. Right now I am knee deep in porcelains.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Strnad
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Making fountains for the clay artist
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello, Llewellyn,
>
>Yes, I have the E 6000, and did try it first to seal my spigot, but it
>didn't work, so I had to scrape it all off and start over. Besides which,
>for a drink holder, I think silicon might be safer. The water shouldn't
come
>in much contact with the glue, but still . . . At any rate, that wouldn't
>matter with a fountain. Let me know how it comes out, okay?
>
>Cindy Strnad
>Earthen Vessels Pottery
>Custer, SD
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