Nancy Jervey on mon 21 feb 00
I am using the following glaze:
F4 46.1
Frit 3124 13.5
Flint 19.7
dolomite 5.9
whiting 8.2
zinc 3.9
EPK 2.7
total 100
tin 5
zircopax 5
I am wondering if Majolica is only considered to be
a glaze technique if the pots are fired in low
temperatures and contain tin. I am using the above
glaze which has a considerable amounts of tin. I
fire this glaze to ^ 7or 8 in a oxidation atmosphere.
I decorate over the glaze with underglazes. Is this
considered majolica or is it to high fired to be
considered majolica. Thank you.
Nancy
Antoinette Badenhorst on tue 22 feb 00
Nancy I think you just started another matter to argue about. I refer to the
porcelain discussion a while ago. This is a good one.
I watched a program on the discovery channel a few days ago where a majolica
collector described true majolica. He said that one of the things to look at
when buying majolica, is the sound. It should have a dull sound.( because of
low firing) However he said one cannot always go by that, because some may
have a ring to it.
This is not my opinion of majolica. I think that the ceramic world is so
advanced that one cannot cast anything into a certain shape. However I think
for collectors sake this is important to know what is true majolica and what
not.
One will not fire to cone 10 with tin glaze and colorful designs and call it
majolica. To me majolica is bright colors on tin white glaze (and clay) and
mostly relief patterns. In other words the colors must make little pools
within the pattern. If no relief, it should have very bright colors with
crisp lines. On higher firings the design will blend.
It would be interesting to hear other comments.
Antoinette.
Donald Burroughs on tue 22 feb 00
Dear Nancy
If one wants to be dogmatic about these things then yes you are not
working in the Majolica or Faience tradition. However
creativity or working within parameters you are comfortable with re: ^7 or 8
is what is important. If in fact you can attain the same
richness and buttery qualities of the traditional glaze temp. then there is
no issue. My friend Paul Rozman who is well known for
his tin glaze majolica wares fires to ^3/4 as I remember and achieves
fantastic results. In fact, He may even be firing at higher
temp. currently, although I am not sure. Check out his web site at
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/mtopottery . Traditions should
grow with time and technology not remain static. There is a place for
purists and those who are on the edge (not simply for its
own sake, but to improve and/or add upon the beauty of a style, idea, etc.).
I would like to see this tin glaze you are working with.
I do not work in this manner. I'm just curious.
Regards, Donald Burroughs
Visit my web@
http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~donaldo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Jervey"
To:
Sent: February 21, 2000 3:22 PM
Subject: White Tin Glaze
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am using the following glaze:
> F4 46.1
> Frit 3124 13.5
> Flint 19.7
> dolomite 5.9
> whiting 8.2
> zinc 3.9
> EPK 2.7
> total 100
>
> tin 5
> zircopax 5
>
> I am wondering if Majolica is only considered to be
> a glaze technique if the pots are fired in low
> temperatures and contain tin. I am using the above
> glaze which has a considerable amounts of tin. I
> fire this glaze to ^ 7or 8 in a oxidation atmosphere.
> I decorate over the glaze with underglazes. Is this
> considered majolica or is it to high fired to be
> considered majolica. Thank you.
> Nancy
>
Marian Morris on tue 22 feb 00
I will speculate an answer. Traditionally, I believe that tin-glazed
majolica was done on earthenware, which is low-fire (usually 06-04,
sometimes 03 and 02). Much of the work which follows in that tradition today
is also low-fire work, and certainly not all of it contains tin, but does
contain opacifiers in the base glaze. There has been such a grand expansion
upon the traditions of tin-glazed pottery, that I think we wouldn't always
be able to say that this IS majolica and THAT isn't. What we might be able
to say is that you are doing work in the tradition of tin-glazed majolica,
but at higher temperature.
In my mind, there would be design issues that relate to classifying your
work as in the tradition of tin-glazed majolica, since there are
characteristic influences from its long and well-travelled history. Maybe
you should post an example, and see what others think.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:22:21 EST, Ceramic Arts Discussion List wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am using the following glaze:
> F4 46.1
> Frit 3124 13.5
> Flint 19.7
> dolomite 5.9
> whiting 8.2
> zinc 3.9
> EPK 2.7
> total 100
>
> tin 5
> zircopax 5
>
> I am wondering if Majolica is only considered to be
> a glaze technique if the pots are fired in low
> temperatures and contain tin. I am using the above
> glaze which has a considerable amounts of tin. I
> fire this glaze to ^ 7or 8 in a oxidation atmosphere.
> I decorate over the glaze with underglazes. Is this
> considered majolica or is it to high fired to be
> considered majolica. Thank you.
> Nancy
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Marcia Selsor on tue 22 feb 00
Tin-glaze in a traditional definition is low fired. I just got back from
the Tin Glaze symposium in Toronto. -great information and exhibition
curated by Matthias Ostermann, auther of The New Maoilica. Overglazes
made of stain and frit are used in tin glaze. Underglazes should not
show through a tin glaze which was originally developed to hide a sandy
or red clay and to imitate Porcelain -9th-10th Cent. Persia
Marcia in Montana
Nancy Jervey wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I am using the following glaze:
> F4 46.1
> Frit 3124 13.5
> Flint 19.7
> dolomite 5.9
> whiting 8.2
> zinc 3.9
> EPK 2.7
> total 100
>
> tin 5
> zircopax 5
>
> I am wondering if Majolica is only considered to be
> a glaze technique if the pots are fired in low
> temperatures and contain tin. I am using the above
> glaze which has a considerable amounts of tin. I
> fire this glaze to ^ 7or 8 in a oxidation atmosphere.
> I decorate over the glaze with underglazes. Is this
> considered majolica or is it to high fired to be
> considered majolica. Thank you.
> Nancy
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Gail Pasternack & Marty Cugelman on wed 23 feb 00
I have worked at cone 6 for many years and started doing majolica at cone 6
about 7 years ago. According to Daniel Rhodes book, Clay and Glazes for
the Potter page 259, "Glazes in any temperature range may be used for
majolica, but traditionally it was done on low-fired lead glazes."
It really doesn't matter to me what it is called--it's just the results that
I like. Usually, if I am asked if my work is majolica they are asking to
find out if the decoration is painted under or over the glaze not what
temperature it is fired to.
Gail
>
vince pitelka on wed 23 feb 00
> I am wondering if Majolica is only considered to be
> a glaze technique if the pots are fired in low
> temperatures and contain tin. I am using the above
> glaze which has a considerable amounts of tin. I
> fire this glaze to ^ 7or 8 in a oxidation atmosphere.
> I decorate over the glaze with underglazes. Is this
> considered majolica or is it to high fired to be
> considered majolica. Thank you.
> Nancy
Nancy -
I agree at least partly with Marian Morris. Your work can be considered to
be in the tradition of Maiolica. But it would not be correct to call it
Maiolica, because that work is always low-fired terracotta with a tin glaze.
It is academic today whether the glaze is opacified with tin or with a
zircon opacifier, but beyond that, a maiolica glaze preetty much has to be
low-fire. I am also of the school that thinks the correct term is maiolica,
rather than majolica. Majolica was the English misspelling of maiolica,
used by the English to refer to that wonderful Baroque era ware, tureens and
teapots and dinnerware representing cabages, chickens, and other vegetables
and barnyard animals. It is great stuff, but is in no way connected to
Italian maiolica. But now I am rambling . . . .
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Earl Brunner on wed 23 feb 00
Who cares what you call it, if you get good results, and you
like it and
like doing it, why should you care if it fits into someones
"category"? To
me personally, Majolica isn't just a process, but a
culturally specific
clay style. Anybody else using the style can say they make
things in or
after the majolica "style" but it's no more *true* majolica
than American
style raku is Japanese raku. So I fail to see what we are
getting our
dandruff up about. Make pots. Decorate pots.
Donald Burroughs wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Nancy
>
> If one wants to be dogmatic about these things then yes you are not
> working in the Majolica or Faience tradition. However
> creativity or working within parameters you are comfortable with re: ^7 or 8
> is what is important. If in fact you can attain the same
> richness and buttery qualities of the traditional glaze temp. then there is
> no issue. My friend Paul Rozman who is well known for
> his tin glaze majolica wares fires to ^3/4 as I remember and achieves
> fantastic results. In fact, He may even be firing at higher
> temp. currently, although I am not sure. Check out his web site at
> http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/mtopottery . Traditions should
> grow with time and technology not remain static. There is a place for
> purists and those who are on the edge (not simply for its
> own sake, but to improve and/or add upon the beauty of a style, idea, etc.).
> I would like to see this tin glaze you are working with.
> I do not work in this manner. I'm just curious.
>
> Regards, Donald Burroughs
> Visit my web@
> http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~donaldo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nancy Jervey"
> To:
> Sent: February 21, 2000 3:22 PM
> Subject: White Tin Glaze
>
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > I am using the following glaze:
> > F4 46.1
> > Frit 3124 13.5
> > Flint 19.7
> > dolomite 5.9
> > whiting 8.2
> > zinc 3.9
> > EPK 2.7
> > total 100
> >
> > tin 5
> > zircopax 5
> >
> > I am wondering if Majolica is only considered to be
> > a glaze technique if the pots are fired in low
> > temperatures and contain tin. I am using the above
> > glaze which has a considerable amounts of tin. I
> > fire this glaze to ^ 7or 8 in a oxidation atmosphere.
> > I decorate over the glaze with underglazes. Is this
> > considered majolica or is it to high fired to be
> > considered majolica. Thank you.
> > Nancy
> >
--
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http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
vince pitelka on thu 24 feb 00
> Anybody else using the style can say they make things in or
> after the majolica "style" but it's no more *true* majolica
> than American style raku is Japanese raku. So I fail to see what we are
> getting our dandruff up about. Make pots. Decorate pots.
Earl -
This is not an appropriate comparison. In the first place, Japanese raku is
not any one static thing. Hal Rieger and Paul Soldner adapted one
particular approach practiced by the Raku family and many other Japanese
artists, and changed it quite dramatically. Anyone working in a tin
opacified alkaline glaze on terracotta, with overglaze decoration, is
working with a technique very close to original maiolica. And it is
important for us to be able to label what we do, and to use the terminology
correctly. Let's not deny that.
I did not have the impression that anyone was getting their dandruff up,
whatever that means. Seemed to me a lively and interesting conversation -
the best kind.
And as for your final words, I'm with you 100%. "Make pots, decorate pots."
That's the best advice of all. One of my favorite lines for my students is
"When in doubt, make stuff."
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
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