Alisa and Claus Clausen on wed 19 jan 00
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Dear Clayart
I am starting to work a bit with pclay and this what I found today.
Instead of using toilet paper, I got this 2 kilo bag of paper fiber.
It looks exactly like the stuffing inside a postal envelope. If you
mistakenly tear the envelope, you can see the paper insulation,
inbetween the outside brown paper.
I wetted down a tiny amount, ca. 100 grams and it became about
5 times the volume in the pail. Extremely dusty though and could
easily go puff all over. I squeezed and seived out the water and am
going to add it to slop tomorrow. I have heard a lot about toilet paper
being used. Wondering if someone over there has tried this sort of
paper fiber? It is already fun to work with, just the texture of the wet
pulp.
Regards,
Alisa in Denmark
Marcia Selsor on wed 19 jan 00
I use shredded newspaper packing-much less dusty. One may have to be
careful to remove any plastic labels. I love pclay. It makes life so
much easier, like lifting heaviy sculptures and patching cracks.
Marcia
Alisa and Claus Clausen wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> ------------------
> Dear Clayart
>
> I am starting to work a bit with pclay and this what I found today.
> Instead of using toilet paper, I got this 2 kilo bag of paper fiber.
> It looks exactly like the stuffing inside a postal envelope. If you
> mistakenly tear the envelope, you can see the paper insulation,
> inbetween the outside brown paper.
>
> I wetted down a tiny amount, ca. 100 grams and it became about
> 5 times the volume in the pail. Extremely dusty though and could
> easily go puff all over. I squeezed and seived out the water and am
> going to add it to slop tomorrow. I have heard a lot about toilet paper
> being used. Wondering if someone over there has tried this sort of
> paper fiber? It is already fun to work with, just the texture of the wet
> pulp.
>
> Regards,
> Alisa in Denmark
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Carolyn Nygren Curran on wed 19 jan 00
I think that toilet paper is often used because it breaks down so readily.
It's the only paper I can think of which is manufactured with that quality
in mind. CNC
Betty Morgavan on thu 20 jan 00
Alisa...
As I mentioned in my last response about paperclay, I am new to this
process also. But I have tried both toilet paper and cellulose insulation
for the paperpulp and liked the cellulose insulation much better. The
cellulose did not break down as much as the toilet paper did (in the
paperpulp-making process) and therefore made the paperclay more porous. If
you are trying to throw with the paperclay this would not be an advantage.
But for pressing into plaster molds, it was great. I was on a marathon
hand-making kick and could pop the clay out of the plaster hand molds
within 24 hours after pressing the paperclay into the molds. Also,
repairing broken fingers on the paperclay hands was much easier when the
clay was made with the cellulose. I also had more cracking (at stress
points) when I used the toilet paper paperclay, and both wet and dry
repairs were much more difficult with the toilet paper paperclay. I also
like the textured look of the cellulose paperclay. I used between 30 and
40% paper, by volume, in both paperclays.
So there you have it, my biased opinion.
Hope I was of some help.
Betty Morgavan
Greenhouse Manager
Central Michigan University
ButAt 02:05 PM 1/19/00 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>------------------
>Dear Clayart
>
>I am starting to work a bit with pclay and this what I found today.
>Instead of using toilet paper, I got this 2 kilo bag of paper fiber.
>It looks exactly like the stuffing inside a postal envelope. If you
>mistakenly tear the envelope, you can see the paper insulation,
>inbetween the outside brown paper.
>
>I wetted down a tiny amount, ca. 100 grams and it became about
>5 times the volume in the pail. Extremely dusty though and could
>easily go puff all over. I squeezed and seived out the water and am
>going to add it to slop tomorrow. I have heard a lot about toilet paper
>being used. Wondering if someone over there has tried this sort of
>paper fiber? It is already fun to work with, just the texture of the wet
>pulp.
>
>Regards,
>Alisa in Denmark
>
madwa on thu 20 jan 00
Good for you, Alisa!
I collected lots and lots of lint from the clothes dryer, which was just
great! I look out for anything organic/cotton-based, which can be easily
mulched.
Yours in Clay
Sharry Madden
from Sweet New Zealand
Fredrick Paget on thu 20 jan 00
Sounds like the stuff we use over here for blown-in house insulation.
There is borax in it or something similar to make it fire resistant. Better
proceed carefully to see what it does since borax is a flux that you don't
want in your clay. I'm not sure whather the boron compound used will wash
out easily.
Fred Paget
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>------------------
>Dear Clayart
>
>I am starting to work a bit with pclay and this what I found today.
>Instead of using toilet paper, I got this 2 kilo bag of paper fiber.
>It looks exactly like the stuffing inside a postal envelope. If you
>mistakenly tear the envelope, you can see the paper insulation,
>inbetween the outside brown paper.
>
>I wetted down a tiny amount, ca. 100 grams and it became about
>5 times the volume in the pail. Extremely dusty though and could
>easily go puff all over. I squeezed and seived out the water and am
>going to add it to slop tomorrow. I have heard a lot about toilet paper
>being used. Wondering if someone over there has tried this sort of
>paper fiber? It is already fun to work with, just the texture of the wet
>pulp.
>
>Regards,
>Alisa in Denmark
>From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
Tom Buck on fri 21 jan 00
Fred:
When I asked about this in 95 I was told by one chemical producer
that Turkish colemanite arrives by the shipload, and is refined to
high-grade calcium borate, which in turn goes to companies recycling old
newspaper into cellulose fibres for attic insulation (blown-in type). The
calcium borate is used in the form of a colloidal suspenion, often with an
inorganic binder, to coat the cellulose fibres, and make them
flame-resistant, fire-proof to a limited degree. The amount used
is up to 3 weight percent of calcium borate. However, some paper
insulation may also contain 0.5-1.0 wt% antimony oxide. The two chemicals
are quite insoluble, and so washing may be wheel-spinning.
As you noted, the presence of calcium borate and antimony oxide
may change the firing range of the paperclay.
til later. peace. Tom B.
Tom Buck ) tel: 905-389-2339
(westend Lake Ontario, province of Ontario, Canada).
mailing address: 373 East 43rd Street,
Hamilton ON L8T 3E1 Canada
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Fredrick Paget wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Sounds like the stuff we use over here for blown-in house insulation.
> There is borax in it or something similar to make it fire resistant. Better
> proceed carefully to see what it does since borax is a flux that you don't
> want in your clay. I'm not sure whather the boron compound used will wash
> out easily.
> Fred Paget
>
>
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >------------------
> >Dear Clayart
> >
> >I am starting to work a bit with pclay and this what I found today.
> >Instead of using toilet paper, I got this 2 kilo bag of paper fiber.
> >It looks exactly like the stuffing inside a postal envelope. If you
> >mistakenly tear the envelope, you can see the paper insulation,
> >inbetween the outside brown paper.
> >
> >I wetted down a tiny amount, ca. 100 grams and it became about
> >5 times the volume in the pail. Extremely dusty though and could
> >easily go puff all over. I squeezed and seived out the water and am
> >going to add it to slop tomorrow. I have heard a lot about toilet paper
> >being used. Wondering if someone over there has tried this sort of
> >paper fiber? It is already fun to work with, just the texture of the wet
> >pulp.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Alisa in Denmark
>
>
> >From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
>
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