J. Bennett on fri 3 mar 00
I read the following in an English translation of "Japanese Ceramics" by
Hideo Tagai: "There are crackle patterns in Koryo celadon, at which crazing
has formed in the glaze because of the differences in contraction between
the body and the glaze after firing. But these beautiful patterns have
formed in a clockwise direction due to the Korean potter's wheel being a
kick wheel which was kicked with the right foot, forms being made by turning
the wheel anti-clockwise. Since the Japanese potter's wheel is turned
clockwise by hand there are strains in the clay body due to formation on the
wheel, so when crazing can appear in the glaze of an article after complete
firing it seems to be in opposite directions for Korean and Japanese wares."
I am a docent at the Everson Museum in Syracuse, NY, where we have many fine
examples of both Korean and Japanese ceramics, but confess that I cannot
confirm this statement by examination of the museum pieces. Would anyone
care to comment?
Chris Cantello on sun 5 mar 00
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Sounds like a good line of bull. I have been doing pottery for 26 yr.
Studied with the best in the West and never heard of such a thing. The only
thing that would case the glaze to do this (maybe) is if there were big
finger marks or what we call throwing marks that go in the same direction
as the wheel is turning. I suppose if the glaze pooled in some finger marks
the cooling may cause the glaze to follow a path that could be called in
the direction of the wheel. I still think it=92s a stretch tho.Chris
David Hendley on sun 5 mar 00
I find the inference that crazing patterns are influenced by
the forming method that was used to make the piece very
interesting.
I have never before heard such a thesis, and have never
noticed this trait exhibited on pottery I have studied.
Can anyone offer any substantiation?
--
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
hendley@tyler.net
http://www.farmpots.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: J. Bennett
To:
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: ancient Japanese and Korean ceramics
| ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
| I read the following in an English translation of "Japanese Ceramics" by
| Hideo Tagai: "There are crackle patterns in Koryo celadon, at which
crazing
| has formed in the glaze because of the differences in contraction between
| the body and the glaze after firing. But these beautiful patterns have
| formed in a clockwise direction due to the Korean potter's wheel being a
| kick wheel which was kicked with the right foot, forms being made by
turning
| the wheel anti-clockwise. Since the Japanese potter's wheel is turned
| clockwise by hand there are strains in the clay body due to formation on
the
| wheel, so when crazing can appear in the glaze of an article after
complete
| firing it seems to be in opposite directions for Korean and Japanese
wares."
| I am a docent at the Everson Museum in Syracuse, NY, where we have many
fine
| examples of both Korean and Japanese ceramics, but confess that I cannot
| confirm this statement by examination of the museum pieces. Would anyone
| care to comment?
|
Pamala Browne on mon 6 mar 00
David --I have noticed different crackle patterns on white crackle raku pots
that I have handbuilt.I made handbuilt-only pottery for years and I know for
a fact that I got different crazing patterns at different stress points on
the shape of the vessel . Tight , small crackling at sharply angled
shoulders -- more vertical crackles on heavily worked lips in contrast to
large, wide-spaced crackles on the same piece on the body of the pot.Could
this be the same theory? I always assumed it was from the different stresses
that the clay went thru at the building stage , (contracting/expanding) Many
times I notice a really tight crackle pattern on the inside ofmy
wheel-thrown tall ,slender vases as opposed to wide crackle on the outside ,
again, I assumed it was the compression of the clay. Any other ideas people
?
I have been swamped with new job/kids science projects/purchasing a
wheel so I want to apologize for not answering the kind help you guys gave
me on wheel opinions -- it was really appreciated --you guys are great.I
plan on replying more personally asap. I got a Pacifica gt400 -- oooooh
baby ! pamalab
----- Original Message -----
From: David Hendley
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: ancient Japanese and Korean ceramics
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I find the inference that crazing patterns are influenced by
> the forming method that was used to make the piece very
> interesting.
> I have never before heard such a thesis, and have never
> noticed this trait exhibited on pottery I have studied.
> Can anyone offer any substantiation?
>
>
> --
> David Hendley
> Maydelle, Texas
> hendley@tyler.net
> http://www.farmpots.com/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J. Bennett
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:49 AM
> Subject: ancient Japanese and Korean ceramics
>
>
> | ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> | I read the following in an English translation of "Japanese Ceramics" by
> | Hideo Tagai: "There are crackle patterns in Koryo celadon, at which
> crazing
> | has formed in the glaze because of the differences in contraction
between
> | the body and the glaze after firing. But these beautiful patterns have
> | formed in a clockwise direction due to the Korean potter's wheel being a
> | kick wheel which was kicked with the right foot, forms being made by
> turning
> | the wheel anti-clockwise. Since the Japanese potter's wheel is turned
> | clockwise by hand there are strains in the clay body due to formation on
> the
> | wheel, so when crazing can appear in the glaze of an article after
> complete
> | firing it seems to be in opposite directions for Korean and Japanese
> wares."
> | I am a docent at the Everson Museum in Syracuse, NY, where we have many
> fine
> | examples of both Korean and Japanese ceramics, but confess that I cannot
> | confirm this statement by examination of the museum pieces. Would anyone
> | care to comment?
> |
HD on mon 6 mar 00
My sensei here in Japan was skeptical and will check out anything written
by Tagai san in Japanese. Dokou sensei says that different parts of Japan
kicked in different directions depending on whether they were influenced by
Korea or China...he had never heard of such a thing as kanyu (crackle)
patters being different.
Dan in Tokyyo
At 12:49 PM 03/03/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I read the following in an English translation of "Japanese Ceramics" by
>Hideo Tagai: "There are crackle patterns in Koryo celadon, at which crazing
>has formed in the glaze because of the differences in contraction between
>the body and the glaze after firing. But these beautiful patterns have
>formed in a clockwise direction due to the Korean potter's wheel being a
>kick wheel which was kicked with the right foot, forms being made by turning
>the wheel anti-clockwise. Since the Japanese potter's wheel is turned
>clockwise by hand there are strains in the clay body due to formation on the
>wheel, so when crazing can appear in the glaze of an article after complete
>firing it seems to be in opposite directions for Korean and Japanese wares."
>I am a docent at the Everson Museum in Syracuse, NY, where we have many fine
>examples of both Korean and Japanese ceramics, but confess that I cannot
>confirm this statement by examination of the museum pieces. Would anyone
>care to comment?
Daniel P. Considine, Ph.D.
Waseda University
102 Century Mansion
4-23-11 Irumagawa
Sayama City, Japan, 350-1305
Ph/Fax (81) 0429 54 2401
Cell (keitai) 0908 105 8750
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