Elke Blodgett on sat 18 dec 99
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:17:00 EST
> From: CINDI ANDERSON
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Art News Article
> Resent-Subject: Re: Art News Article
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Sorry I haven't seen the article, but it's lousy if they published it
> and you didn't want it published. <
Thanks for your concern, but its no big deal. I just wish they'd send me a
copy so when the calls come in I'd know what they are talking about. It's
embarrassing that I forget.
Crafts Report reviewed mentioned one of my book this month, too. Busy busy.
> I do have a question I hope you can answer. I read and take to heart
> all the safety concerns you and other express. I worry when I walk into
> college studios and feel like I can hardly breathe. I didn't take that
> particular class for that reason, even though it's only 3 hours a week.
> My own studio is a room in my house, but the kiln is in the garage and I
> vent outside with an envirovent. I'm really trying to understand about
> the small clay particle sizes and the damage they can do to your lungs.
> If I am only throwing a bag a week or less, is this really a problem for
> me? Or is it more for people doing production work or exposed over many
> years? <
In terms of diseases like silicosis, working that little poses little threat.
But if the problem is allergy to the sulfur dioxide in the kiln emissions or
the molds that piggyback on the clay, that's different. People who are
allergic to something can be triggered by very small amounts. And repeated
exposures and make the allergy worse.
I also worry a bit when you say you feel like you can't breathe. People who
have asthma make noises: they wheeze and it is obvious that they have asthma.
But another lung disease called "alveolitis" doesn't make any sounds and it
is just as devastating. The person just feels like they can't breathe.
I'd make very sure to keep your doctor aware of the problem. Alveolitis
often requires pulmonary function testing at the time of an attack to make
the diagnosis clear.
> Everything I see is like black and white, and it's hard for me
> to sort out given that there are so many classroom situations and books
> that don't even address it. If you were exposed to this dust for 4
> hours a week, would you worry? 10?
It depends on the amount of dust that is airborne and whether the dust causes
allergies or not. Really heavy silica exposure for even two weeks has
resulted in death from acute silicosis within a year or two after the single
period of exposure. But it really takes a lot of dust. There were some
fairly recent deaths like this among people who were sandblasting ceramic
electrical parts.
But lesser amounts of dust can be tolerated very well. We all get exposed to
a small amount of silica, kaolin, and other inert minerals just on the dusty
roads of life. And every particle that gets down in our alveoli we carry for
life. Its one of the reasons that people lose lung capacity with age.
This small amount of debris in the lung is fairly well tolerated. I never
suggest adding more if it can be helped. But if the school looks fairly
clean and the dust is not in obvious clouds, the amounts are probably quite
small.
Again, let me stress. This is if we are only concerned about mineral dust
exposure. If the problem you are having is an allergic reaction to sulfur
dioxide or some other allergen in the pottery, it is another matter.
> Thanks for any insight you can give. I have a new ceramics supply store
> opening and I'm selling safety equipment, but I would also like to have
> a better understanding of this for my customers. In other words, if I
> push for them to get $3000 worth of equipment, maybe they won't spend
> any and I've done them a disservice over at least urging them to get the
> minimum.
What kind of safety equipment? As far as I'm concerned, no amount of safety
equipment will make a home studio safe, especially if there are children in
the house. The air is shared with the studio and dusts will get tracked into
living spaces.
A studio away from the house is really easy to make safe. It only needs kiln
ventilation, a lot of good personal hygiene (to make sure dusts are not taken
home on clothes, shoes, etc.), and daily wet mopping. Only if they do things
like mixing glazes or clays from dry powders, sanding, spraying glazes, or
some such, will they need also a spray booth or special exhaust system. And
of course, the glazes can't be lead glazes.
Hope this helps.
Monona Rossol
ACTS
181 Thompson St., # 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-062
ACTSNYC@cs.com
Edouard Bastarache on sun 19 dec 99
------------------
Hello all,
i received this week from France =22Les maladies respiratoires
d'origine professionnelle=22, published this year by Masson in Paris and
in the chapter on =22extrinsec allergic alveolotis=22 there is no such thing
as this disease being related to exposure to clay or other ceramic raw
materials even if exotic alveolitis such as vineyard workers'disease
(Botrytis cenerea) and paprika workers'lung disease(Mucor stolonifa)
are mentionned. 51 different types of alveolitis are described.
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
edouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/=7Eedouardb/
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Elke Blodgett =3Ceiblodge=40freenet.edmonton.ab.ca=3E
=C0 : CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
Date : 18 d=E9cembre, 1999 20:00
Objet : Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:17:00 EST
=3E From: CINDI ANDERSON =3Ccindi=40home.net=3E
=3E Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU
=3E Subject: Re: Art News Article
=3E Resent-Subject: Re: Art News Article
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E Sorry I haven't seen the article, but it's lousy if they published it
=3E and you didn't want it published. =3C
Thanks for your concern, but its no big deal. I just wish they'd send me a
copy so when the calls come in I'd know what they are talking about. It's
embarrassing that I forget.
Crafts Report reviewed mentioned one of my book this month, too. Busy busy.
=3E I do have a question I hope you can answer. I read and take to heart
=3E all the safety concerns you and other express. I worry when I walk =
into
=3E college studios and feel like I can hardly breathe. I didn't take that
=3E particular class for that reason, even though it's only 3 hours a week.
=3E My own studio is a room in my house, but the kiln is in the garage and =
I
=3E vent outside with an envirovent. I'm really trying to understand about
=3E the small clay particle sizes and the damage they can do to your lungs.
=3E If I am only throwing a bag a week or less, is this really a problem =
for
=3E me? Or is it more for people doing production work or exposed over =
many
=3E years? =3C
In terms of diseases like silicosis, working that little poses little
threat.
But if the problem is allergy to the sulfur dioxide in the kiln emissions or
the molds that piggyback on the clay, that's different. People who are
allergic to something can be triggered by very small amounts. And repeated
exposures and make the allergy worse.
I also worry a bit when you say you feel like you can't breathe. People who
have asthma make noises: they wheeze and it is obvious that they have
asthma.
But another lung disease called =22alveolitis=22 doesn't make any sounds and=
it
is just as devastating. The person just feels like they can't breathe.
I'd make very sure to keep your doctor aware of the problem. Alveolitis
often requires pulmonary function testing at the time of an attack to make
the diagnosis clear.
=3E Everything I see is like black and white, and it's hard for me
=3E to sort out given that there are so many classroom situations and books
=3E that don't even address it. If you were exposed to this dust for 4
=3E hours a week, would you worry? 10?
It depends on the amount of dust that is airborne and whether the dust
causes
allergies or not. Really heavy silica exposure for even two weeks has
resulted in death from acute silicosis within a year or two after the single
period of exposure. But it really takes a lot of dust. There were some
fairly recent deaths like this among people who were sandblasting ceramic
electrical parts.
But lesser amounts of dust can be tolerated very well. We all get exposed
to
a small amount of silica, kaolin, and other inert minerals just on the dusty
roads of life. And every particle that gets down in our alveoli we carry
for
life. Its one of the reasons that people lose lung capacity with age.
This small amount of debris in the lung is fairly well tolerated. I never
suggest adding more if it can be helped. But if the school looks fairly
clean and the dust is not in obvious clouds, the amounts are probably quite
small.
Again, let me stress. This is if we are only concerned about mineral dust
exposure. If the problem you are having is an allergic reaction to sulfur
dioxide or some other allergen in the pottery, it is another matter.
=3E Thanks for any insight you can give. I have a new ceramics supply =
store
=3E opening and I'm selling safety equipment, but I would also like to have
=3E a better understanding of this for my customers. In other words, if I
=3E push for them to get =243000 worth of equipment, maybe they won't spend
=3E any and I've done them a disservice over at least urging them to get =
the
=3E minimum.
What kind of safety equipment? As far as I'm concerned, no amount of safety
equipment will make a home studio safe, especially if there are children in
the house. The air is shared with the studio and dusts will get tracked
into
living spaces.
A studio away from the house is really easy to make safe. It only needs
kiln
ventilation, a lot of good personal hygiene (to make sure dusts are not
taken
home on clothes, shoes, etc.), and daily wet mopping. Only if they do
things
like mixing glazes or clays from dry powders, sanding, spraying glazes, or
some such, will they need also a spray booth or special exhaust system. And
of course, the glazes can't be lead glazes.
Hope this helps.
Monona Rossol
ACTS
181 Thompson St., =23 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-062
ACTSNYC=40cs.com
Elke Blodgett on mon 20 dec 99
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:33:11 EST
From: ACTSNYC@cs.com
Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> -----------------
> Hello all,
> i received this week from France "Les maladies respiratoires
> d'origine professionnelle", published this year by Masson in Paris and
> in the chapter on "extrinsec allergic alveolotis" there is no such thing
> as this disease being related to exposure to clay or other ceramic raw
> materials even if exotic alveolitis such as vineyard workers'disease
> (Botrytis cenerea) and paprika workers'lung disease(Mucor stolonifa)
> are mentionned. 51 different types of alveolitis are described.
> Later,
> Edouard Bastarache
> edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
> http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
> -----Message d'origine-----
Unbelievable. You didn't read my post. Did the article you read tell you
how many types of alveolitis are caused by molds? And that's what I clearly
said was the cause of any allergic problems related to clay dust.
Obviously no one is allergic to inert mineral dusts. You didn't need an
article to tell you that. Sheesh.
Monona
ACTS
181 Thompson St., # 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
ACTSNYC@cs.com
Edouard Bastarache on tue 21 dec 99
------------------
Hello,
first of all, it is not an article but a chapter of a book whose title
can be translated as follows in my pidgin english:
=22Occupational pulmonary diseases=22
Secondly, not all cases of =22 extrinsic allergic alveolitis=22
are caused by molds=3B a few are caused by chemicals.
One exemple is =22acide carminique=22 used as a coloring
material in food and cosmetics.
My point was to warn potters that in this very up-to-date
book there was no information as to the presence of this
disease in relation to pottery-making.
=22Chiche=22 is the french word for Sheeeeesh.
Later :),
Edouard Bastarache
edouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/=7Eedouardb/
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Elke Blodgett =3Ceiblodge=40freenet.edmonton.ab.ca=3E
=C0 : CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
Date : 20 d=E9cembre, 1999 16:18
Objet : Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:33:11 EST
From: ACTSNYC=40cs.com
Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
=3E -----------------
=3E Hello all,
=3E i received this week from France =22Les maladies respiratoires
=3E d'origine professionnelle=22, published this year by Masson in Paris =
and
=3E in the chapter on =22extrinsec allergic alveolotis=22 there is no such =
thing
=3E as this disease being related to exposure to clay or other ceramic raw
=3E materials even if exotic alveolitis such as vineyard workers'disease
=3E (Botrytis cenerea) and paprika workers'lung disease(Mucor stolonifa)
=3E are mentionned. 51 different types of alveolitis are described.
=3E Later,
=3E Edouard Bastarache
=3E edouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca
=3E http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/=7Eedouardb/
=3E -----Message d'origine-----
Unbelievable. You didn't read my post. Did the article you read tell you
how many types of alveolitis are caused by molds? And that's what I clearly
said was the cause of any allergic problems related to clay dust.
Obviously no one is allergic to inert mineral dusts. You didn't need an
article to tell you that. Sheesh.
Monona
ACTS
181 Thompson St., =23 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
ACTSNYC=40cs.com
Edouard Bastarache on wed 22 dec 99
------------------
Hello,
By the way, there can be wheezing( noisy respiration)
in =22extrinsic allergic alveolitis=22 according to the same book=3B
mainly in =22farmers lungs' disease=22 and =22birds fanciers' disease=22.
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
edouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/=7Eedouardb/
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Elke Blodgett =3Ceiblodge=40freenet.edmonton.ab.ca=3E
=C0 : CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
Date : 20 d=E9cembre, 1999 16:18
Objet : Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:33:11 EST
From: ACTSNYC=40cs.com
Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
=3E -----------------
=3E Hello all,
=3E i received this week from France =22Les maladies respiratoires
=3E d'origine professionnelle=22, published this year by Masson in Paris =
and
=3E in the chapter on =22extrinsec allergic alveolotis=22 there is no such =
thing
=3E as this disease being related to exposure to clay or other ceramic raw
=3E materials even if exotic alveolitis such as vineyard workers'disease
=3E (Botrytis cenerea) and paprika workers'lung disease(Mucor stolonifa)
=3E are mentionned. 51 different types of alveolitis are described.
=3E Later,
=3E Edouard Bastarache
=3E edouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca
=3E http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/=7Eedouardb/
=3E -----Message d'origine-----
Unbelievable. You didn't read my post. Did the article you read tell you
how many types of alveolitis are caused by molds? And that's what I clearly
said was the cause of any allergic problems related to clay dust.
Obviously no one is allergic to inert mineral dusts. You didn't need an
article to tell you that. Sheesh.
Monona
ACTS
181 Thompson St., =23 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
ACTSNYC=40cs.com
John Rodgers on wed 22 dec 99
Alright Edouard and Monona!!!
Lets not get a professional war of the words going here...all comments have been
informative!!
John Rodgers
Birmingham, AL
Elke Blodgett wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:33:11 EST
> From: ACTSNYC@cs.com
> Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
>
> > -----------------
> > Hello all,
> > i received this week from France "Les maladies respiratoires
> > d'origine professionnelle", published this year by Masson in Paris and
> > in the chapter on "extrinsec allergic alveolotis" there is no such thing
> > as this disease being related to exposure to clay or other ceramic raw
> > materials even if exotic alveolitis such as vineyard workers'disease
> > (Botrytis cenerea) and paprika workers'lung disease(Mucor stolonifa)
> > are mentionned. 51 different types of alveolitis are described.
> > Later,
> > Edouard Bastarache
> > edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
> > http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
> > -----Message d'origine-----
>
> Unbelievable. You didn't read my post. Did the article you read tell you
> how many types of alveolitis are caused by molds? And that's what I clearly
> said was the cause of any allergic problems related to clay dust.
>
> Obviously no one is allergic to inert mineral dusts. You didn't need an
> article to tell you that. Sheesh.
>
> Monona
> ACTS
> 181 Thompson St., # 23
> NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
>
> ACTSNYC@cs.com
ACTSNYC@cs.com on thu 23 dec 99
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:51:36 EST
> From: Edouard Bastarache
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> Resent-Subject: Re: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello,
> By the way, there can be wheezing( noisy respiration)
> in "extrinsic allergic alveolitis" according to the same book;
> mainly in "farmers lungs' disease" and "birds fanciers' disease".
You know, that's really an annoying post. The implication you are making is
that I said there was no wheezing. But what happened was that the Clayarter
commented that she felt she couldn't get a breath. She never mentioned
wheezing, which she surely would have since this is a symptom that is hard to
ignore. So I assumed she didn't wheeze. I tried to make her understand that
no wheezing does not mean there's no problem. I did not say that wheezing
NEVER occurs with alveolitis.
I hope you listen to your patients better than you read.
Monona Rossol
ACTS
181 Thompson St., # 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
ACTSNYC@cs.com
Edouard Bastarache on fri 24 dec 99
------------------
I also worry a bit when you say you feel like you can't breathe. People who
have asthma make noises: they wheeze and it is obvious that they have
asthma.
But another lung disease called =22alveolitis=22 doesn't make any sounds and=
it
is just as devastating. The person just feels like they can't breathe.
What is that?
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
edouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/=7Eedouardb/
-----Message d'origine-----
De : ACTSNYC=40cs.com =3CACTSNYC=40cs.com=3E
=C0 : CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
Date : 23 d=E9cembre, 1999 13:48
Objet : Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
=3E----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E=3E
=3E=3E ---------- Forwarded message ----------
=3E=3E Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:51:36 EST
=3E=3E From: Edouard Bastarache =3Cedouardb=40sorel-tracy.qc.ca=3E
=3E=3E Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E=3E To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU
=3E=3E Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
=3E=3E Resent-Subject: Re: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
=3E=3E ----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E=3E Hello,
=3E=3E By the way, there can be wheezing( noisy respiration)
=3E=3E in =22extrinsic allergic alveolitis=22 according to the same book=3B
=3E=3E mainly in =22farmers lungs' disease=22 and =22birds fanciers' =
disease=22.
=3E
=3EYou know, that's really an annoying post. The implication you are making
is
=3Ethat I said there was no wheezing. But what happened was that the
Clayarter
=3Ecommented that she felt she couldn't get a breath. She never mentioned
=3Ewheezing, which she surely would have since this is a symptom that is =
hard
to
=3Eignore. So I assumed she didn't wheeze. I tried to make her understand
that
=3Eno wheezing does not mean there's no problem. I did not say that =
wheezing
=3ENEVER occurs with alveolitis.
=3E
=3EI hope you listen to your patients better than you read.
=3E
=3EMonona Rossol
=3EACTS
=3E181 Thompson St., =23 23
=3ENYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
=3E
=3EACTSNYC=40cs.com
ACTSNYC@cs.com on sat 25 dec 99
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:27:58 EST
> From: Edouard Bastarache
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> Resent-Subject: Re: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I also worry a bit when you say you feel like you can't breathe. People
who
> have asthma make noises: they wheeze and it is obvious that they have
> asthma.
> But another lung disease called "alveolitis" doesn't make any sounds and it
> is just as devastating. The person just feels like they can't breathe.
> What is that?
----------------------------
That is a statement that says alveolitis doesn't make any sounds which is
USUALLY the case. I didn't say people with the disease NEVER make a sound.
And what you said was:
> By the way, there can be wheezing( noisy respiration)
> in "extrinsic allergic alveolitis" according to the same book;
> mainly in "farmers lungs' disease" and "birds fanciers' disease".
And I don't think she has farmer's lung or bird fanciers' disease.
Sheesh again.
Monona
ACTS
181 Thompson St., # 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
ACTSNYC@cs.com
CINDI ANDERSON on sun 26 dec 99
Since I started this, I guess I should clarify.
There was a particular studio at a community college where as soon as I
walked in I could see the dust in the air, and felt that it made it
difficult for me to breathe. I wasn't in danger of fainting or
anything, wasn't wheezing, just didn't feel right, felt like I had to
breathe harder yet I was covering my mouth and trying not to breathe too
much because I knew the air was bad. I wanted to get out of there after
a few mintues and breathe some fresh air. I'm sure I was somewhat
influenced by how I had read it isn't good for you, but I also felt it
wasnt' comfortable and it didn't seem like a place I would be
comfortable in coming once or twice a week. But that created my
question of how much is too much for a non production potter. My friend
who goes there twice a week for 3 years didn't notice it at all. Is he
less sensitive, or just got used to it. Maybe the ventilation wasn't
working well that day in that studio, but maybe there was generally poor
ventilation and bad rules about sanding and the fact that the whole
place was lined with shelves and shelves of greenware and bisque pieces.
I have many sinus problems and sinus "sensitivities". I have had
surgery on my sinuses several times due to chronic infection, and many
of my sinus cavities have been opened up and all interconnect more. I
didn't' believe this has mpact but I thought I'd mention it incase it
does. I believe that I sneezed in this place. I have never had a known
"lung" problem including ashthma, but I did have pneumonia twice and
there are times when I feel like I can't get enough air. Like on
airplanes sometimes. My blood is slighly anemic which could account for
that.
At home I sand greenware as little as possible, bisque never, and I do
it in front of a powerful fan which vents to the outside. I find that
if I do that, I don't have any sense of breathing dust, but wondered if
I was fooling myself because the particulates that do the damage are the
ones that are too small to sense.
Edouard Bastarache wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> ------------------
> I also worry a bit when you say you feel like you can't breathe. People who
> have asthma make noises: they wheeze and it is obvious that they have
> asthma.
> But another lung disease called "alveolitis" doesn't make any sounds and it
> is just as devastating. The person just feels like they can't breathe.
>
> What is that?
>
> Later,
>
> Edouard Bastarache
> edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
> http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : ACTSNYC@cs.com
> @ : CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Date : 23 dicembre, 1999 13:48
> Objet : Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
>
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:51:36 EST
> >> From: Edouard Bastarache
> >> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> >> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> >> Resent-Subject: Re: Re: Monona Re: Art News Article (fwd)
> >> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >> Hello,
> >> By the way, there can be wheezing( noisy respiration)
> >> in "extrinsic allergic alveolitis" according to the same book;
> >> mainly in "farmers lungs' disease" and "birds fanciers' disease".
> >
> >You know, that's really an annoying post. The implication you are making
> is
> >that I said there was no wheezing. But what happened was that the
> Clayarter
> >commented that she felt she couldn't get a breath. She never mentioned
> >wheezing, which she surely would have since this is a symptom that is hard
> to
> >ignore. So I assumed she didn't wheeze. I tried to make her understand
> that
> >no wheezing does not mean there's no problem. I did not say that wheezing
> >NEVER occurs with alveolitis.
> >
> >I hope you listen to your patients better than you read.
> >
> >Monona Rossol
> >ACTS
> >181 Thompson St., # 23
> >NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
> >
> >ACTSNYC@cs.com
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