Marcia Selsor on thu 27 jan 00
Does anyone realize that Clayart has more members than NCECA? As a past
Board member (1990) of NCECA, I think many people do not realize that it
is a very "unofficial " group. It is people like you and me who make up
the membership. It is not government sanctioned to exist. It exists
through volunteerism, mostly of educators because in past days their
home Universities helped to pay their way to meetings.Please don't
percieve NCECA to be an all powerful organization. It isn't. Somehow,
miraculously, the annual get-togethers occur because a dozen poeple or
so, spend a lot of time pulling things together. The beauty of NCECA is
the Board constantly changes -as does the location. NCECA offices may
consist of Minerva in NYC and Regina in Oregon. That's it. The rest is
in flux every year. There are beginning to be archives and libraries,
but not in any grandiose degree. If you come to NCECA, bring what ever
it is you have to contribute. It is the same as clayart in that regard.
Gleen from it what you can, and contribute as you like. That's it. I
doubt if NCECA has really made any decision on this at all. Whatever
board member had to scammble for discussion leaders for break out
sessions or had the charge to come up eith no more no less than 15 break
out groups, this topic was not deemed to be a populer as the above 14 or
15. It is not a conspiracy to keep a topic in the closet. It does seem
like a good topic. Maybe those in charge had limits to the amount of
good topics they were able to organize. Opinions and decision making are
subjective and belong to those assigned with this years' duties. If this
is a burningissue among some people, elect someone to the board and make
it happen in Charlotte next year. -simple as that. Nceca has
shortcomings as does everything else. BUT it is the only media specific
organization that openly shares all it has with its membership. My
colleague in sculpture is envious that there is not such an organization
in metal casting.Could the topic of glaze stability be handled in the
glaze doctor sessions? I think John should keep trying and suggest the
topic again. Sometimes the organizers adhere to their 'theme" such as
Higher Ground that they exclude relevant topics of interest because
theydon't jive with the organiozers perception of what they think they
are suppose to be organizing. I speak from experiemce on the board. Just
keep submitting proposals. NCECA needs its memberships'participation.
Looking forward to meeting Julie and John and others in the clayart room.
Marcia in Montana
Julie Pash wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi Ray,
> I must disagree with you that the subject of
> glaze stability is more important to studio potters than to
> educators. I think that this issue is just as important, if not
> more so, to educators.
>
> However, I do agree with your subject heading. What I think is going
> on here is that the NCECA officials are not concerned that there will
> be too little interest in the topic, but TOO MUCH interest. The dead
> giveaway is that they said that interest would be insufficient for even
> a break out group discussion. Come on.
>
> The real issue is that this would open up a can of worms that NCECA
> would rather not deal with. I can certainly understand their squeamishness.
> But that does not mean it is not the appropriate forum for this subject.
> NCECA is the closest thing we have to an official voice for the clay
> community. Just because the process would be difficult, does not mean that
> we should not, at least, start tackling this problem.
>
> This is a political hot potato that NCECA would rather leave in the
> hands of an unofficial body like clayart. The problem is that many potters
> do not read clayart. When you've been lurking on clayart as long as I
> have, it's easy to forget that! Out there in non-clayart-land what goes on
> here carries little weight. I've learned that from personal experience.
> Maybe, as time goes on, that will change.
>
> This is just another example of what a wonderful, incredible (please insert
> more superlatives here) resource this list is for the clay community. I doubt
> that even Joe and Richard could have envisioned all the different ways that
> clayart would become so invaluable.
>
> Thank you to the owners and contributors for donating so much of their
> time to this forum.
>
> Julie in Southern California, who is wondering whether she has enough
> nerve to hit the send key.....
>
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >John Hesselberth wrote:
> >
> >>P.S. As a side note to all Clayart members. I put in a proposal to
> >>present a paper on this general subject of glaze stability at NCECA.
> >>Even with good support from Louis Katz, Ron Roy and other Clayart
> >>members, it got rejected. Then I proposed to lead a discussion group on
> >>the subject. Got rejected a second time. Sigh. They said there would
> >>not be enough interest. Oh well, that means I'll get to attend NCECA
> >>with only the goals of soaking up as much as I can and meeting people-- I
> >>won't have to worry about doing any talking. That I'm looking forward to.
> >>
> >
> >This could hardly be a better example of the shortcomings of NCECA when it
> >comes to serving the needs of studio potters, as opposed to educators.
> >It's difficult to imagine a more important subject for working potters--
> >that NCECA didn't think so says a lot about their priorities-- and perhaps
> >about the priorities of their constituency.
> >
> >Another reason why studio potters need their own organization.
> >
> >Ray
> >
> >
> >Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
> >http://www.goodpots.com
> >
--
Marcia Selsor
selsor@imt.net
http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls
http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/spain99.html
http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
Joanne L. Van Bezooyen on fri 28 jan 00
Would it be possible for Clayart to host an international convention every coupl
years (I say every couple so we'd have more time to save up $ to go)? What woul
take to do it? E-mail makes the world a more intimate place.
J in T
Marcia Selsor wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Does anyone realize that Clayart has more members than NCECA? As a past
> Board member (1990) of NCECA, I think many people do not realize that it
> is a very "unofficial " group. It is people like you and me who make up
> the membership. It is not government sanctioned to exist. It exists
> through volunteerism, mostly of educators because in past days their
> home Universities helped to pay their way to meetings.Please don't
> percieve NCECA to be an all powerful organization. It isn't. Somehow,
> miraculously, the annual get-togethers occur because a dozen poeple or
> so, spend a lot of time pulling things together. The beauty of NCECA is
> the Board constantly changes -as does the location. NCECA offices may
> consist of Minerva in NYC and Regina in Oregon. That's it. The rest is
> in flux every year. There are beginning to be archives and libraries,
> but not in any grandiose degree. If you come to NCECA, bring what ever
> it is you have to contribute. It is the same as clayart in that regard.
> Gleen from it what you can, and contribute as you like. That's it. I
> doubt if NCECA has really made any decision on this at all. Whatever
> board member had to scammble for discussion leaders for break out
> sessions or had the charge to come up eith no more no less than 15 break
> out groups, this topic was not deemed to be a populer as the above 14 or
> 15. It is not a conspiracy to keep a topic in the closet. It does seem
> like a good topic. Maybe those in charge had limits to the amount of
> good topics they were able to organize. Opinions and decision making are
> subjective and belong to those assigned with this years' duties. If this
> is a burningissue among some people, elect someone to the board and make
> it happen in Charlotte next year. -simple as that. Nceca has
> shortcomings as does everything else. BUT it is the only media specific
> organization that openly shares all it has with its membership. My
> colleague in sculpture is envious that there is not such an organization
> in metal casting.Could the topic of glaze stability be handled in the
> glaze doctor sessions? I think John should keep trying and suggest the
> topic again. Sometimes the organizers adhere to their 'theme" such as
> Higher Ground that they exclude relevant topics of interest because
> theydon't jive with the organiozers perception of what they think they
> are suppose to be organizing. I speak from experiemce on the board. Just
> keep submitting proposals. NCECA needs its memberships'participation.
> Looking forward to meeting Julie and John and others in the clayart room.
> Marcia in Montana
>
> Julie Pash wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > Hi Ray,
> > I must disagree with you that the subject of
> > glaze stability is more important to studio potters than to
> > educators. I think that this issue is just as important, if not
> > more so, to educators.
> >
> > However, I do agree with your subject heading. What I think is going
> > on here is that the NCECA officials are not concerned that there will
> > be too little interest in the topic, but TOO MUCH interest. The dead
> > giveaway is that they said that interest would be insufficient for even
> > a break out group discussion. Come on.
> >
> > The real issue is that this would open up a can of worms that NCECA
> > would rather not deal with. I can certainly understand their squeamishness
> > But that does not mean it is not the appropriate forum for this subject.
> > NCECA is the closest thing we have to an official voice for the clay
> > community. Just because the process would be difficult, does not mean that
> > we should not, at least, start tackling this problem.
> >
> > This is a political hot potato that NCECA would rather leave in the
> > hands of an unofficial body like clayart. The problem is that many potters
> > do not read clayart. When you've been lurking on clayart as long as I
> > have, it's easy to forget that! Out there in non-clayart-land what goes on
> > here carries little weight. I've learned that from personal experience.
> > Maybe, as time goes on, that will change.
> >
> > This is just another example of what a wonderful, incredible (please inse
> > more superlatives here) resource this list is for the clay community. I dou
> > that even Joe and Richard could have envisioned all the different ways that
> > clayart would become so invaluable.
> >
> > Thank you to the owners and contributors for donating so much of their
> > time to this forum.
> >
> > Julie in Southern California, who is wondering whether she has enough
> > nerve to hit the send key.....
> >
> > >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > >John Hesselberth wrote:
> > >
> > >>P.S. As a side note to all Clayart members. I put in a proposal to
> > >>present a paper on this general subject of glaze stability at NCECA.
> > >>Even with good support from Louis Katz, Ron Roy and other Clayart
> > >>members, it got rejected. Then I proposed to lead a discussion group on
> > >>the subject. Got rejected a second time. Sigh. They said there would
> > >>not be enough interest. Oh well, that means I'll get to attend NCECA
> > >>with only the goals of soaking up as much as I can and meeting people-- I
> > >>won't have to worry about doing any talking. That I'm looking forward to.
> > >>
> > >
> > >This could hardly be a better example of the shortcomings of NCECA when it
> > >comes to serving the needs of studio potters, as opposed to educators.
> > >It's difficult to imagine a more important subject for working potters--
> > >that NCECA didn't think so says a lot about their priorities-- and perhaps
> > >about the priorities of their constituency.
> > >
> > >Another reason why studio potters need their own organization.
> > >
> > >Ray
> > >
> > >
> > >Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
> > >http://www.goodpots.com
> > >
>
> --
> Marcia Selsor
> selsor@imt.net
> http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls
> http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/spain99.html
> http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
Mike Gordon on fri 28 jan 00
Marcia,
It's very nice to see a breath of fresh air on the subject, and from
someone who knows the inside info.The last NCECA I attended was in San
Jose a long time ago. I think Pete Volkos, and John Mason, and the L.A.
gang were there.I wasn't a member of clayart then so didn't look up a
clayart room if it existed then. Sat in the bar room with Bob Brady and
John Battenburg drinking beer. You give good advise. Mike Gordon
Marcia Selsor on mon 31 jan 00
Just back from a weekend away. The Academy ofInternational Ceramicists
does excatly this. They are meeting in Germany at the end of August.ACI
is the International organization with that focus. NCECA was formed with
Canadian and US participants. It now attracts people from Europe, Asia,
and others places.but still is more US focused. There is no need to
reinvent the wheel with the AIC already having a long history.
Marcia
"Joanne L. Van Bezooyen" wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Would it be possible for Clayart to host an international convention every cou
> years (I say every couple so we'd have more time to save up $ to go)? What wo
> take to do it? E-mail makes the world a more intimate place.
> J in T
>
> Marcia Selsor wrote:
>
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > Does anyone realize that Clayart has more members than NCECA? As a past
> > Board member (1990) of NCECA, I think many people do not realize that it
> > is a very "unofficial " group. It is people like you and me who make up
> > the membership. It is not government sanctioned to exist. It exists
> > through volunteerism, mostly of educators because in past days their
> > home Universities helped to pay their way to meetings.Please don't
> > percieve NCECA to be an all powerful organization. It isn't. Somehow,
> > miraculously, the annual get-togethers occur because a dozen poeple or
> > so, spend a lot of time pulling things together. The beauty of NCECA is
> > the Board constantly changes -as does the location. NCECA offices may
> > consist of Minerva in NYC and Regina in Oregon. That's it. The rest is
> > in flux every year. There are beginning to be archives and libraries,
> > but not in any grandiose degree. If you come to NCECA, bring what ever
> > it is you have to contribute. It is the same as clayart in that regard.
> > Gleen from it what you can, and contribute as you like. That's it. I
> > doubt if NCECA has really made any decision on this at all. Whatever
> > board member had to scammble for discussion leaders for break out
> > sessions or had the charge to come up eith no more no less than 15 break
> > out groups, this topic was not deemed to be a populer as the above 14 or
> > 15. It is not a conspiracy to keep a topic in the closet. It does seem
> > like a good topic. Maybe those in charge had limits to the amount of
> > good topics they were able to organize. Opinions and decision making are
> > subjective and belong to those assigned with this years' duties. If this
> > is a burningissue among some people, elect someone to the board and make
> > it happen in Charlotte next year. -simple as that. Nceca has
> > shortcomings as does everything else. BUT it is the only media specific
> > organization that openly shares all it has with its membership. My
> > colleague in sculpture is envious that there is not such an organization
> > in metal casting.Could the topic of glaze stability be handled in the
> > glaze doctor sessions? I think John should keep trying and suggest the
> > topic again. Sometimes the organizers adhere to their 'theme" such as
> > Higher Ground that they exclude relevant topics of interest because
> > theydon't jive with the organiozers perception of what they think they
> > are suppose to be organizing. I speak from experiemce on the board. Just
> > keep submitting proposals. NCECA needs its memberships'participation.
> > Looking forward to meeting Julie and John and others in the clayart room.
> > Marcia in Montana
> >
> > Julie Pash wrote:
> > >
> > > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > > Hi Ray,
> > > I must disagree with you that the subject of
> > > glaze stability is more important to studio potters than to
> > > educators. I think that this issue is just as important, if not
> > > more so, to educators.
> > >
> > > However, I do agree with your subject heading. What I think is going
> > > on here is that the NCECA officials are not concerned that there will
> > > be too little interest in the topic, but TOO MUCH interest. The dead
> > > giveaway is that they said that interest would be insufficient for even
> > > a break out group discussion. Come on.
> > >
> > > The real issue is that this would open up a can of worms that NCECA
> > > would rather not deal with. I can certainly understand their squeamishne
> > > But that does not mean it is not the appropriate forum for this subject.
> > > NCECA is the closest thing we have to an official voice for the clay
> > > community. Just because the process would be difficult, does not mean tha
> > > we should not, at least, start tackling this problem.
> > >
> > > This is a political hot potato that NCECA would rather leave in the
> > > hands of an unofficial body like clayart. The problem is that many potters
> > > do not read clayart. When you've been lurking on clayart as long as I
> > > have, it's easy to forget that! Out there in non-clayart-land what goes o
> > > here carries little weight. I've learned that from personal experience.
> > > Maybe, as time goes on, that will change.
> > >
> > > This is just another example of what a wonderful, incredible (please in
> > > more superlatives here) resource this list is for the clay community. I d
> > > that even Joe and Richard could have envisioned all the different ways tha
> > > clayart would become so invaluable.
> > >
> > > Thank you to the owners and contributors for donating so much of their
> > > time to this forum.
> > >
> > > Julie in Southern California, who is wondering whether she has enough
> > > nerve to hit the send key.....
> > >
> > > >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > > >John Hesselberth wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>P.S. As a side note to all Clayart members. I put in a proposal to
> > > >>present a paper on this general subject of glaze stability at NCECA.
> > > >>Even with good support from Louis Katz, Ron Roy and other Clayart
> > > >>members, it got rejected. Then I proposed to lead a discussion group on
> > > >>the subject. Got rejected a second time. Sigh. They said there would
> > > >>not be enough interest. Oh well, that means I'll get to attend NCECA
> > > >>with only the goals of soaking up as much as I can and meeting people--
> > > >>won't have to worry about doing any talking. That I'm looking forward to
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >This could hardly be a better example of the shortcomings of NCECA when i
> > > >comes to serving the needs of studio potters, as opposed to educators.
> > > >It's difficult to imagine a more important subject for working potters--
> > > >that NCECA didn't think so says a lot about their priorities-- and perhap
> > > >about the priorities of their constituency.
> > > >
> > > >Another reason why studio potters need their own organization.
> > > >
> > > >Ray
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
> > > >http://www.goodpots.com
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Marcia Selsor
> > selsor@imt.net
> > http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls
> > http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/spain99.html
> > http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
--
Marcia Selsor
selsor@imt.net
http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls
http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/spain99.html
http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
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