jims@connect.ab.ca on wed 8 mar 00
Greetings,
Was wondering if anyone else on Clayart has been experiencing problems
with small Orton 06 cones? I purchased a box last November ...and the
first cone I used broke in the kiln sitter before reaching temperature.
Judging by the color in the kiln and time logged, I'm guessing it happened
at about cone 09 or 08. The cone didn't break cleanly, it appeared more as
a ragged tear ...as though someone pulled it apart. Must say that I've not
seen that happen before in all the years I've been firing. Anyhow, not
wanting to risk it again, I still had an older box of 06 cones to finish my
Christmas orders.
I'd mentioned the incident to a fellow potter in this city but they
hadn't experienced it until they recently purchased a new box of small 06
Orton cones. The same thing has now happened to them during their first
two firings with those cones. This now makes it three local potters I'm
aware of that this has happened to and was wondering if anyone else in
other locations have had the same thing occur lately?
When it first happened to me, I contacted my local supplier who in turn
contacted Orton. Was then told no one else has reported this problem.....
most curious indeed. *8)
Cheers... Jim
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jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
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j.d.walker on thu 9 mar 00
it has happened to me also, only with the 06 bars. Orton said it was my
mind, that there was nothing wrong with the cones, but a different
manufacture, and new cones solved the problem.
Jeff
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From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:41 PM
Subject: 06 cones breaking
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Greetings,
>
> Was wondering if anyone else on Clayart has been experiencing problems
> with small Orton 06 cones? I purchased a box last November ...and the
> first cone I used broke in the kiln sitter before reaching temperature.
> Judging by the color in the kiln and time logged, I'm guessing it happened
> at about cone 09 or 08. The cone didn't break cleanly, it appeared more
as
> a ragged tear ...as though someone pulled it apart. Must say that I've
not
> seen that happen before in all the years I've been firing. Anyhow, not
> wanting to risk it again, I still had an older box of 06 cones to finish
my
> Christmas orders.
> I'd mentioned the incident to a fellow potter in this city but they
> hadn't experienced it until they recently purchased a new box of small 06
> Orton cones. The same thing has now happened to them during their first
> two firings with those cones. This now makes it three local potters I'm
> aware of that this has happened to and was wondering if anyone else in
> other locations have had the same thing occur lately?
> When it first happened to me, I contacted my local supplier who in turn
> contacted Orton. Was then told no one else has reported this problem.....
> most curious indeed. *8)
>
>
> Cheers... Jim
>
>
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> jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
> http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
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candace vosburg on thu 9 mar 00
a funny thing that you mention that, i am an advanced student at hsu, and
have had much firing experience and have never had that happen intill this
morning. i was told by my instructor that it was due to misshandling of the
cones (dropped in shipping...or just dropped) and a hairline crack apears.
That just like with clay tendes to widen in the firing. because a cone is
basically a clay body that is desighned to melt at a certain temp, a small
crack terns to a big crack very quickly. thus the cone breaks.
candy
hope this helps
>From: jims@connect.ab.ca
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Subject: 06 cones breaking
>Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:41:08 EST
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Greetings,
>
> Was wondering if anyone else on Clayart has been experiencing problems
>with small Orton 06 cones? I purchased a box last November ...and the
>first cone I used broke in the kiln sitter before reaching temperature.
>Judging by the color in the kiln and time logged, I'm guessing it happened
>at about cone 09 or 08. The cone didn't break cleanly, it appeared more as
>a ragged tear ...as though someone pulled it apart. Must say that I've not
>seen that happen before in all the years I've been firing. Anyhow, not
>wanting to risk it again, I still had an older box of 06 cones to finish my
>Christmas orders.
> I'd mentioned the incident to a fellow potter in this city but they
>hadn't experienced it until they recently purchased a new box of small 06
>Orton cones. The same thing has now happened to them during their first
>two firings with those cones. This now makes it three local potters I'm
>aware of that this has happened to and was wondering if anyone else in
>other locations have had the same thing occur lately?
> When it first happened to me, I contacted my local supplier who in turn
>contacted Orton. Was then told no one else has reported this problem.....
>most curious indeed. *8)
>
>
>Cheers... Jim
>
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> jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
> http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
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Terrance Lazaroff on fri 10 mar 00
You didn't state if all three potters using the small cones were firing in
the same kiln?
Terrance Frank Lazaroff
St Hubert, Quebec, Canada
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Don & June MacDonald on fri 10 mar 00
So far, this problem seems to be a Canadian one??? I have also noticed
cones breaking, is it possible that the cones could have been subjected
to moisture or frost in transit to the frozen (ha-ha) north?
June
"j.d.walker" wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> it has happened to me also, only with the 06 bars. Orton said it was my
> mind, that there was nothing wrong with the cones, but a different
> manufacture, and new cones solved the problem.
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:41 PM
> Subject: 06 cones breaking
>
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Was wondering if anyone else on Clayart has been experiencing problems
> > with small Orton 06 cones? I purchased a box last November ...and the
> > first cone I used broke in the kiln sitter before reaching temperature.
> > Judging by the color in the kiln and time logged, I'm guessing it happened
> > at about cone 09 or 08. The cone didn't break cleanly, it appeared more
> as
> > a ragged tear ...as though someone pulled it apart. Must say that I've
> not
> > seen that happen before in all the years I've been firing. Anyhow, not
> > wanting to risk it again, I still had an older box of 06 cones to finish
> my
> > Christmas orders.
> > I'd mentioned the incident to a fellow potter in this city but they
> > hadn't experienced it until they recently purchased a new box of small 06
> > Orton cones. The same thing has now happened to them during their first
> > two firings with those cones. This now makes it three local potters I'm
> > aware of that this has happened to and was wondering if anyone else in
> > other locations have had the same thing occur lately?
> > When it first happened to me, I contacted my local supplier who in turn
> > contacted Orton. Was then told no one else has reported this problem.....
> > most curious indeed. *8)
> >
> >
> > Cheers... Jim
> >
> >
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~
> > jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
> > http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
> >
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~
> >
jims@connect.ab.ca on sat 11 mar 00
>You didn't state if all three potters using the small cones were firing in
>the same kiln?
>
>Terrance Frank Lazaroff
>St Hubert, Quebec, Canada
It was three different kilns in three different studios. Three different
boxes of newly purchased Orton small 06 cones ...most likely from the same
shipment to the local supplier where they were bought.
Cheers... Jim
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jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
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jims@connect.ab.ca on sat 11 mar 00
Hi,
>So far, this problem seems to be a Canadian one??? I have also noticed
>cones breaking, is it possible that the cones could have been subjected
>to moisture or frost in transit to the frozen (ha-ha) north?
>
>June
>
That thought occurred to me as well.
Aside from a possible faulty batch of cones, this was the only other
thing I could come up with which 'might' give the ragged pulled apart
appearance to the break. However, if this were the situation, I would
think at least some of the cones should have visible signs of fracturing
before going into the kiln ...or be too weak to be held in the sitter in
the first place.
If it was a clean break, I'd more likely suspect that a case of cones had
been dropped or badly jarred in transit ...that I've seen before.
It is a puzzle for sure.
Cheers... Jim
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jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
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Puddy & Co. on sat 11 mar 00
Hello there,
a few days ago I noticed the post about cones 06 breaking and decided to ignore
- finally, the problem is not that horrible - refire and hope the cone does not
break. Don and June MacDonald though noticed a regularity that caught my attenti
: I had several 06 bisque firings between November 1999 and February 2000 that
ended with broken cones and had to be repeated - luckily it was bisque only.The
box of cones was purchased sometime about early spring 1999. The funny thing is
I live in Ontario... Maybe we, Canadians, have problems installing our cones wit
our
frozen hands? But recent winters haven't been THAT cold...
Sincerely - Hanna Lewandowski, Auburn, Ontario
Don & June MacDonald wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> So far, this problem seems to be a Canadian one??? I have also noticed
> cones breaking, is it possible that the cones could have been subjected
> to moisture or frost in transit to the frozen (ha-ha) north?
>
> June
>
> "j.d.walker" wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > it has happened to me also, only with the 06 bars. Orton said it was my
> > mind, that there was nothing wrong with the cones, but a different
> > manufacture, and new cones solved the problem.
> >
> > Jeff
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:41 PM
> > Subject: 06 cones breaking
> >
> > > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Was wondering if anyone else on Clayart has been experiencing problems
> > > with small Orton 06 cones? I purchased a box last November ...and the
> > > first cone I used broke in the kiln sitter before reaching temperature.
> > > Judging by the color in the kiln and time logged, I'm guessing it happened
> > > at about cone 09 or 08. The cone didn't break cleanly, it appeared more
> > as
> > > a ragged tear ...as though someone pulled it apart. Must say that I've
> > not
> > > seen that happen before in all the years I've been firing. Anyhow, not
> > > wanting to risk it again, I still had an older box of 06 cones to finish
> > my
> > > Christmas orders.
> > > I'd mentioned the incident to a fellow potter in this city but they
> > > hadn't experienced it until they recently purchased a new box of small 06
> > > Orton cones. The same thing has now happened to them during their first
> > > two firings with those cones. This now makes it three local potters I'm
> > > aware of that this has happened to and was wondering if anyone else in
> > > other locations have had the same thing occur lately?
> > > When it first happened to me, I contacted my local supplier who in turn
> > > contacted Orton. Was then told no one else has reported this problem.....
> > > most curious indeed. *8)
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers... Jim
> > >
> > >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ~
> > > jims@connect.ab.ca Edmonton/Alberta/Canada
> > > http://www.connect.ab.ca/~jims/
> > >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ~
> > >
Gail Turton on sun 19 mar 00
same thing happened to me with paragon, my kiln melted down. they replaced
the board, and by magic, my problems were resolved. Gail
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