Alisa and Claus Clausen on fri 4 feb 00
------------------
Sandra, Marcia and others using paperclay.
Perhaps with this header we can keep track of
experiences using paperclay, for us beginning to
work with it.
My normal thickness for drying slurry is approx. 3 inches.
With the paperclay, Marcia's idea of thinning out the layer
considerably works better. =CD could use the slurry from the
plaster board the next day. Very soft though. I did have a lot of
additional and constant heat in thestudio, due the kiln cooling down.
That was a good idea Marcia.
I threw mugs with the stoneware I use, and then attached handles with
the same body converted to paperclay. The mugs were very
leather hard. None of joints cracked, even where the clay was
=22swiped=22 very thin. I used both handles that were pulled first and
attached with two joints, and handles that were pulled on the cup
with one pressed joint on the bottom of the handle. They were all
equally sucessful in adhering.
Throwing the stoneware body with ca. 20=25 of the paper fiber pulp
was fine. I did note the clay seemed more open and airy. I trimmed
all the pots at a bit softer than leather hard. Although I could see
some of paper fiber as a sort of feathery edge on the trimmings,
my tools did not clog. I experienced no difficulties trimming.
Next step. Bisque firing and anxious to see surface and weight and
shrinkage.
At this stage, I think I will be a believer. Paperclay seems to have the
built in =22forgiveness=22 that my usual body does not. Have not
fired it yet, so I am not committed. But progress is good.
I am really happy about being able
to make attachments (handles) at any stage of dryness. The body shows no
difference in throwing as far getting weak from water absorption.
Trimming was exactly the same as the body without the paper.
The wet paper and clay have been in the buckets now for ca.
14 days with no smelling.
Marcia, I do not know what the climate is in Montona. Sounds cold in
the winters. I hope only it is not as wet as Denmark. They say here
that some years we have 2 winters, a white one and a green one.
Two summers ago, we had approximately 16 days of sunshine.
It is extremely damp most of the year round. I have been so
spoiled by the warmth of my kiln these last couple of days.
Best regards,
Alisa in Denmark
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) =3Csdwiggin=40exchange.nih.gov=3E
Til: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
Dato: 3. februar 2000 19:24
Emne: Re: Sv: Re: Paper Clay drying.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Marcia---I think that's the problem with mine---I put it on the batt too
thickly. What happens is the part touching the plaster sets up and then the=
top
is still gushy. I get kind of impatient, and don't have that many plaster =
bats.
Anyway---it does get dry eventually. I tried covering one of my cement =
garden
stools with canvas and then pouring a batch on it during the summer. It =
didn't
work well because the moisture didn't wick away for some reason.
Thanks,
Sandy
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcia Selsor =5BSMTP:selsor=40imt.net=5D
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 4:53 PM
To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Paper Clay drying.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I just made a small batch today and it dried to a workable consistency
in 15 minutes on the plaster batts. Montana is very dry but it can't be
that much drier than Denmark or can it be? I put thin amounts on the
plaster and peel it up. It is less than a centimeter thick when ready to
pull up.
Just curious as to how thick your wet clay is?
Marcia
Alisa and Claus Clausen wrote:
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E ------------------
=3E Hi Sandra and other paperclay users.
=3E
=3E I have made some progress with my paperclay slop.
=3E
=3E It was on the slab for a week, and I did turn it twice. But it was =
really so
=3E wet, I was not
=3E really turning anything, rather puting the other wet side down.
=3E
=3E Then I found a plastic pallet (spelling? to be used to under heavy =
boxes,
=3E etc.).
=3E I covered it with canvas and cut holes through it. The pallet has many =
holes
=3E it's overall top design. The clay on this covered pallet in combination=
with
=3E the
=3E heat from my kiln dried it well enough to wedge without sticking to the=
plast
=3E board.
=3E But, it is very wet and soft, good enough to throw.
=3E
=3E I threw some cylinder type forms. It throws just like the stoneware it =
is mad
=3E from,
=3E although as said it is very soft. However, I did see that it has a =
definitly
=3E different
=3E surface texture due to the paper. The clay seems almost airy, not air =
bubbles
=3E But
=3E aeroted (word?). Whipped maybe is a better description.
=3E
=3E The paper I used was paper fiber pulp, about 20 precent. I am anxious =
to see
=3E the
=3E texture after drying and bisquing. I am suscipious that it will be a =
very
=3E uneven surface.
=3E With that in mind, I am looking at paperclay more as a great new body =
for the
=3E slab work I do.
=3E Mostly wall clocks and slump molds. This could be a real plus for the =
clocks
=3E the paperclay
=3E weighs less.
=3E
=3E I am still quite curious an excited about this new creature. I am =
especically
=3E lured by it's
=3E ability to adhere at so many different states between wet and dry. I =
think
=3E paperclay's
=3E properties are going to open some very new work for me and I am looking =
forwar
=3E to
=3E getting a bit away from so much throwing.
=3E
=3E Alisa in Denmark
=3E My 1250c glaze firing only reached 1120c. Boo.
=3E But it was so great to work in the studio today
=3E with the door open, the sun shining, blowing like
=3E crazy and the absolute luxury of heat,
=3E lots and lots of it. (cooling down Dagny).
=3E -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
=3E Fra: Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) =3Csdwiggin=40exchange.nih.gov=3E
=3E Til: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E Dato: 31. januar 2000 20:51
=3E Emne: Re: Paper Clay
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E Alisa---
=3E You're comment about the delayed drying is very interesting. I =
experienced th
=3E same thing when I mixed up my own p-clay. I used toilet paper. I think=
I may
=3E have used too much. The stuff is not amenable to wedging. However, it =
has
=3E stayed damp and usable over several months, has withstood freezing, and =
I'm ab
=3E to join two pieces of it with no slip or vinegar, just pressure. It's =
amazing
=3E stuff=21 I had to force dry it after I made some stuff with it. I put=
it in t
=3E oven overnight. That usually works. Or I put it next to the radiator.
=3E
=3E I'm waiting to see what happens when it's bisqued. Bisque firing will =
be done
=3E this week.
=3E Sandy
=3E
=3E -----Original Message-----
=3E From: Alisa and Claus Clausen =5BSMTP:aliskin=40mail.dk=5D
=3E Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 2:42 PM
=3E To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU
=3E Subject: Sv: Paper Clay
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E ------------------
=3E The paper fiber I have is just that and very airy and dusty. It soaked =
up
=3E enormous amounts of
=3E water and easily was slaked into the clay slop. However, drying is now =
to be
=3E seen=21 After a week on the =22slab=22, it is almost as wet.. Firing =
up the kiln n
=3E so hoping there may be some extra heat in the workshop. The consistency=
now
=3E looks very promising (as far as clay and paper intergrated).
=3E
=3E Alisa in Denmark
=3E
=3E -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
=3E Fra: Erin Sherman =3Cerins2=40yahoo.com=3E
=3E Til: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E Dato: 22. januar 2000 22:32
=3E Emne: Paper Clay
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E I worked a little with paper clay a couple years ago.
=3E What I used for the paper component was cotton rag
=3E paper pulp. I bought it from a paper company in
=3E Minnesota or Wisconsin. You can either buy sheets of
=3E paper, and then make the pulp yourself (adding small
=3E pieces to warm water in a blender) or buy it pre-made
=3E in 5-gallon buckets. I don't know where you live, but
=3E perhaps you could find a company that makes paper.
=3E The clay resulting from this was a little lumpy and I
=3E wouldn't recommend it for throwing, but it had a very
=3E interesting texture.
=3E Good luck=21
=3E Erin Sherman
=3E in Bayonne, NJ
=3E =
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F3=
D5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
=3E Do You Yahoo=21?
=3E Talk to your friends online with Yahoo=21 Messenger.
=3E http://im.yahoo.com
--
Marcia Selsor
selsor=40imt.net
http://www.imt.net/=7Emjbmls
http://www.imt.net/=7Emjbmls/spain99.html
http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
Marcia Selsor on sat 5 feb 00
------------------
Montana is very dry. This winter we actually had a few days of ZERO
humidity. High humidity here is 30=25.
I sometimes make paper clay in a Soldner mixer. I do strain the pulp
first to know how much is there. Then I put it back into water in the
mixer and start adding clay. I do this for my horse plaques which have
increased in their survival rate from 50=25 to 90=25 with paper clay. I was
trying to see if I could pour the slabs without having to roll them, but
I like a slab roller better.
I also use it for terra cotta sculpture. It makes shipping charges
really affordable.AND paper clay is very forgiving.
Marcia Selsor
Alisa and Claus Clausen wrote:
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E ------------------
=3E Sandra, Marcia and others using paperclay.
=3E Perhaps with this header we can keep track of
=3E experiences using paperclay, for us beginning to
=3E work with it.
=3E
=3E My normal thickness for drying slurry is approx. 3 inches.
=3E With the paperclay, Marcia's idea of thinning out the layer
=3E considerably works better. =CD could use the slurry from the
=3E plaster board the next day. Very soft though. I did have a lot of
=3E additional and constant heat in thestudio, due the kiln cooling down.
=3E That was a good idea Marcia.
=3E
=3E I threw mugs with the stoneware I use, and then attached handles with
=3E the same body converted to paperclay. The mugs were very
=3E leather hard. None of joints cracked, even where the clay was
=3E =22swiped=22 very thin. I used both handles that were pulled first and
=3E attached with two joints, and handles that were pulled on the cup
=3E with one pressed joint on the bottom of the handle. They were all
=3E equally sucessful in adhering.
=3E
=3E Throwing the stoneware body with ca. 20=25 of the paper fiber pulp
=3E was fine. I did note the clay seemed more open and airy. I trimmed
=3E all the pots at a bit softer than leather hard. Although I could see
=3E some of paper fiber as a sort of feathery edge on the trimmings,
=3E my tools did not clog. I experienced no difficulties trimming.
=3E
=3E Next step. Bisque firing and anxious to see surface and weight and
=3E shrinkage.
=3E
=3E At this stage, I think I will be a believer. Paperclay seems to have =
the
=3E built in =22forgiveness=22 that my usual body does not. Have not
=3E fired it yet, so I am not committed. But progress is good.
=3E I am really happy about being able
=3E to make attachments (handles) at any stage of dryness. The body shows =
no
=3E difference in throwing as far getting weak from water absorption.
=3E Trimming was exactly the same as the body without the paper.
=3E
=3E The wet paper and clay have been in the buckets now for ca.
=3E 14 days with no smelling.
=3E
=3E Marcia, I do not know what the climate is in Montona. Sounds cold in
=3E the winters. I hope only it is not as wet as Denmark. They say here
=3E that some years we have 2 winters, a white one and a green one.
=3E Two summers ago, we had approximately 16 days of sunshine.
=3E It is extremely damp most of the year round. I have been so
=3E spoiled by the warmth of my kiln these last couple of days.
=3E
=3E Best regards,
=3E Alisa in Denmark
=3E
=3E -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
=3E Fra: Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) =3Csdwiggin=40exchange.nih.gov=3E
=3E Til: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E Dato: 3. februar 2000 19:24
=3E Emne: Re: Sv: Re: Paper Clay drying.
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E Marcia---I think that's the problem with mine---I put it on the batt too
=3E thickly. What happens is the part touching the plaster sets up and then=
the
top
=3E is still gushy. I get kind of impatient, and don't have that many =
plaster
bats.
=3E Anyway---it does get dry eventually. I tried covering one of my cement =
garden
=3E stools with canvas and then pouring a batch on it during the summer. It
didn't
=3E work well because the moisture didn't wick away for some reason.
=3E
=3E Thanks,
=3E Sandy
=3E
=3E -----Original Message-----
=3E From: Marcia Selsor =5BSMTP:selsor=40imt.net=5D
=3E Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 4:53 PM
=3E To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU
=3E Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Paper Clay drying.
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E I just made a small batch today and it dried to a workable consistency
=3E in 15 minutes on the plaster batts. Montana is very dry but it can't be
=3E that much drier than Denmark or can it be? I put thin amounts on the
=3E plaster and peel it up. It is less than a centimeter thick when ready to
=3E pull up.
=3E Just curious as to how thick your wet clay is?
=3E Marcia
=3E
=3E Alisa and Claus Clausen wrote:
=3E =3E
=3E =3E ----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E =3E ------------------
=3E =3E Hi Sandra and other paperclay users.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E I have made some progress with my paperclay slop.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E It was on the slab for a week, and I did turn it twice. But it was =
really
so
=3E =3E wet, I was not
=3E =3E really turning anything, rather puting the other wet side down.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Then I found a plastic pallet (spelling? to be used to under heavy =
boxes,
=3E =3E etc.).
=3E =3E I covered it with canvas and cut holes through it. The pallet has =
many
holes
=3E =3E it's overall top design. The clay on this covered pallet in =
combination
with
=3E =3E the
=3E =3E heat from my kiln dried it well enough to wedge without sticking to=
the
plast
=3E =3E board.
=3E =3E But, it is very wet and soft, good enough to throw.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E I threw some cylinder type forms. It throws just like the stoneware=
it is
mad
=3E =3E from,
=3E =3E although as said it is very soft. However, I did see that it has a
definitly
=3E =3E different
=3E =3E surface texture due to the paper. The clay seems almost airy, not =
air
bubbles
=3E =3E But
=3E =3E aeroted (word?). Whipped maybe is a better description.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E The paper I used was paper fiber pulp, about 20 precent. I am =
anxious to
see
=3E =3E the
=3E =3E texture after drying and bisquing. I am suscipious that it will be =
a very
=3E =3E uneven surface.
=3E =3E With that in mind, I am looking at paperclay more as a great new =
body for
the
=3E =3E slab work I do.
=3E =3E Mostly wall clocks and slump molds. This could be a real plus for =
the
clocks
=3E =3E the paperclay
=3E =3E weighs less.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E I am still quite curious an excited about this new creature. I am
especically
=3E =3E lured by it's
=3E =3E ability to adhere at so many different states between wet and dry. =
I
think
=3E =3E paperclay's
=3E =3E properties are going to open some very new work for me and I am =
looking
forwar
=3E =3E to
=3E =3E getting a bit away from so much throwing.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Alisa in Denmark
=3E =3E My 1250c glaze firing only reached 1120c. Boo.
=3E =3E But it was so great to work in the studio today
=3E =3E with the door open, the sun shining, blowing like
=3E =3E crazy and the absolute luxury of heat,
=3E =3E lots and lots of it. (cooling down Dagny).
=3E =3E -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
=3E =3E Fra: Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) =3Csdwiggin=40exchange.nih.gov=3E
=3E =3E Til: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E =3E Dato: 31. januar 2000 20:51
=3E =3E Emne: Re: Paper Clay
=3E =3E
=3E =3E ----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E =3E Alisa---
=3E =3E You're comment about the delayed drying is very interesting. I =
experienced
th
=3E =3E same thing when I mixed up my own p-clay. I used toilet paper. I =
think I
may
=3E =3E have used too much. The stuff is not amenable to wedging. However,=
it has
=3E =3E stayed damp and usable over several months, has withstood freezing, =
and I'm
ab
=3E =3E to join two pieces of it with no slip or vinegar, just pressure. =
It's
amazing
=3E =3E stuff=21 I had to force dry it after I made some stuff with it. I=
put it in
t
=3E =3E oven overnight. That usually works. Or I put it next to the =
radiator.
=3E =3E
=3E =3E I'm waiting to see what happens when it's bisqued. Bisque firing =
will be
done
=3E =3E this week.
=3E =3E Sandy
=3E =3E
=3E =3E -----Original Message-----
=3E =3E From: Alisa and Claus Clausen =5BSMTP:aliskin=40mail.dk=5D
=3E =3E Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 2:42 PM
=3E =3E To: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU
=3E =3E Subject: Sv: Paper Clay
=3E =3E
=3E =3E ----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E =3E ------------------
=3E =3E The paper fiber I have is just that and very airy and dusty. It =
soaked up
=3E =3E enormous amounts of
=3E =3E water and easily was slaked into the clay slop. However, drying is =
now to
be
=3E =3E seen=21 After a week on the =22slab=22, it is almost as wet.. =
Firing up the kiln
n
=3E =3E so hoping there may be some extra heat in the workshop. The =
consistency now
=3E =3E looks very promising (as far as clay and paper intergrated).
=3E =3E
=3E =3E Alisa in Denmark
=3E =3E
=3E =3E -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
=3E =3E Fra: Erin Sherman =3Cerins2=40yahoo.com=3E
=3E =3E Til: CLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU =3CCLAYART=40LSV.UKY.EDU=3E
=3E =3E Dato: 22. januar 2000 22:32
=3E =3E Emne: Paper Clay
=3E =3E
=3E =3E ----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E =3E I worked a little with paper clay a couple years ago.
=3E =3E What I used for the paper component was cotton rag
=3E =3E paper pulp. I bought it from a paper company in
=3E =3E Minnesota or Wisconsin. You can either buy sheets of
=3E =3E paper, and then make the pulp yourself (adding small
=3E =3E pieces to warm water in a blender) or buy it pre-made
=3E =3E in 5-gallon buckets. I don't know where you live, but
=3E =3E perhaps you could find a company that makes paper.
=3E =3E The clay resulting from this was a little lumpy and I
=3E =3E wouldn't recommend it for throwing, but it had a very
=3E =3E interesting texture.
=3E =3E Good luck=21
=3E =3E Erin Sherman
=3E =3E in Bayonne, NJ
=3E =3E =
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F3=
D5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
=3E =3E Do You Yahoo=21?
=3E =3E Talk to your friends online with Yahoo=21 Messenger.
=3E =3E http://im.yahoo.com
=3E
=3E --
=3E Marcia Selsor
=3E selsor=40imt.net
=3E http://www.imt.net/=7Emjbmls
=3E http://www.imt.net/=7Emjbmls/spain99.html
=3E http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
--
Marcia Selsor
selsor=40imt.net
http://www.imt.net/=7Emjbmls
http://www.imt.net/=7Emjbmls/spain99.html
http://www.silverhawk.com/ex99/selsor/welcome.html
Bobbi Bassett on thu 10 feb 00
Marcia......what percentage of paper to clay do you use? Also are you using
dry clay to add to the strained pulp?
Bobbi in PA
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